• [Kishore Mahbubani] Is the world heading toward order or disorder?

    From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 05:41:02 2023
    https://arab.news/g736p

    "The next 10 years will be absolutely critical in shaping the world order of the 21st century. Why? World orders are the results of geopolitical shifts. And in the next decade, we will probably see the world’s greatest shifts of power since human
    history began. How the world navigates this decade will determine the nature of the world order that will emerge.

    As the world navigates the treacherous geopolitical terrain that lies down the road, we will have to deal with a major paradox. There is no question that it was the West, especially the US and Western Europe, that bequeathed the benign 1945 rules-based
    order that has generated so much human progress in the last eight decades, especially the past three decades. In theory, the West should take the lead in defining the future world order. In practice, it will not.

    The sad reality is that both the US and Europe are now truly lost. In the past, especially after their glorious victory in the Second World War, they represented the most confident and optimistic societies. Now they do not. Both the US and Europe are
    deeply troubled, internally and externally. Hence, both are making serious strategic mistakes. The goal of this essay is to help the US and Europe to craft wiser policies to deal with a vastly different world. This essay will also explain how they lost
    their way, in different ways.

    The US today has probably never been so divided internally, at least not since the civil war of the 1860s. Yet, despite these massive domestic divisions, American society is completely united on one geopolitical proposition: It is time for the US to
    stand up to China. Yet, what is shocking is that the US has launched this contest without first working out a strategy.

    Both the US and Europe are deeply troubled, internally and externally. Hence, both are making serious strategic mistakes.

    Kishore Mahbubani

    This is puzzling on several counts. The US still has the world’s best universities, the best-funded strategic think tanks, the globally most influential media. In short, it has the world’s largest strategic thinking industry. Yet, despite this,
    Washington is devoid of long-term strategic thinking, especially on China. Instead, a remarkable groupthink has enveloped it. The US is still the world’s most powerful country. It is also widely admired around the world. Indeed, I remain an admirer of
    American society and consider myself a friend. One of the obligations of friendship is to point out to a friend when they have lost their way.

    Many would doubt that the US has lost its way. Yet, it is America’s greatest living strategic thinker, Henry Kissinger, who personally confirmed to me twice that the US does not have a comprehensive long-term strategy to manage the return of China.
    There is also powerful evidence that supports this claim. A strategy is not an end in itself. It is a means to an end. Before the US can work out a strategy toward China, it first needs to specify what goals it hopes to accomplish. No such goals have
    ever been specified, despite the proliferation of “strategy” documents from key agencies in Washington. For example, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last May: “We’ll compete with China to defend our interests and build our vision for the
    future.” But Blinken does not specify what goals the US hopes to achieve in this “competition” with China.

    In theory, the US could have these goals: To stop the economic resurgence of China; to overthrow the Chinese Communist Party; or to isolate and contain China, as the US successfully did with the former Soviet Union. Yet, none of these goals are
    attainable.

    The economic resurgence of China is now unstoppable. Even though China is still the No. 2 economy, it now has a bigger retail goods market than the US. In 2010, the size of the US retail goods market was $4 trillion, more than double that of China at $1.
    8 trillion. Yet, by 2020, barely 10 years later, China’s had become bigger at $16 trillion, while the US was only at $5.5 trillion. Hence, by launching its “dual circulation” strategy, China can rely on both its domestic and external markets to
    continue growing. Contrary to the conventional wisdom in the Anglo-Saxon media, President Xi Jinping and his new team have not turned their backs on economic opening or reforms. Hence, China’s economic growth cannot be stopped.

    Similarly, the Chinese Communist Party cannot be overthrown in the way that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was. Unlike the Soviet population, the Chinese population has seen the best 30 years of social and economic development in 3,000 years of
    Chinese history. It would be irrational for the Chinese people to overthrow the party that has delivered so much prosperity and well-being to them. Hence, a serious academic study by the Harvard Kennedy School’s Ash Center showed that support for the
    central government among the Chinese population had grown from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016.

    Equally importantly, no policy of containment of China will work. China now does more international trade than the US. According to World Bank data, China’s total trade was $6.6 trillion in 2021, while America’s was $4.9 trillion. More than 120
    countries in the world do more trade with China than with the US. It would be irrational for any country to reduce its trade with China just to make Washington happy. Even a country as geographically close to the US as Brazil would have difficulty doing
    so, since its trade with China is now three times its trade with the US.

    If the strategic thinkers and policy planners in Washington could take a step back and critically reflect on their policies and actions toward China, they would see that none of them will seriously stop China, not even the latest technology war the US
    has launched. They should also understand that China’s resurgence is driven by a deeper historical trend: The longer cycles of ups and downs in Chinese history. China, the world’s oldest continuous civilization, is rediscovering its natural
    civilizational resilience. Curiously, most countries of the world can see this clearly. As a result, most countries are stepping up their links with China, responding positively to new initiatives by Beijing, like the Belt and Road Initiative. Indeed,
    more than 140 countries have voluntarily and willingly signed Belt and Road Initiative agreements with China.

    So, is there a wiser course for the US to take vis-a-vis China? Yes, there is. Bill Clinton spelled out such a wise strategy when he spoke at Yale in 2003, 20 years ago. He said that to prepare for a world in which the US would become No. 2, it should
    strengthen multilateral rules and norms, institutions and processes. Clinton clearly implied that this would be the best way to constrain China when it became No. 1.
    ..."

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 09:38:04 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:41:03 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    https://arab.news/g736p

    "The next 10 years will be absolutely critical in shaping the world order of the 21st century. Why? World orders are the results of geopolitical shifts. And in the next decade, we will probably see the world’s greatest shifts of power since human
    history began. How the world navigates this decade will determine the nature of the world order that will emerge.

    As the world navigates the treacherous geopolitical terrain that lies down the road, we will have to deal with a major paradox. There is no question that it was the West, especially the US and Western Europe, that bequeathed the benign 1945 rules-based
    order that has generated so much human progress in the last eight decades, especially the past three decades. In theory, the West should take the lead in defining the future world order. In practice, it will not.

    The sad reality is that both the US and Europe are now truly lost. In the past, especially after their glorious victory in the Second World War, they represented the most confident and optimistic societies. Now they do not. Both the US and Europe are
    deeply troubled, internally and externally. Hence, both are making serious strategic mistakes. The goal of this essay is to help the US and Europe to craft wiser policies to deal with a vastly different world. This essay will also explain how they lost
    their way, in different ways.

    The US today has probably never been so divided internally, at least not since the civil war of the 1860s. Yet, despite these massive domestic divisions, American society is completely united on one geopolitical proposition: It is time for the US to
    stand up to China. Yet, what is shocking is that the US has launched this contest without first working out a strategy.

    Both the US and Europe are deeply troubled, internally and externally. Hence, both are making serious strategic mistakes.

    Kishore Mahbubani

    This is puzzling on several counts. The US still has the world’s best universities, the best-funded strategic think tanks, the globally most influential media. In short, it has the world’s largest strategic thinking industry. Yet, despite this,
    Washington is devoid of long-term strategic thinking, especially on China. Instead, a remarkable groupthink has enveloped it. The US is still the world’s most powerful country. It is also widely admired around the world. Indeed, I remain an admirer of
    American society and consider myself a friend. One of the obligations of friendship is to point out to a friend when they have lost their way.

    Many would doubt that the US has lost its way. Yet, it is America’s greatest living strategic thinker, Henry Kissinger, who personally confirmed to me twice that the US does not have a comprehensive long-term strategy to manage the return of China.
    There is also powerful evidence that supports this claim. A strategy is not an end in itself. It is a means to an end. Before the US can work out a strategy toward China, it first needs to specify what goals it hopes to accomplish. No such goals have
    ever been specified, despite the proliferation of “strategy” documents from key agencies in Washington. For example, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last May: “We’ll compete with China to defend our interests and build our vision for the
    future.” But Blinken does not specify what goals the US hopes to achieve in this “competition” with China.

    In theory, the US could have these goals: To stop the economic resurgence of China; to overthrow the Chinese Communist Party; or to isolate and contain China, as the US successfully did with the former Soviet Union. Yet, none of these goals are
    attainable.

    The economic resurgence of China is now unstoppable. Even though China is still the No. 2 economy, it now has a bigger retail goods market than the US. In 2010, the size of the US retail goods market was $4 trillion, more than double that of China at $
    1.8 trillion. Yet, by 2020, barely 10 years later, China’s had become bigger at $16 trillion, while the US was only at $5.5 trillion. Hence, by launching its “dual circulation” strategy, China can rely on both its domestic and external markets to
    continue growing. Contrary to the conventional wisdom in the Anglo-Saxon media, President Xi Jinping and his new team have not turned their backs on economic opening or reforms. Hence, China’s economic growth cannot be stopped.

    Similarly, the Chinese Communist Party cannot be overthrown in the way that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was. Unlike the Soviet population, the Chinese population has seen the best 30 years of social and economic development in 3,000 years
    of Chinese history. It would be irrational for the Chinese people to overthrow the party that has delivered so much prosperity and well-being to them. Hence, a serious academic study by the Harvard Kennedy School’s Ash Center showed that support for
    the central government among the Chinese population had grown from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016.

    Equally importantly, no policy of containment of China will work. China now does more international trade than the US. According to World Bank data, China’s total trade was $6.6 trillion in 2021, while America’s was $4.9 trillion. More than 120
    countries in the world do more trade with China than with the US. It would be irrational for any country to reduce its trade with China just to make Washington happy. Even a country as geographically close to the US as Brazil would have difficulty doing
    so, since its trade with China is now three times its trade with the US.

    If the strategic thinkers and policy planners in Washington could take a step back and critically reflect on their policies and actions toward China, they would see that none of them will seriously stop China, not even the latest technology war the US
    has launched. They should also understand that China’s resurgence is driven by a deeper historical trend: The longer cycles of ups and downs in Chinese history. China, the world’s oldest continuous civilization, is rediscovering its natural
    civilizational resilience. Curiously, most countries of the world can see this clearly. As a result, most countries are stepping up their links with China, responding positively to new initiatives by Beijing, like the Belt and Road Initiative. Indeed,
    more than 140 countries have voluntarily and willingly signed Belt and Road Initiative agreements with China.

    So, is there a wiser course for the US to take vis-a-vis China? Yes, there is. Bill Clinton spelled out such a wise strategy when he spoke at Yale in 2003, 20 years ago. He said that to prepare for a world in which the US would become No. 2, it should
    strengthen multilateral rules and norms, institutions and processes. Clinton clearly implied that this would be the best way to constrain China when it became No. 1.
    ..."

    There is change already and there will be changed in the coming years. However, nobody would care nor bother to US anymore. They has seen how US and allies cheated and manipulated world.

    Now they see and saw and hence they hated US and their allies ganging together to block the rising China. Many countries would follow their path to be with China.

    As shown, more countries are joining China-led in the BRIC and Shanghai Cooperation Organization( SCO ). Hopefully, US and allies will come to their senses and
    will not .

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to stoney on Fri Feb 10 06:16:05 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 5:38:05 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:41:03 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    https://arab.news/g736p

    "The next 10 years will be absolutely critical in shaping the world order of the 21st century. Why? World orders are the results of geopolitical shifts. And in the next decade, we will probably see the world’s greatest shifts of power since human
    history began. How the world navigates this decade will determine the nature of the world order that will emerge.

    As the world navigates the treacherous geopolitical terrain that lies down the road, we will have to deal with a major paradox. There is no question that it was the West, especially the US and Western Europe, that bequeathed the benign 1945 rules-
    based order that has generated so much human progress in the last eight decades, especially the past three decades. In theory, the West should take the lead in defining the future world order. In practice, it will not.

    The sad reality is that both the US and Europe are now truly lost. In the past, especially after their glorious victory in the Second World War, they represented the most confident and optimistic societies. Now they do not. Both the US and Europe are
    deeply troubled, internally and externally. Hence, both are making serious strategic mistakes. The goal of this essay is to help the US and Europe to craft wiser policies to deal with a vastly different world. This essay will also explain how they lost
    their way, in different ways.

    The US today has probably never been so divided internally, at least not since the civil war of the 1860s. Yet, despite these massive domestic divisions, American society is completely united on one geopolitical proposition: It is time for the US to
    stand up to China. Yet, what is shocking is that the US has launched this contest without first working out a strategy.

    Both the US and Europe are deeply troubled, internally and externally. Hence, both are making serious strategic mistakes.

    Kishore Mahbubani

    This is puzzling on several counts. The US still has the world’s best universities, the best-funded strategic think tanks, the globally most influential media. In short, it has the world’s largest strategic thinking industry. Yet, despite this,
    Washington is devoid of long-term strategic thinking, especially on China. Instead, a remarkable groupthink has enveloped it. The US is still the world’s most powerful country. It is also widely admired around the world. Indeed, I remain an admirer of
    American society and consider myself a friend. One of the obligations of friendship is to point out to a friend when they have lost their way.

    Many would doubt that the US has lost its way. Yet, it is America’s greatest living strategic thinker, Henry Kissinger, who personally confirmed to me twice that the US does not have a comprehensive long-term strategy to manage the return of China.
    There is also powerful evidence that supports this claim. A strategy is not an end in itself. It is a means to an end. Before the US can work out a strategy toward China, it first needs to specify what goals it hopes to accomplish. No such goals have
    ever been specified, despite the proliferation of “strategy” documents from key agencies in Washington. For example, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last May: “We’ll compete with China to defend our interests and build our vision for the
    future.” But Blinken does not specify what goals the US hopes to achieve in this “competition” with China.

    In theory, the US could have these goals: To stop the economic resurgence of China; to overthrow the Chinese Communist Party; or to isolate and contain China, as the US successfully did with the former Soviet Union. Yet, none of these goals are
    attainable.

    The economic resurgence of China is now unstoppable. Even though China is still the No. 2 economy, it now has a bigger retail goods market than the US. In 2010, the size of the US retail goods market was $4 trillion, more than double that of China at
    $1.8 trillion. Yet, by 2020, barely 10 years later, China’s had become bigger at $16 trillion, while the US was only at $5.5 trillion. Hence, by launching its “dual circulation” strategy, China can rely on both its domestic and external markets to
    continue growing. Contrary to the conventional wisdom in the Anglo-Saxon media, President Xi Jinping and his new team have not turned their backs on economic opening or reforms. Hence, China’s economic growth cannot be stopped.

    Similarly, the Chinese Communist Party cannot be overthrown in the way that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was. Unlike the Soviet population, the Chinese population has seen the best 30 years of social and economic development in 3,000 years
    of Chinese history. It would be irrational for the Chinese people to overthrow the party that has delivered so much prosperity and well-being to them. Hence, a serious academic study by the Harvard Kennedy School’s Ash Center showed that support for
    the central government among the Chinese population had grown from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016.

    Equally importantly, no policy of containment of China will work. China now does more international trade than the US. According to World Bank data, China’s total trade was $6.6 trillion in 2021, while America’s was $4.9 trillion. More than 120
    countries in the world do more trade with China than with the US. It would be irrational for any country to reduce its trade with China just to make Washington happy. Even a country as geographically close to the US as Brazil would have difficulty doing
    so, since its trade with China is now three times its trade with the US.

    If the strategic thinkers and policy planners in Washington could take a step back and critically reflect on their policies and actions toward China, they would see that none of them will seriously stop China, not even the latest technology war the
    US has launched. They should also understand that China’s resurgence is driven by a deeper historical trend: The longer cycles of ups and downs in Chinese history. China, the world’s oldest continuous civilization, is rediscovering its natural
    civilizational resilience. Curiously, most countries of the world can see this clearly. As a result, most countries are stepping up their links with China, responding positively to new initiatives by Beijing, like the Belt and Road Initiative. Indeed,
    more than 140 countries have voluntarily and willingly signed Belt and Road Initiative agreements with China.

    So, is there a wiser course for the US to take vis-a-vis China? Yes, there is. Bill Clinton spelled out such a wise strategy when he spoke at Yale in 2003, 20 years ago. He said that to prepare for a world in which the US would become No. 2, it
    should strengthen multilateral rules and norms, institutions and processes. Clinton clearly implied that this would be the best way to constrain China when it became No. 1.
    ..."
    There is change already and there will be changed in the coming years. However, nobody would care nor bother to US anymore. They has seen how US and allies cheated and manipulated world.

    Now they see and saw and hence they hated US and their allies ganging together to block the rising China. Many countries would follow their path to be with China.

    As shown, more countries are joining China-led in the BRIC and Shanghai Cooperation Organization( SCO ). Hopefully, US and allies will come to their senses and
    will not .

    Is it realistic for the US to prepare itself to become No.2 any time soon and without any internally
    and/or externally inflicted disasters?
    Chinese civilizational resilience? Whatever it is, it would be tested mercilessly to the utmost.

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