• "Xi must step down"

    From David P.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 22:18:48 2022
    China’s lockdown protests: What you need to know
    By Jessie Yeung and CNN's Beijing bureau, Nov 28, 2022

    China has moved quickly to suppress demonstrations that erupted
    across the country over the weekend, deploying police forces at key
    protest sites and tightening online censorship. The protests were sparked
    by anger over the country’s increasingly costly zero-Covid policy, but as numbers swelled at demonstrations in multiple major cities, so too have
    the range of grievances voiced – with some calling for greater democracy and freedom.
    Among the thousands of protesters, hundreds have even called for the removal of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, who for nearly three years has overseen a strategy of
    mass-testing, brute-force lockdowns, enforced quarantine and digital tracking that
    has come at a devastating human and economic cost. Here’s what we know:

    Why are Chinese people protesting?
    --------------------------------
    The protests were triggered by a deadly fire last Thursday in Urumqi, the capital
    of the far western region of Xinjiang. The blaze killed at least 10 people and injured nine in an apartment building – leading to public fury after videos of the
    incident appeared to show lockdown measures had delayed firefighters from reaching the victims.
    The city had been under lockdown for more than 100 days, with residents unable to leave the
    region and many forced to stay home. Videos showed Urumqi residents marching to a
    govt building and chanting for the end of lockdown on Friday. The following morning, the
    local govt said it would lift the lockdown in stages – but did not provide a clear time frame or address the protests.
    That failed to quell public anger and the protests rapidly spread beyond Xinjiang, with residents
    in cities and universities across China also taking to the streets.

    Where are the protests happening?
    --------------------------------
    So far, CNN has verified 20 demonstrations that took place across
    15 Chinese cities – including the capital Beijing and financial center Shanghai.
    In Shanghai on Saturday, 100s gathered for a candlelight vigil on Urumqi Road, named after the Xinjiang city, to mourn the fire victims. Many held up blank sheets of white paper – a symbolic protest against censorship – and chanted, “Need human rights, need freedom.” Some also shouted for Xi to “step down,” and sang The Internationale, a socialist anthem used as a call to
    action in demonstrations worldwide for over a century. It was also sung during pro-democracy protests in Tiananmen Square in Beijing before a brutal crackdown by armed troops in 1989. China’s zero-Covid policies have been felt particularly
    acutely in Shanghai, where a two-month long lockdown earlier this year left many
    without access to food, medical care or other basic supplies – sowing deep public resentment.

    By Sunday evening, mass demonstrations had spread to Beijing, Chengdu, Guangzhou
    and Wuhan, where thousands of residents called for not only an end to Covid restrictions,
    but more remarkably, political freedoms. Residents in some locked-down neighborhoods
    tore down barriers and took to the streets. Protests also took place on campuses,
    including the prestigious institutions of Peking University and Tsinghua University in
    Beijing, and Communication University of China, Nanjing. In Hong Kong, where a national
    security law imposed by Beijing in 2020 has been used to stifle dissent, dozens of people
    gathered on Monday evening in the city’s Central district for a vigil. Some held blank pieces
    of paper, while others left flowers and held signs commemorating those killed in the Urumqi fire.

    Why is this significant?
    ----------------------
    Public protest is exceedingly rare in China, where the Communist Party has tightened its
    grip on all aspects of life, launched a sweeping crackdown on dissent, wiped out much of
    civil society and built a high-tech surveillance state. The mass surveillance system is even
    more stringent in Xinjiang, where the Chinese govts accused of detaining up to 2 million
    Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in camps where former detainees have alleged they
    were physically and sexually abused. A damning U.N. report in September described the
    region’s “invasive” surveillance network, with police databases containing hundreds of
    thousands of files with biometric data such as facial and eyeball scans.
    China has repeatedly denied accusations of human rights abuses in the region. While protests do occur in China, they rarely happen on this scale, nor take such direct aim
    at the central govt and the nation’s leader, said Maria Repnikova, an associate professor
    at Georgia State University who studies Chinese politics and media.

    “This is a different type of protest from the more localized protests we have seen
    recurring over the past two decades that tend to focus their claims and demands on local officials and on very targeted societal and economic issues,” she said.
    Instead, this time the protests have expanded to include “the sharper expression
    of political grievances alongside with concerns about Covid-19 lockdowns.” There have been growing signs in recent months that the public has run out of patience with zero-Covid, after nearly three years of economic hardship and disruption to daily life. Isolated pockets of protest broke out October, with anti-zero-Covid
    slogans appearing on the walls of public bathrooms and in various Chinese cities,
    inspired by a banner hung by a lone protester on an overpass in Beijing just days
    before Xi cemented a third term in power. Earlier in November, larger protests took place
    in Guangzhou, with residents defying lockdown orders to topple barriers and cheer as they took to the streets.

    How have authorities responded?
    ----------------------------
    While protests in several parts of China appear to have largely dispersed peacefully
    over the weekend, authorities responded more forcefully in some cities. The Shanghai
    protests on Saturday led to scuffles between demonstrators and police, with arrests
    made in the early hours of the morning. Undeterred, protesters returned on Sunday,
    where they met a more aggressive response – videos show chaotic scenes of police
    pushing, dragging, and beating protesters. The videos have since been scrubbed from the Chinese internet by censors. One Shanghai protester told CNN he was one
    of around 80 to 110 people detained in the city on Saturday night. He described being
    transferred to a police station, having his phone confiscated and biometric information
    collected before being released a day later. CNN cannot independently verify the
    number of those arrested. Two foreign reporters were also briefly detained. BBC journalist
    Edward Lawrence was arrested in Shanghai on Sunday night, with a BBC spokesperson
    claiming he was “beaten and kicked by the police” while covering the protests. He has
    since been released. On Monday, a spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry said
    Lawrence had not identified himself as a journalist before being detained.

    Michael Peuker, China correspondent for Swiss public broadcaster RTS, was reporting
    live when he said several police officers approached him. He later posted on Twitter
    that the officers took him and his cameraman into a vehicle, before releasing them.
    China’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson deflected questions about the protests on
    Monday, telling a reporter who asked whether the widespread displays of public anger
    would make China consider ending zero-Covid: “What you mentioned does not reflect
    what actually happened.” He also claimed that social media posts linking the Xinjiang
    fire with Covid policies had “ulterior motives,” and that authorities have been “making
    adjustments based on realities on the ground.” When asked about protesters calling on
    Xi to step down, he replied: “I’m not aware of the situation you mentioned.”
    State-run media has not directly covered the demonstrations – but praised zero-Covid,
    with one newspaper on Sunday calling it “the most scientifically effective” approach.

    How has the world responded?
    -------------------------
    In recent days, vigils and demonstrations expressing solidarity with protesters in China
    have been held around the world, including in the U.K., Canada and Australia. As news of the protests made international headlines, foreign govt officials and
    orgs voiced support for the protesters and criticized Beijing’s response. “We’re watching this closely, as you might expect we would,” said US National
    Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby on Monday. “We continue to stand up and support the right of peaceful protest.”
    UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly told reporters the Chinese govt should “listen to the voices of its own people … when they are saying that they are not
    happy with the restrictions imposed upon them.” The European Broadcasting Union (EBU)
    also said on Monday that it condemned “the intolerable intimidation and aggression”
    directed toward member journalists in China, in an apparent reference to the foreign
    journalists who were detained.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/28/china/china-lockdown-protests-covid-explainer-intl-hnk
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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 16:59:11 2022
    Among the thousands of protesters, hundreds have even called for the removal of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, who for nearly three years has overseen a strategy of mass-testing, brute-force lockdowns, enforced quarantine and digital tracking that has come at a devastating human and economic cost. Here's what we know:

    What I know is, among many recent protest actions in various China's
    cities, the slogans like "Xi Jinping to resign" were heard only at one
    protest action in Shanghai.

    Russia's major news outlets are not enthusiastic to report about
    problematic internals in China, but there are also dozens of bloggers
    who tell about China from the inside, so those who are interested in
    China's life might watch recently hundreds of amateur videos related to
    the protests.

    Why is this significant?
    ----------------------
    Public protest is exceedingly rare in China, where the Communist Party has tightened its grip on all aspects of life, launched a sweeping crackdown
    on dissent, wiped out much of civil society and built a high-tech surveillance state.

    AfaIk, public protest isn't "exceedingly rare" in China, but
    protesting activities usually happen due to some specific and more or
    less local issues. The CNN itself essentially recognizes the fact when
    telling that the China's protesters "tend to focus their claims and
    demands on local officials and on very targeted societal and economic
    issues". The Zero Covid policy, that caused the very recent protests,
    is essentially a "very targeted societal issue", so it's not really "a different type of protest", but since this policy isn't linked with a
    locality, the protests happened in many places.

    "We continue to stand up and support the right of peaceful protest."
    UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly told reporters the Chinese govt
    should "listen to the voices of its own people

    On another occasion, they find it appropriate to claim that "it's time
    for the elites to rise up against the ignorant masses". In the early
    2014, the Atlanticist speakers were repeating this "right of peaceful
    protest" mantra even when the violent part of the Kiev protesters
    turned to extreme violence, up to use of firearms. Meanwhile, not so
    violent - at least absolutely incomparable to the Kiev case - 'Capitol
    riot' has been branded as such a horrendously big deal.

    People start protesting when they feel an indignation and irritation
    about something, or some injustice. And a fact of some public protest
    often provides an opportunity for variety of interpretations about
    things that can not be subjected to objective measurement. Whether the
    protest sentiment is shared by the vast majority, or it's
    characteristic of some more or less special group. There also may be
    different speculations about what exactly the protesters want / demand
    and what is the very root cause of the protest impulse. Analysts often
    can [mis]interpret such features differently.

    It's easy to notice the fact that when Western politicians and media
    analysts comment on some protests happening in different countries,
    their rhetoric and interpretation principally depends on whether they
    consider the country "garden" or "jungle", so that they would apply
    very different standards and accents depending on that.

    Basically, it is better not to let things get to the point when some
    start protesting at the streets. It requires a social communication infrastructure where someone can tell about issues causing their
    indignation and suggest improvements and corrections, and others can
    hear and respond with an action or elucidation. In fact, organization
    of such a communication infrastructure is a fundamental civilizational question, and in this respect China goes in its peculiar way (while
    within the Western world there are steady trends of popular loss of
    confidence in institutions).

    In the recent decades, China has experienced very rapid economic and
    cultural development. So it'd be silly to call the CPC evil. However,
    any rapid development is usually accompanied by accumulation of misc. imbalances and side effects, which can stimulate protest sentiments
    among certain groups. Also, the dialectics of social development is so
    that an improvement of people's quality of life also affects their
    behavioral patterns and raises their expectations, thus causing a
    popular demand for better quality of governance. Commitment to sanity
    and sense of proportion should be the key.

    * * *

    By the way, today, street protests, with analogue of "Capitol riot",
    are going on in the Mongolia's capital (the protesters are unhappy
    mainly about corruption and poor life of regular people).

    <https://t.me/Monuzel/3312> near the Government Palace <https://t.me/Monuzel/3311> rioters break into the Government Palace <https://t.me/Monuzel/3313> rioters inside the Government Palace

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Tue Dec 6 13:33:51 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:00:52 PM UTC, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    Among the thousands of protesters, hundreds have even called for the removal
    of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, who for nearly three years has overseen a strategy of mass-testing, brute-force lockdowns, enforced quarantine and digital tracking that has come at a devastating human and economic cost. Here's what we know:
    What I know is, among many recent protest actions in various China's
    cities, the slogans like "Xi Jinping to resign" were heard only at one protest action in Shanghai.

    Russia's major news outlets are not enthusiastic to report about
    problematic internals in China, but there are also dozens of bloggers
    who tell about China from the inside, so those who are interested in
    China's life might watch recently hundreds of amateur videos related to
    the protests.
    Why is this significant?
    ----------------------
    Public protest is exceedingly rare in China, where the Communist Party has tightened its grip on all aspects of life, launched a sweeping crackdown
    on dissent, wiped out much of civil society and built a high-tech surveillance state.
    AfaIk, public protest isn't "exceedingly rare" in China, but
    protesting activities usually happen due to some specific and more or
    less local issues. The CNN itself essentially recognizes the fact when telling that the China's protesters "tend to focus their claims and
    demands on local officials and on very targeted societal and economic issues". The Zero Covid policy, that caused the very recent protests,
    is essentially a "very targeted societal issue", so it's not really "a different type of protest", but since this policy isn't linked with a locality, the protests happened in many places.
    "We continue to stand up and support the right of peaceful protest."
    UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly told reporters the Chinese govt
    should "listen to the voices of its own people
    On another occasion, they find it appropriate to claim that "it's time
    for the elites to rise up against the ignorant masses". In the early
    2014, the Atlanticist speakers were repeating this "right of peaceful protest" mantra even when the violent part of the Kiev protesters
    turned to extreme violence, up to use of firearms. Meanwhile, not so
    violent - at least absolutely incomparable to the Kiev case - 'Capitol
    riot' has been branded as such a horrendously big deal.

    People start protesting when they feel an indignation and irritation
    about something, or some injustice. And a fact of some public protest
    often provides an opportunity for variety of interpretations about
    things that can not be subjected to objective measurement. Whether the protest sentiment is shared by the vast majority, or it's
    characteristic of some more or less special group. There also may be different speculations about what exactly the protesters want / demand
    and what is the very root cause of the protest impulse. Analysts often
    can [mis]interpret such features differently.

    It's easy to notice the fact that when Western politicians and media
    analysts comment on some protests happening in different countries,
    their rhetoric and interpretation principally depends on whether they consider the country "garden" or "jungle", so that they would apply
    very different standards and accents depending on that.

    Basically, it is better not to let things get to the point when some
    start protesting at the streets. It requires a social communication infrastructure where someone can tell about issues causing their
    indignation and suggest improvements and corrections, and others can
    hear and respond with an action or elucidation. In fact, organization
    of such a communication infrastructure is a fundamental civilizational question, and in this respect China goes in its peculiar way (while
    within the Western world there are steady trends of popular loss of confidence in institutions).

    In the recent decades, China has experienced very rapid economic and
    cultural development. So it'd be silly to call the CPC evil. However,
    any rapid development is usually accompanied by accumulation of misc. imbalances and side effects, which can stimulate protest sentiments
    among certain groups. Also, the dialectics of social development is so
    that an improvement of people's quality of life also affects their
    behavioral patterns and raises their expectations, thus causing a
    popular demand for better quality of governance. Commitment to sanity
    and sense of proportion should be the key.

    * * *

    By the way, today, street protests, with analogue of "Capitol riot",
    are going on in the Mongolia's capital (the protesters are unhappy
    mainly about corruption and poor life of regular people).

    <https://t.me/Monuzel/3312> near the Government Palace <https://t.me/Monuzel/3311> rioters break into the Government Palace <https://t.me/Monuzel/3313> rioters inside the Government Palace

    The Chinese saying is "One dog barks to shadow; hundred dogs bark to
    sound made by other dogs."

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