• US tried to kill Putin by directing major coup: Russia

    From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 08:22:31 2022
    "MOSCOW: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the Pentagon’s directive to US officials to strike the Kremlin was actually an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    According to the report of the Russian news agency “TASS”, Lavrov added that Washington has gone ahead of everyone else. What some Pentagon officials threatened to attack the head of the Kremlin was actually a threat to physically eliminate the
    Russian head of state.

    Lavrov cautioned that one should think carefully about the potential consequences of such projects if one espouses such ideas. Lavrov also reminded Western officials of their actions and statements regarding nuclear conflict. “They seem to have
    completely abandoned strategy,” Larov said. It should be remembered that the former British Prime Minister Liz Terrace announced during an election debate that she is fully prepared to issue the order for a nuclear attack.
    Referring to the provocations by the government in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Minister said that the illogical provocations of the Kyiv government should also be remembered that President Zelensky asked NATO countries to launch a premature nuclear
    attack on Russia. said for “It is beyond acceptable limits,” he said.

    Recall that Russian President Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine on February 24, with the aim of eliminating and disarming “Nazism” in Ukraine. Russia said that this is a threat to Russia. Kyiv and its Western allies say the Russian
    invasion is a colonial land grab.

    Lavrov reiterated that there cannot be normal relations between Russia and the United States. He said that it is not possible to establish normal relations with the Biden administration from an objective point of view because the Biden administration
    declares that one of its goals is to strategically defeat our country.
    The fallout from the Russian military campaign in Ukraine and the subsequent imposition of Western sanctions on Moscow has left US-Russia relations at their lowest level in decades."

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/12/27/us-tried-to-kill-putin-by-directing-major-coup-russia/

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 13:02:34 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:22:32 AM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
    "MOSCOW: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the Pentagon’s directive to US officials to strike the Kremlin was actually an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    According to the report of the Russian news agency “TASS”, Lavrov added that Washington has gone ahead of everyone else. What some Pentagon officials threatened to attack the head of the Kremlin was actually a threat to physically eliminate the
    Russian head of state.

    Lavrov cautioned that one should think carefully about the potential consequences of such projects if one espouses such ideas. Lavrov also reminded Western officials of their actions and statements regarding nuclear conflict. “They seem to have
    completely abandoned strategy,” Larov said. It should be remembered that the former British Prime Minister Liz Terrace announced during an election debate that she is fully prepared to issue the order for a nuclear attack.
    Referring to the provocations by the government in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Minister said that the illogical provocations of the Kyiv government should also be remembered that President Zelensky asked NATO countries to launch a premature nuclear
    attack on Russia. said for “It is beyond acceptable limits,” he said.

    Recall that Russian President Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine on February 24, with the aim of eliminating and disarming “Nazism” in Ukraine. Russia said that this is a threat to Russia. Kyiv and its Western allies say the Russian
    invasion is a colonial land grab.

    Lavrov reiterated that there cannot be normal relations between Russia and the United States. He said that it is not possible to establish normal relations with the Biden administration from an objective point of view because the Biden administration
    declares that one of its goals is to strategically defeat our country.
    The fallout from the Russian military campaign in Ukraine and the subsequent imposition of Western sanctions on Moscow has left US-Russia relations at their lowest level in decades."

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/12/27/us-tried-to-kill-putin-by-directing-major-coup-russia/

    The grownups know that Putin will soon fall.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 29 05:58:09 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 4:22:32 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    "MOSCOW: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the Pentagon’s directive to US officials to strike the Kremlin was actually an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    According to the report of the Russian news agency “TASS”, Lavrov added that Washington has gone ahead of everyone else. What some Pentagon officials threatened to attack the head of the Kremlin was actually a threat to physically eliminate the
    Russian head of state.

    Lavrov cautioned that one should think carefully about the potential consequences of such projects if one espouses such ideas. Lavrov also reminded Western officials of their actions and statements regarding nuclear conflict. “They seem to have
    completely abandoned strategy,” Larov said. It should be remembered that the former British Prime Minister Liz Terrace announced during an election debate that she is fully prepared to issue the order for a nuclear attack.
    Referring to the provocations by the government in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Minister said that the illogical provocations of the Kyiv government should also be remembered that President Zelensky asked NATO countries to launch a premature nuclear
    attack on Russia. said for “It is beyond acceptable limits,” he said.

    Recall that Russian President Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine on February 24, with the aim of eliminating and disarming “Nazism” in Ukraine. Russia said that this is a threat to Russia. Kyiv and its Western allies say the Russian
    invasion is a colonial land grab.

    Lavrov reiterated that there cannot be normal relations between Russia and the United States. He said that it is not possible to establish normal relations with the Biden administration from an objective point of view because the Biden administration
    declares that one of its goals is to strategically defeat our country.
    The fallout from the Russian military campaign in Ukraine and the subsequent imposition of Western sanctions on Moscow has left US-Russia relations at their lowest level in decades."

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/12/27/us-tried-to-kill-putin-by-directing-major-coup-russia/

    The big question: Has US-Russia reached the point of no return?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?6pOYcuG0iXPKh2rJkG4g6pOkb@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Dec 31 03:03:45 2022
    You !


    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:02:36 PM UTC+2, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:22:32 AM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
    "MOSCOW: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the Pentagon’s directive to US officials to strike the Kremlin was actually an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    According to the report of the Russian news agency “TASS”, Lavrov added that Washington has gone ahead of everyone else. What some Pentagon officials threatened to attack the head of the Kremlin was actually a threat to physically eliminate the
    Russian head of state.

    Lavrov cautioned that one should think carefully about the potential consequences of such projects if one espouses such ideas. Lavrov also reminded Western officials of their actions and statements regarding nuclear conflict. “They seem to have
    completely abandoned strategy,” Larov said. It should be remembered that the former British Prime Minister Liz Terrace announced during an election debate that she is fully prepared to issue the order for a nuclear attack.
    Referring to the provocations by the government in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Minister said that the illogical provocations of the Kyiv government should also be remembered that President Zelensky asked NATO countries to launch a premature nuclear
    attack on Russia. said for “It is beyond acceptable limits,” he said.

    Recall that Russian President Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine on February 24, with the aim of eliminating and disarming “Nazism” in Ukraine. Russia said that this is a threat to Russia. Kyiv and its Western allies say the Russian
    invasion is a colonial land grab.

    Lavrov reiterated that there cannot be normal relations between Russia and the United States. He said that it is not possible to establish normal relations with the Biden administration from an objective point of view because the Biden administration
    declares that one of its goals is to strategically defeat our country.
    The fallout from the Russian military campaign in Ukraine and the subsequent imposition of Western sanctions on Moscow has left US-Russia relations at their lowest level in decades."

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/12/27/us-tried-to-kill-putin-by-directing-major-coup-russia/
    The grownups know that Putin will soon fall.

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 05:02:08 2023
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 12:22:32 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    "MOSCOW: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the Pentagon’s directive to US officials to strike the Kremlin was actually an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    According to the report of the Russian news agency “TASS”, Lavrov added that Washington has gone ahead of everyone else. What some Pentagon officials threatened to attack the head of the Kremlin was actually a threat to physically eliminate the
    Russian head of state.

    Lavrov cautioned that one should think carefully about the potential consequences of such projects if one espouses such ideas. Lavrov also reminded Western officials of their actions and statements regarding nuclear conflict. “They seem to have
    completely abandoned strategy,” Larov said. It should be remembered that the former British Prime Minister Liz Terrace announced during an election debate that she is fully prepared to issue the order for a nuclear attack.
    Referring to the provocations by the government in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Minister said that the illogical provocations of the Kyiv government should also be remembered that President Zelensky asked NATO countries to launch a premature nuclear
    attack on Russia. said for “It is beyond acceptable limits,” he said.

    Recall that Russian President Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine on February 24, with the aim of eliminating and disarming “Nazism” in Ukraine. Russia said that this is a threat to Russia. Kyiv and its Western allies say the Russian
    invasion is a colonial land grab.

    Lavrov reiterated that there cannot be normal relations between Russia and the United States. He said that it is not possible to establish normal relations with the Biden administration from an objective point of view because the Biden administration
    declares that one of its goals is to strategically defeat our country.
    The fallout from the Russian military campaign in Ukraine and the subsequent imposition of Western sanctions on Moscow has left US-Russia relations at their lowest level in decades."

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/12/27/us-tried-to-kill-putin-by-directing-major-coup-russia/

    Zelensky should declare no more NATO means no more war and no more Nazi in Ukraine.

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 05:41:02 2023
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 9:58:10 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 4:22:32 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    "MOSCOW: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the Pentagon’s directive to US officials to strike the Kremlin was actually an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    According to the report of the Russian news agency “TASS”, Lavrov added that Washington has gone ahead of everyone else. What some Pentagon officials threatened to attack the head of the Kremlin was actually a threat to physically eliminate the
    Russian head of state.

    Lavrov cautioned that one should think carefully about the potential consequences of such projects if one espouses such ideas. Lavrov also reminded Western officials of their actions and statements regarding nuclear conflict. “They seem to have
    completely abandoned strategy,” Larov said. It should be remembered that the former British Prime Minister Liz Terrace announced during an election debate that she is fully prepared to issue the order for a nuclear attack.
    Referring to the provocations by the government in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Minister said that the illogical provocations of the Kyiv government should also be remembered that President Zelensky asked NATO countries to launch a premature nuclear
    attack on Russia. said for “It is beyond acceptable limits,” he said.

    Recall that Russian President Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine on February 24, with the aim of eliminating and disarming “Nazism” in Ukraine. Russia said that this is a threat to Russia. Kyiv and its Western allies say the Russian
    invasion is a colonial land grab.

    Lavrov reiterated that there cannot be normal relations between Russia and the United States. He said that it is not possible to establish normal relations with the Biden administration from an objective point of view because the Biden administration
    declares that one of its goals is to strategically defeat our country.
    The fallout from the Russian military campaign in Ukraine and the subsequent imposition of Western sanctions on Moscow has left US-Russia relations at their lowest level in decades."

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/12/27/us-tried-to-kill-putin-by-directing-major-coup-russia/
    The big question: Has US-Russia reached the point of no return?

    The wicked US is the instigator of Ukraine war. US keeps using their puppet Zelensky to fight and defeat. US keeps offering financial support to feed and fuel Zelensky. US keeps sending weaponry and employed mercenary troops to Ukraine to fight Russia.
    US paid Western media to fake news and cast wicked blames at Russia. The West instigated hatred media against Russia. One never hears from Western media about Zelensky at all. By that, it is clear it is a one-sided media. And by all that, the West is
    adding fuel to the fire. It will only make the situation worse and worst. Henceforth, Europe should dismantle NATO and remove US from all its bases and peace will come to Europe with Russia as Europe. Fostering good relationship among European and Asia
    is important than pandering to the wicked manipulating US.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to stoney on Fri Jan 6 15:28:51 2023
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 1:41:03 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 9:58:10 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 4:22:32 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    "MOSCOW: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the Pentagon’s directive to US officials to strike the Kremlin was actually an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    According to the report of the Russian news agency “TASS”, Lavrov added that Washington has gone ahead of everyone else. What some Pentagon officials threatened to attack the head of the Kremlin was actually a threat to physically eliminate the
    Russian head of state.

    Lavrov cautioned that one should think carefully about the potential consequences of such projects if one espouses such ideas. Lavrov also reminded Western officials of their actions and statements regarding nuclear conflict. “They seem to have
    completely abandoned strategy,” Larov said. It should be remembered that the former British Prime Minister Liz Terrace announced during an election debate that she is fully prepared to issue the order for a nuclear attack.
    Referring to the provocations by the government in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Minister said that the illogical provocations of the Kyiv government should also be remembered that President Zelensky asked NATO countries to launch a premature
    nuclear attack on Russia. said for “It is beyond acceptable limits,” he said.

    Recall that Russian President Putin launched a military operation in Ukraine on February 24, with the aim of eliminating and disarming “Nazism” in Ukraine. Russia said that this is a threat to Russia. Kyiv and its Western allies say the Russian
    invasion is a colonial land grab.

    Lavrov reiterated that there cannot be normal relations between Russia and the United States. He said that it is not possible to establish normal relations with the Biden administration from an objective point of view because the Biden
    administration declares that one of its goals is to strategically defeat our country.
    The fallout from the Russian military campaign in Ukraine and the subsequent imposition of Western sanctions on Moscow has left US-Russia relations at their lowest level in decades."

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/12/27/us-tried-to-kill-putin-by-directing-major-coup-russia/
    The big question: Has US-Russia reached the point of no return?
    The wicked US is the instigator of Ukraine war. US keeps using their puppet Zelensky to fight and defeat. US keeps offering financial support to feed and fuel Zelensky. US keeps sending weaponry and employed mercenary troops to Ukraine to fight Russia.
    US paid Western media to fake news and cast wicked blames at Russia. The West instigated hatred media against Russia. One never hears from Western media about Zelensky at all. By that, it is clear it is a one-sided media. And by all that, the West is
    adding fuel to the fire. It will only make the situation worse and worst. Henceforth, Europe should dismantle NATO and remove US from all its bases and peace will come to Europe with Russia as Europe. Fostering good relationship among European and Asia
    is important than pandering to the wicked manipulating US.

    People look at the Ukraine War different. And their predictions are all over the map.
    Of course some views would be more realistic than other views.

    "Christian Whiton is a senior fellow at the Center for the National Interest. He was a State Department senior advisor during the George W. Bush and Trump administrations. " His article suggests that the Ukraine War is reaching a dead end and Biden
    should seek

    "To end the war in Ukraine in the near future, Washington will have to negotiate directly with Moscow. The sooner it does so, the better. "

    He gives the following reasons for direct Russo-US negotiation in his Jan 5, 2023 article.
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-ukraine-crisis-can-be-solved-206082 "First, Washington should be focused on deterring China and currently cannot do this sufficiently.
    ...
    Second, without a resolution of some sort, this conflict could keep Washington from reorienting
    toward China for a long time, leaving the United States and its allies with shrinking naval and
    aviation assets in the Pacific and a military too focused on fighting in Middle East backwaters
    like Syria and European settings like Ukraine. Not much of this expertise is relevant to deterring
    an intense naval, airborne, and space-based fight with a peer competitor like China.

    Third, when the American people and the Congress get tired of this latest commitment, the Biden
    administration or its successor will cut off Ukraine, and Kyiv could lose much more to Russia than
    it would if negotiations started now.

    Fourth, such an outcome, which would resemble failures in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, would
    be far more damaging to U.S. credibility than a well-negotiated deal."

    Of course, the question is whether Putin would talk to Biden. If so, what are the terms in ending
    the war? And of course, what about the will of the Ukrainians?

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