• More of my philosophy about philosophy about the meaning of human life

    From Amine Moulay Ramdane@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 29 15:30:02 2023
    Hello,



    More of my philosophy about philosophy about the meaning of human life and life and more of my thoughts..

    I am a white arab from Morocco, and i think i am smart since i have also invented many scalable algorithms and algorithms..


    I think i am a smart philosopher, so i have to explain more
    what i have just said, and here is what i have just said:

    "So in the philosophy of Existentialism, the philosophers Jean-Paul Sartre and Albert Camus said that the meaning of human life must be constructed through courageous choice in the face of this absurd situation of life, and this kind of choice cannot be
    understood as achieving moral certainty; rather it is moral heroism within an essentially morally vague and chaotic world, but i think i am a philosopher and i say that the way of constructing the meaning of the philosophers Jean-Paul Sartre Sartre and
    Albert Camus is not logical, since i say that the engine that is able to construct the meaning of human life can not come from the absurd situation of life and the fact that they want to use courage as an engine that constructs the
    meaning is a weak way of doing it, since the absurd situation of life is so strong."


    So i think i am a smart philosopher and i will explain my above thoughts, so when i say above:

    "The philosophers Jean-Paul Sartre and Albert Camus said that the meaning of human life must be constructed through courageous choice in the face of this absurd situation of life."


    So what it means, it is what i say in french: Le sens de la vie est en devenir, mais le sens de la vie n'existe pas, et il faut s'appuyer sur le courage pour le construire, so what means the above thoughts of Jean-Paul Sartre and Albert Camus is that the
    meaning of human life doesn't exist, but the meaning of human life must be constructed through courageous choice in the face of this absurd situation of life, but i am saying as a smart philosopher that it is the defect of philosophy, since i think that
    meaning of human life or life comes from the idea of God and having faith in God as i am explaining it in my below thoughts, since human life and life is full of imperfections and full of defects and full of problems, so you have to understand it deeeply
    so that to know what is the problem with the conception of western countries or such, so read my below thoughts of my philosophy so that to understand my views and how i am proving that there is no meaning of human life or life by talking about nihilism
    below:

    More of my philosophy of how i am a highly smart prophet from God and more of my thoughts..


    Notice carefully below how i am logically proving the fallibility of the Qur'aan, and it is in accordance with the ideas of my new monotheistic religion, since my new monotheistic religion says below that
    the prophet Muhammad has been enhanced to a certain level by God so that
    he writes the Qur'aan, but you are understanding that this certain level
    means that the Qur'aan is fallible as i am proving it below, since it contains many many defects since it also comes from the curse from God, so then you have to follow your new prophet from God that is me that is coming to you with his new monotheistic
    religion that i think is smart, and notice carefully that i am saying that i am your new prophet from God that is here so that to reduce much more the curse from God, and this reducing much more the curse from God also means that my new monotheistic
    religion comes with the right flexibility and the right tolerance since i think that it is smart. So read carefully all my following thoughts so that to understand my views as a smart philosopher and as a new prophet from God:


    More of my philosophy of is Islam compatible with the West and more of my thoughts..

    I think i am a smart philosopher, and I think i am highly smart since I have passed two certified IQ tests and i have scored "above" 115 IQ, and i mean that i have scored "above" 115 IQ, and now i will invite you to look at the following important video
    about is Islam compatible with the West:

    How France Became the Muslim World's Most Hated Country in the West

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_l0n_kc_Fc


    So i think that the above video is not smart for me, since i am highly smart, so i will ask a philosophical question of:

    Is Islam compatible with the West or with France or with Israel ?


    And here is my answer that says that Islam is compatible with the West,
    so read it carefully so that to understand "true" Islam:


    More of my philosophy about Islam and salafism and more of my thoughts..

    I think i am highly smart, and i am a new prophet from God, and i am not
    a salafist, and i think it is easy for me to explain why salafism is not the correct way of doing, so the first thing to logically prove of why salafism is not the right way, is to logically prove the fallibility of the Qur'aan, and i am doing it below
    by showing how the Qur'aan is not timeless and how for example Qur'aan has wanted God to be the most powerful God and how this way of doing becomes a weakness that makes Qur'aan not timeless, read about it in my below thoughts, so then here is what i
    have said about Islam so that you notice how salafism is not the right way to do:


    What is Islam ?

    I think i am a smart new prophet from God, and i will say that there is two types of laws of God, there is the timeless ones and not the timeless ones, and i am explaining it to you below so that you understand it, so the most important timeless laws of
    God are those of: Believing in God and glorifying him and praying him and fear him and ask him for help, and from those timeless laws you can also derive the other human laws that are not timeless, also when you look at my below new monotheistic religion
    you will notice that it is the same but i am also deriving the laws of God from the nature and essence of God, read below about my new monotheistic religion so that you understand that it is smart.


    And now more of my philosophy about Salafism and more..

    I am your new prophet from God, and as you have just noticed that i have
    just explained to you the two types of Islamic laws so that you
    understand that there is Islamic laws from the Qur'an that are not timeless(read below about them), and here is more logical proof from my following thoughts about Salafism:

    So i will first invite you to look at the following video about Salafism
    in Europe:

    Bosnia-Hercegovina: Islamists in Sarajevo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9oeSAoD6iU

    So as you are noticing in the above video, that it shows islamists
    Salafists in Bosnia-Hercegovina, but the most important question is the following:

    Is Salafism true Islam ?

    I think i am a smart prophet from God, and i will answer the question as
    the following:

    First we have to ask if the Qur'an is timeless ?

    So my smart answer is the following:

    The Qur'an is not timeless because read the following verse of
    the Qur'an:

    Quranic verse 5:38: "As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her
    hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and
    Allah is Exalted in power."

    So if you are smart you will notice that the above verse of the Qur'an
    shows that the Qur'an is not timeless, since how can you imagine that
    the Qur'an doesn't enumerate the cases where we can be compassion on a
    thief and not cut his hands? so since it doesn't enumerate the cases, so
    then you are noticing that this verse of the Qur'an shows that the verse
    is not a timeless law, but it is a law that was applied in the context
    of the time where prophet Muhammad was living or such context, so then
    we can logically infer that the Qur'an is not timeless and then we can
    say that we can enhance many the laws of the Qur'an, so then Salafism is
    not true Islam since it says that the Qur'an and the laws of the Qur'an
    are timeless.

    I am your new prophet from God, and i invite you to look at the
    following video:

    A lady listens to lecture on Islam, then challenged me: 'Why is the
    Shariah Law so Barbaric?'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1tplpm24CA

    So as you notice that the lady asked why in Islam the Shariah Law is so Barbaric, and i think she is not understanding as muslims are not understanding, but i am your new prophet from God and i am explaining
    the following so that you understand:

    In Islam there is two types of Islamic laws, and here they are:

    1- The first kind of Islamic laws are laws that respect
    the divinity of God, so we have to follow them since we have to
    to glorify and respect the divinity of God, such as doing the prayers
    etc..

    2- Second kind of Islamic laws are laws related to society of humans or
    order in a society of humans, so we have to follow those laws not
    because we respect or glorify the divinity of God, but because we
    follow those Islamic laws so that not to be disorder in a society, so
    those kind of Islamic laws are not timeless and they depend on the
    context, so then they can change.

    I will give you a quick example so that you understand correctly:

    For example the Islamic laws of cutting the hand of a thief or the laws
    of killing the married women that practice adultery and such Islamic
    laws are of the second kind of laws above, since those laws avoid to the society to become disorder, so then they are not timeless and they can
    change, and i think that in the today context those laws
    are not necessary and we can change them. And it is the same
    for being gay, so we have to look at the being gay from the societal
    point of view, so then the Islamic laws that rules the being gay are
    of the second kind of laws above, so then i think that we can allow
    the gays to marry between them, since it doesn't cause a disorder in a
    society.

    More of my philosophy about gays in Islam..

    I am your new prophet from God, and i think i am smart, so i invite you
    to look at the following video about gays in Islam:

    CAN I BE GAY & A MUSLIM? - FASTEST REPLY ON YOUTBE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sRTzaTuaIA

    I am noticing that the above video is saying that being gay including
    the practice of being gay is haram in Islam, that means it is forbiden
    in Islam, and i think that this sort of Islam is not right, and i am
    your new prophet from God and i will explain to you Islam so that you understand:

    In Islam there is two types of Islamic laws, and here they are:

    1- The first kind of Islamic laws are laws that respect
    the divinity of God, so we have to follow them since we have to
    to glorify and respect the divinity of God, such as doing the prayers
    etc..

    2- Second kind of Islamic laws are laws related to society of humans or
    order in a society of humans, so we have to follow those laws not
    because we respect or glorify the divinity of God, but because we
    follow those Islamic laws so that not to be disorder in a society, so
    those kind of Islamic laws are not timeless and they depend on the
    context, so then they can change.

    I will give you a quick example so that you understand correctly:

    For example the Islamic laws of cutting the hand of a thief or the laws
    of killing the married women that practice adultery and such Islamic
    laws are of the second kind of laws above, since those laws avoid to the society to become disorder, so then they are not timeless and they can
    change, and i think that in the today context those laws
    are not necessary and we can change them. And it is the same
    for being gay, so we have to look at the being gay from the societal
    point of view, so then the Islamic laws that rules the being gay are
    of the second kind of laws above, so then i think that we can allow
    the gays to marry between them, since it doesn't cause a disorder in a
    society.

    More of my philosophy about Taliban and Islam..

    I invite you to look at the following new video about Taliban:

    Millions of desperate Afghans flee Taliban country ruled by war

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJnn2KLXw4

    I am your new prophet from God and you can read carefully about my new monotheistic religion in my thoughts below, and i have just noticed in
    the video above that a seignor minister in the Taliban government is
    talking to a white European journalist, but i have just noticed that he
    is not well educated, so i don't think that Taliban are following the
    rules of Islam since they are not well educated or correctly educated,
    second, in Islam you have first to be Islamic democracy so that
    to have different point views of Islamic political parties with less or
    more perfect ideas that permit Islam to advance correctly, so look for
    example at Islamic Iran, In Iran it is an Islamic democracy with
    different islamic political parties and with an islamic guide that we
    call Sayyid Ali Hosseini
    Khamenei(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei), so then Islamic
    Iran is a better Islamic governance than Taliban that is dictatorship,
    third, i also say that in Islam you have to know how to strengthen the
    faith in God, since without faith in God there is no muslim, so then you
    have to distinguish between the weak faith and the strong faith, since a
    weak faith in God can not be called a muslim, so then certain laws of
    Islam don't apply to humans that have a weak faith in God, so i say that
    before applying those certain laws of Islam to a human, you have to ask
    the human if he has a weak faith in God so that to distinguish and say
    that he is not a muslim, and then certain laws don't apply to him.

    More of my philosophy about the practices of the monotheistic religions and more of my thoughts..


    I think i am a smart philosopher, and i invite you to look at the following interesting video about Islam:

    Islamic Center in Thailand

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhcDL48damg



    So i think from what you are noticing in the above video, that the Islamic philosophy is also smart, since notice carefully the why
    it has to build Islamic mosques and Islamic centers like the above one
    in Thailand, so i think that the Islamic mosques and Islamic centers
    permit to unify the souls of muslims in a kind of way that is also psychological, since it unifies them in a way that "energizes" the muslim in a positive way that gives him a meaning of human life or life that permits him to transcend the everyday
    problems of life , so it is why i say that the laws of my new monotheistic religion are the master laws that i think are efficient as i am explaining it in my below thoughts, since they, of course, permit you to construct mosques and centers like Islam
    is doing it, so that to do a prayer to Allah and a dhikr to Allah(dhikr is a ritual prayer or litany practiced by Muslim mystics (Sufis) for the purpose of glorifying God and achieving spiritual perfection) etc., since notice that i have also said the
    following:

    More of my philosophy about the practices of my new monotheistic religion and more of my thoughts..

    So as you notice from my thoughts below, that the practices of my new monotheistic religion can also be logically inferred, since my new monotheistic religion doesn't speak about constructing mosques or churches , but you can still construct mosques or
    churches and you can still read the Qur'aan or the Bible and be curious about them, and the other practices can be inferred from the laws and rules of my new monotheistic religion.


    More of my philosophy about the conception of the souls from God of
    my new monotheistic religion and more of my thoughts..


    So i think i am a smart philosopher, and i say that the "conception" of my new monotheistic religion is that God has put the souls from God in the bodies of humans , but God has not created the bodies of humans and he has not created the universe, so i
    think that Adam and Eve and there
    descendants over this earth were imprisoned as "souls" from God in bodies of humans because of the curse from God. So this conception is good since it is the souls from God that unifies humans in a kind of way, and of course God can give you a soul after
    your death and he can enhance the soul after the death. So i think that the basis of my new monotheistic religion is complete, and i will of course write an efficient book about it that will be enhanced much more. So i invite you to read about my
    philosophy about the meaning of human life or life and
    about my new monotheistic religion in my below thoughts, and notice
    that i have just corrected a little typo, so i invite you to reread
    carefully my following thoughts:

    More of my philosophy about science and about my new monotheistic religion and more of my thoughts..


    I think i am a smart philosopher, and i have just looked at some articles that says that the Qur'aan and the Bible say that the earth is flat, and they say that the Qur'aan and the Bible are not scientific, so i think that saying so is not smart, since
    my new monotheistic religion says that God has cursed Adam and Eve and there descendants since he is greatly arrogant, and not only that, but he has also cursed the Bible and the Qur'aan since he is greatly arrogant, so then you are noticing that the
    Bible and the Qur'aan contain scientific errors and such errors that are interpreted by humans as errors, but i say that those scientific errors and such errors are part of the curse from God, i mean that my new monotheistic religion says prophet
    Muhammad was enhanced by God to a certain level so that he can write the Qur'aan, but you have to accept the scientific errors and such errors that you are interpreting as errors in the Qur'aan and the Bible as a curse from God, so then you have to take
    a look at my new monotheistic religion so that you understand, so read my following thoughts:


    More of my philosophy about the necessity of the transcendence that creates the meaning of human life or life and more of my thoughts..


    I think i am a smart philosopher, and i say that the meaning of human life or life doesn't come from human life or life, since human life or life is full of imperfections and full of problems, so the way how we have to create the meaning of human life is
    the way of transcending human life or life by for example having faith in "God", so the meaning of human life or life comes from God, and read in my below thoughts how i am explaining the way of having faith in God in my new monotheistic religion, and
    not only that, but this meaning of human life has to come with laws and rules, so i say that you have to know that the laws of my new monotheistic religion are like the "master" laws, and i say that those master laws of my new monotheistic religion are
    like a guard rail or like a framework of the other laws that are created by humans or such, since the master laws of my new monotheistic religion are here so that to "guide" or so that to guide humans or so that to guide the other laws in the good way,
    since they are the master laws, and hence you are noticing how i have become convinced that without this kind of guard rail , it will not work, and notice how the laws of my new monotheistic religion are not rigid laws that make a monotheistic religion
    rigid and not efficient, and notice how i am logically inferring or logically deriving them from the nature of God or the essence of God, so then you have to take a look carefully at the laws of my new monotheistic religion that i think are smart, so
    read my below thoughts so that to understand my philosophy about the meaning of human life or life and so that to understand my new monotheistic religion:


    More precision of my philosophy of is the monotheistic religions a kind of philosophy and more of my thoughts..

    I think i am a smart philosopher, and you have just noticed that i have
    just given my philosophy about the meaning of human life or life by talking about nihilism, read it in my below thoughts, and now i will ask a philosophical question of:

    Is a monotheistic religion like Islam a kind of philosophy like the philosophy of the german philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche ?


    So i think that Islam is a kind of philosophy like the philosophy of the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, since first you can notice that Islam has been constructed by the understanding of the why we have to have a meaning of human life, and secondly,
    the meaning of human life of Islam has been constructed in a kind of sophisticated way of thinking so that to make follow this meaning of human life of Islam, so then i say that we have not to be naive and think that Islam is just a simplistic way of
    thinking, since i think that i am a smart philosopher that understand that the meaning of human life has to be constructed in a kind of sophisticated way of thinking as i am doing it in my below thoughts, so i am a smart philosopher that is not in
    accordance with german philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche on the subject of religion, since the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche thought that the monotheistic religions like Islam and Christianism and Judaism are corrupt morality since they reverses certain
    or some human values, or like we say in french, elles inversent certaines valeurs humaines, but i think that the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche has not thought correctly about the advantages and disadvantages of this way of creating the meaning of
    previous monotheistic religions, since the big advantage of them is also the fact that they have created a meaning of human life, but of course you have to understand my way of creating the meaning of human life or life by quickly inventing and bringing
    to you my new monotheistic religion that i think is "smart", but of course you have to understand why we have to create the meaning of human life in a such way as i am doing it, since
    i think that the problematic is that we are not equal humans and we are diversity of humans and we are competition between humans, so it is
    why this causes a lot of problems and it causes a lot of violence, so there is the way of the welfare state like has done France or communist China by making life more easier for humans, but i think that this way of doing of the welfare state has not
    worked correctly, and there is the way of the wanting to being rich in capitalism, but this way of doing has not worked correctly, and i say that the ways of the welfare state and the of the being rich have not worked correctly since life is life with
    all its problems as i am explaining it above, so i think that what remains to be done is to create the meaning of human life as i am doing it so that to avoid violence and disorder such as i am explaining it in my philosophy below about the meaning of
    human life and about nihilism. So read my previous thoughts:

    More of my philosophy about the meaning of human life and about my new monotheistic religion and more of my thoughts..


    So i think when you think about what kind of "civilization" we have to have , i think that the meaning of human life or life takes a great
    importance, so it is why i will still talk about it, so i think that
    the you have to understand my way of creating the meaning of human life or life by taking a look at the 99 names of Allah in Islam, i think that one name from the 99 names of of Allah that is Al-Mutakabbir in arabic that means Arrogant, since i think we
    can notice from the behavior of God that he is greatly arrogant, since he has or he is not even helping the poor or the weak humans or animals, so how can we "reconcile" the fact the God is greatly "arrogant" with the other 99 names like the being "
    Merciful", so i think that God is greatly arrogant and he want to be called the Merciful and the Beautiful and such beautiful names even if he is greatly arrogant, so then you are noticing that if you don't think Allah as being greatly arrogant and you
    just say that he is so powerful and greatly perfect or perfect, it will cause a logical contradiction, since if he is just so powerful and greatly prefect or perfect , so then he can self-improve and be compassion with humans and he can also not curse
    the descendants of Adam and Eve, so it is why my new monotheistic religion says the following:


    More of my philosophy about the nature of God and more of my thoughts..

    So i think i am smart, and i think i have to explain more the fact that
    my new monotheistic religion says that God is greatly arrogant and it is his character, so how can we believe that God is greatly arrogant since he is so perfect and he can self-improve ? so i think that the mistake of this logic is that you are thinking
    that God is like humans that can be perfected or improved like humans, but my new monotheistic religion says that God is a special God and he is not like humans, and that means that he is a special God that can not self-improve his great arrogance that
    is his character so that to not be great arrogance, so it is one of the most important idea of my new monotheistic religion, so i think that the basis ideas of my new monotheistic religion are complete. Also I will explain how i am a new prophet from God,
    so i think i am a messenger from God, since what i am doing is giving you the message from God, for example i have met an Angel from God in form of beautiful light and he has read some part of scriptures from God on my body and soul, and i am not
    kinding, since it is all the truth, but you have to understand more my story, since i think that God is greatly arrogant, since i have also noticed that the Angel from God that i have met was like completely controlled by God, since the Angel from God
    that i have met had for example not the rights to talk with me or to move in a kind of way etc. , so i think it is why you are noticing that the Angels from God are not talking to or contacting humans, since God is greatly arrogant and the Angels from
    God can not do anything without given rights from God to talk or to contact etc. other than that my premonitory dream where i have been contacted by prophet Muhammad was a special premonitory dream from God, since it looks like premonitory dreams of
    prophet Joseph, i mean that a lot of things on this premonitory dream have happened to me, so it is why i am not kinding and it is all the truth since i am also a honest and i am
    a gentleman type of person. Also notice that my new monotheistic religion says that God has created the souls, but he has not created the bodies of humans and he has not created the universe, so i invite you to read my
    following thoughts about my new monotheistic religion so that
    to understand my story and so that to understand my new monotheistic religion:


    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/kFxTDu6_jus



    More of my philosophy about modern philosophy and more of my thoughts..


    I think i am highly smart since I have passed two certified IQ tests and i have scored "above" 115 IQ, and i mean that it is "above" 115 IQ,
    so i think my philosophy below is about the most modern philosophy,
    so we can ask a philosophical question of:


    What is the most modern philosophy ?


    So i think i am a philosopher, and i think in philosophy you have to know how to make a difference between the understanding and the knowing, so for example philosophy is like science since it wants to "understand", but the problematic of science and
    philosophy is that philosophy has wanted to understand and science has wanted to understand, but what also remains in philosophy , and it is also the most modern philosophy, is how to create the meaning of human life , so as you are noticing, i think i
    am a smart philosopher that is showing you in my below thoughts how i am creating the meaning of human life, and of course you have to understand the why i am creating the meaning of human life by reading my below thoughts of my philosophy, so it is why
    i have invented quickly my new monotheistic religion, since there is a strong tendency to not believe in the God of the previous monotheistic religions since for example the Qur'aan and the Bible contain many many defects and imperfections, and notice
    carefully how my new monotheistic religion creates the meaning of human life in a smart way, and of course i have just talked , read it below, about the defect of Liberalism and Libertarianism, since for example i think that in Liberalism there is two
    things: Firstly, the morality of it, and secondly, the economic Liberalism, so i think that the morality of Liberalism is problematic
    as i am showing it in my below thoughts, since Liberalism and Libertarianism are too much permissive in morality, i mean that they are
    characterized by excessive freedom of behavior, so this too much permissive is an extremist conception of Liberalism and Libertarianism,
    so read my previous thoughts of my philosophy below so that to understand my views:

    More of my philosophy about Libertarianism and about Liberalism and more of my thoughts..

    I have just looked at the following video from USA about Libertarianism and i invite you to look at it:

    TAKE IT TO THE LIMITS: Milton Friedman on Libertarianism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSumJxQ5oy4


    So i think i am a philosopher, and i think that Libertarianism and Liberalism have a problem, and it is about morality, so i think that Libertarianism and Liberalism are extremist conceptions of morality since they want to give people moral autonomy (the
    ability to pursue one’s own conception of happiness) , so you can read about it in the following web link:
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/libertarianism-politics ,
    but i think that it is an extremist conception since happiness is not only individual happiness , but it is also societal happiness, so it is why i think that not all people have the ability to pursue this societal happiness, so it is why the government
    has to intervene and it is why we have to have laws and enforce laws so that to prevent individuals from hurting themselves and/or hurting the society, also Libertarianism and Liberalism have another problem since they are like the Liberty of the
    national motto of France that consists of being able to do "anything" that does not harm others, but i think that we can not say that it is like the being free speech, since how can we for example be free to harm or the hurt the oneself, and how for
    example can we be free to practice Sado-masochism or the like that can harm and hurt others when there is freely given informed consent between adults ? so read my following thoughts so that to understand my views about it:

    More of my philosophy about the Liberty of the national motto of France and more of my thoughts..

    I have just said the following:

    "In the national motto of France there is a problem and it is that Liberty consists of being able to do "anything" that does not harm others, but i think that we can not say that it is like the being free speech, since how can we be for example free to
    harm or the hurt the oneself, and how for example can we be free to practice Sado-masochism or the like that can harm and hurt others when there is freely given informed consent between adults ?"

    And so that to understand that i am truthful , so read the following
    article that explains the kind of Liberty of the national motto of France, and here is how it explains the Liberty of the national motto of France:


    “Liberty consists of being able to do anything that does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of every man or woman has no bounds other than those that guarantee other members of society the enjoyment of these same rights“.


    And here is the article and read it carefully:

    https://frenchmoments.eu/national-motto-of-france/


    More of my philosophy of is the national motto of France an ideal and more of my thoughts..

    I think i am highly smart since I have passed two certified IQ tests and i have scored "above" 115 IQ, and i mean that it is "above" 115 IQ,
    as you have just noticed that i have just said that the national motto
    of France of "Liberty, equality, fraternity" is an ideal, so i say

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