• AIPAC live?

    From mm@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 21 21:32:21 2016
    This

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?406949-102/republican-presidential-candidates-aipac-annual-conference

    Or this is labeled as a live feed from the AIPAC con

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11276204/donald-trump-aipac-how-to-watch

    Or here, according to the URL above, but I can't find it:

    http://www.policyconference.org/index.asp



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  • From Yisroel Markov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 16:42:21 2016
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:32:21 +0000 (UTC), mm <mm2005@bigfoot.com>
    said:


    This

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?406949-102/republican-presidential-candidates-aipac-annual-conference

    Or this is labeled as a live feed from the AIPAC con

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11276204/donald-trump-aipac-how-to-watch

    Much faster to read speeches than listen to them.

    All AIPAC speeches are proof positive that the Jewish lobby runs
    America, as evidenced by this Progressive comment: -------------------------------

    Critics Aghast at 'Disgusting Speech' Clinton Just Gave to AIPAC

    Democratic presidential candidate speech praises "everything that is
    bad about Israeli policy and U.S. imperialism"

    Palestinian and human rights advocates were aghast over remarks made
    by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton at the annual
    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) convention on Monday,
    saying that her speech represented "everything that is bad" with U.S. imperialism and policy in the Middle East. http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/21/critics-aghast-disgusting-speech-clinton-just-gave-aipac


    Here are the raw materials:

    Clinton speech:
    www.time.com/4265947/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-transcript/
    Trump speech:
    www.time.com/4267058/donald-trump-aipac-speech-transcript/

    Cruz and Kasich spoke too, but apparently no one bothered to
    transcribe. Here's a recap: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/21/trump-and-cruz-at-aipac/

    Sanders didn't speak at AIPAC:
    ------------------------------

    Though Bernie Sanders was the only presidential candidate credited for
    skipping the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
    convention in Washington, D.C. on Monday, he gave a speech on the
    campaign trail in Utah which he says is the same one he would have
    given to the powerful pro-Israel lobbyists and their allies if he had
    attended.

    Compared to the speeches given by Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and
    the remaining Republican candidates — Donald Trump, Gov. John Kasich,
    and Sen. Ted Cruz — Sanders embraced ideas otherwise missing,
    including: resuming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks; championing the
    nuclear deal between major powers and Iran as a positive development
    for both Israeli and regional security; making military options in the
    Middle East a last resort; and emphasizing the need to understand the legitimate needs of Palestinians in terms of human rights, equal
    treatment, and international law.

    Full article at http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/22/what-sanders-would-have-told-aipac-which-he-talked-about-palestinian-rights
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  • From mm@21:1/5 to ey.markov@MUNGiname.com on Tue Mar 22 19:12:53 2016
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:42:21 +0000 (UTC), Yisroel Markov <ey.markov@MUNGiname.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:32:21 +0000 (UTC), mm <mm2005@bigfoot.com>
    said:


    This
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?406949-102/republican-presidential-candidates-aipac-annual-conference

    Or this is labeled as a live feed from the AIPAC con

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11276204/donald-trump-aipac-how-to-watch

    Much faster to read speeches than listen to them.

    Maybe, but it omits tone of voice and audience reaction.

    However later, I happened to turn on C-Span radio for the final part
    of Hillary's speech and all of Joe Biden's. I liked them both,
    especially his.

    Even though he's not running for office anymore, he brought his wife, daughter-in-law, and two grandchildren with him on his trip to Israel
    a few days ago. The news mentioned that he was meeting with
    ??someone while a terrorist was stabbing people only a mile away, but
    it didnt' say that his family was only a half-mile away from the
    stabber, having dinner on the beach. Of course a half-mile is a long
    way, in a way, but it's close enough to cause one to think.

    I think I heard him at AIPAC last year too, or some previous year, but
    this year when I think he has nothing to gain, I didn't have my
    standard doubts about politicians' sincerity. Also because of other
    things he said. I wish he had run for Prez. I would have voted
    for him 8 years ago too. I said that then.

    BTW, he mentioned that there were 18,700 people at this year's
    conference. Wow!

    All AIPAC speeches are proof positive that the Jewish lobby runs
    America, as evidenced by this Progressive comment: >-------------------------------

    Critics Aghast at 'Disgusting Speech' Clinton Just Gave to AIPAC

    Democratic presidential candidate speech praises "everything that is
    bad about Israeli policy and U.S. imperialism"

    Their flaw is already apparent. To whatever extent it's true,
    Hillary's not in favor of US imperialism because of what Jews want.
    There have long been loads of Americans in favor of "US imperialism"
    and Jews had nothing to do with it. But for the same reasons,
    Americans support the American policies which are called that, they
    are not turned off by and even support Israel. Plus the US gets a
    lot from the Israel relationship.

    Palestinian and human rights advocates were aghast over remarks made

    I'm aghast that ... Oh, I misread it and thought it said Palestinian
    human rights advocates, and I wondered why none of them were
    complaining when Hamas etc. violated the rights of Israelis.

    But they are listed as two different groups, and I already know about
    the bias of the non-Arab "human rights advocates".

    by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton at the annual
    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) convention on Monday,
    saying that her speech represented "everything that is bad" with U.S. >imperialism and policy in the Middle East. >http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/21/critics-aghast-disgusting-speech-clinton-just-gave-aipac


    Here are the raw materials:

    Clinton speech:
    www.time.com/4265947/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-transcript/
    Trump speech:
    www.time.com/4267058/donald-trump-aipac-speech-transcript/

    Cruz and Kasich spoke too, but apparently no one bothered to
    transcribe. Here's a recap:

    I heard Kasich was going to speak, but later I think I heard he
    wasn't. ??

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/21/trump-and-cruz-at-aipac/

    Sanders didn't speak at AIPAC:
    ------------------------------

    Though Bernie Sanders was the only presidential candidate credited for

    I don't credit him for that.

    What does it mean? That he's ceding the Jewish Democratic vote to
    Hillary, it seems.

    skipping the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
    convention in Washington, D.C. on Monday, he gave a speech on the
    campaign trail in Utah which he says is the same one he would have
    given to the powerful pro-Israel lobbyists and their allies if he had >attended.

    I would have liked to have seen that.

    Compared to the speeches given by Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and
    the remaining Republican candidates — Donald Trump, Gov. John Kasich,
    and Sen. Ted Cruz — Sanders embraced ideas otherwise missing,
    including: resuming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks; championing the
    nuclear deal between major powers and Iran as a positive development
    for both Israeli and regional security;

    For all I know, it might have been true that the US could have gotten
    a better deal from Iran. But:

    a) it was too late to renegotiate after the deal had been made. All
    the demonstrations at that time, even the one i went to which must
    have had more than 1000 people, were for naught.

    b) if we got a bad deal, it doesn't say anthing bad about Pres.
    Obama's relationship to Israel. It's far more likely it just says
    something about his ability to negotiate. The relevant fact, that no
    reporter or pundit that I heard mentioned, is that Obama had been
    strongly criticized even in his first two years by Democrats
    themselves for not getting as good a deal as he should have from
    Republicans. When he was negotiating for the Democrats and himself,
    did anyone think he did not really support the Democrats and himself?

    That doesn't at all mean the blowhard trump would have gotten a better
    deal, despite his empty claims. Reporters asked him how he would
    build a wall against Mexico and he answered "I'd get the best people",
    which is other words for "I don't know."

    making military options in the
    Middle East a last resort; and emphasizing the need to understand the >legitimate needs of Palestinians in terms of human rights, equal
    treatment, and international law.

    Full article at >http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/22/what-sanders-would-have-told-aipac-which-he-talked-about-palestinian-rights


    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/aipac-trump-slams-obama-221081

    AIPAC president Lillian Pinkus read a statement from the stage on
    Tuesday to disavow Trump’s remarks. [the attacks on President Obama]

    “We say unequivocally that we do not countenance ad hominem attacks,
    and we take great offense to those that are levied against the United
    States of America from our stage,” Pinkus said. “While we may have
    policy differences, we deeply respect the office of the president of
    the United States and our president, Barack Obama.”

    She also castigated attendees who responded positively to Trump’s
    comments.

    “There are people in our AIPAC family who were deeply hurt last night,
    and for that, we are deeply sorry,” Pinkus said. “We are disappointed
    that so many people applauded a sentiment that we neither agree with
    or condone.”....

    "Trump’s speech at AIPAC put the group in an awkward position for many
    reasons. His harsh rhetoric has prompted consternation among American
    Jews, many of whom see echoes of Holocaust-era anti-Semitism in his
    attacks on Muslims and immigrants."

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  • From cindys@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 21:51:27 2016
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-4, mm wrote:
    snip

    Though Bernie Sanders was the only presidential candidate credited for skipping >> the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
    convention in Washington, D.C. on Monday

    I don't credit him for that.

    What does it mean? That he's ceding the Jewish Democratic vote to
    Hillary, it seems.

    I don't think that's necessarily what it means. He may have thought his time resources could be put to better use elsewhere. Or maybe he wanted to avoid a political quagmire because his feelings regarding Israel are equivocal.

    skipping the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
    convention in Washington, D.C. on Monday, he gave a speech on the
    campaign trail in Utah which he says is the same one he would have
    given to the powerful pro-Israel lobbyists and their allies if he had >attended.

    I would have liked to have seen that.

    Compared to the speeches given by Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and
    the remaining Republican candidates -- Donald Trump, Gov. John Kasich,
    and Sen. Ted Cruz -- Sanders embraced ideas otherwise missing,
    including: resuming Israeli-Palestinian peace talks; championing the >nuclear deal between major powers and Iran as a positive development
    for both Israeli and regional security;

    *and emphasizing the need to understand the legitimate needs of Palestinians in terms of human rights, equal treatment, and international law.*

    And what exactly does that mean? Just because Bernie Sanders is Jewish doesn't mean that he's intrinsically a big supporter of Israel. Years ago, he said "No guns for Israel," and I have read that his brother is a big BDS supporter in the UK. More than
    once, Bernie has expressed a desire to engage in more dialogue with Iran. At at least one debate, Hillary pointed out that he would be "putting Iran on Israel's doorstep," and Bernie countered with a statement that he saw engagement with Iran as an
    eventual, not immediate, goal.

    While I'm not asserting that Sanders is anti Israel, my impression is that he sees Israelis and Palestinians as being equally culpable for the problems in the Middle East (on the basis of the above statement, if nothing else). I just don't think he's
    particularly pro Israel.

    I have now watched the vast majority of all the Democratic (and Republican) debates, and I personally have never heard Bernie express any strong support for Israel, whereas I have heard Hillary, Cruz, and Rubio all express unequivocal strong support for
    Israel. Kasich, I can't recall, and Trump...well...If someone has heard Bernie express strong support for Israel, I would be happily open to correction on this point. A number of political analysts have identified Bernie as a relative isolationist and
    have stated that his isolationist approach is one characteristic he has in common with Donald Trump.
    Best regards,
    ---Cindy S.

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  • From SolomonW@21:1/5 to cindys on Wed Mar 23 12:34:00 2016
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 21:51:27 +0000 (UTC), cindys wrote:

    I have now watched the vast majority of all the Democratic (and Republican) debates, and I personally have never heard Bernie express any strong support for Israel, whereas I have heard Hillary, Cruz, and Rubio all express unequivocal strong support
    for Israel. Kasich, I can't recall, and Trump...well...If someone has heard Bernie express strong support for Israel, I would be happily open to correction on this point. A number of political analysts have identified Bernie as a relative isolationist
    and have stated that his isolationist approach is one characteristic he has in common with Donald Trump.
    Best regards,
    ---Cindy S.

    I have not been following so I cannot assess this article but it has a ring
    of truth to it.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/bernie-sanders-doesnt-talk-jewish/

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