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    From David P.@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 29 23:34:53 2022
    A government-connected Kremlin critic’s flight from Russia raises questions about who is still safe.
    By Anatoly Kurmanaev, Oct. 28, 2022, NY Times

    One of the best-known Russian public figures who has often criticized the government has left the country, shocking many in a nation that has grown accustomed to steadily diminishing dissent.

    Ksenia Sobchak, who has challenged Putin at the polls while sometimes appearing to accommodate his agenda, entered Lithuania on an Israeli passport, Lithuania’s foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, told reporters on Thursday. Videos posted on
    social media hours earlier had appeared to show Sobchak, 40, crossing a border.

    A day before Sobchak’s departure, an executive at her media company was arrested and accused of extorting a Russian state firm. Security officers searched Sobchak’s home this week, according to Russian state media. Ms. Sobchak did not respond to a
    request for comment, and she has not commented publicly on her departure.

    One of Russia’s most polarizing figures, Sobchak exemplifies a generation of the country’s elite that has sought to build a public following while largely playing by the rules of a system built by Putin in over 20 years in power.

    Her departure appeared to indicate that even modestly contrarian voices connected to the government were no longer safe from persecution, a level of suppression last seen in Russia four decades ago.

    Sobchak’s father was Putin’s political mentor, Anatoly Sobchak, who was once the mayor of St. Petersburg. She assumed an array of often conflicting public personae before becoming one of Russia’s most prominent public affairs commentators.

    Over the years, she has frequently criticized Putin’s policies, joining antigovernment protests in 2011 and running against him in the 2018 elections. But many opposition figures, including the jailed politician Aleksei A. Navalny, have accused Sobchak
    of being a Kremlin operator, creating a mirage of competition in what is really a one-party system.

    “I like Putin as a person, but I don’t like him as a politician,” she said in early 2012 amid the biggest wave of anti-government protests in years, underlining the ambiguity of her political agenda.

    She sharpened her attacks somewhat during her run for the presidency in 2017, saying at one meeting of her supporters: “We are against this rule, against one candidate, against Putin.” Her campaign, however, largely focused on criticizing local
    officials and general governance rather than directly attacking the president.

    Sobchak also has avoided taking a strong stance on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, lamenting her country’s disastrous path while often mimicking the Kremlin’s line in calling the war a “special operation.” Since the start of the war, her regular
    posts on social media, which sometimes draw millions of viewers, have largely avoided directly confronting its reality, leading many detractors to accuse her of abetting the Kremlin’s propaganda by distracting the Russian public.

    Sobchak’s often contradictory actions have mimicked the experiences of millions of her compatriots, who have sought to find an ever-shifting balance between independent thought and conformity in Putin’s Russia. To many, including her detractors, her
    flight from Russia appeared to be a watershed in the country’s transformation since the start of the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/28/world/europe/ksenia-sobchak-kremlin-critic-russia.html

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to David P. on Mon Oct 31 02:01:39 2022
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:34:55 PM UTC+8, David P. wrote:
    A government-connected Kremlin critic’s flight from Russia raises questions about who is still safe.
    By Anatoly Kurmanaev, Oct. 28, 2022, NY Times

    One of the best-known Russian public figures who has often criticized the government has left the country, shocking many in a nation that has grown accustomed to steadily diminishing dissent.

    Ksenia Sobchak, who has challenged Putin at the polls while sometimes appearing to accommodate his agenda, entered Lithuania on an Israeli passport, Lithuania’s foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, told reporters on Thursday. Videos posted on
    social media hours earlier had appeared to show Sobchak, 40, crossing a border.

    A day before Sobchak’s departure, an executive at her media company was arrested and accused of extorting a Russian state firm. Security officers searched Sobchak’s home this week, according to Russian state media. Ms. Sobchak did not respond to a
    request for comment, and she has not commented publicly on her departure.

    One of Russia’s most polarizing figures, Sobchak exemplifies a generation of the country’s elite that has sought to build a public following while largely playing by the rules of a system built by Putin in over 20 years in power.

    Her departure appeared to indicate that even modestly contrarian voices connected to the government were no longer safe from persecution, a level of suppression last seen in Russia four decades ago.

    Sobchak’s father was Putin’s political mentor, Anatoly Sobchak, who was once the mayor of St. Petersburg. She assumed an array of often conflicting public personae before becoming one of Russia’s most prominent public affairs commentators.

    Over the years, she has frequently criticized Putin’s policies, joining antigovernment protests in 2011 and running against him in the 2018 elections. But many opposition figures, including the jailed politician Aleksei A. Navalny, have accused
    Sobchak of being a Kremlin operator, creating a mirage of competition in what is really a one-party system.

    “I like Putin as a person, but I don’t like him as a politician,” she said in early 2012 amid the biggest wave of anti-government protests in years, underlining the ambiguity of her political agenda.

    She sharpened her attacks somewhat during her run for the presidency in 2017, saying at one meeting of her supporters: “We are against this rule, against one candidate, against Putin.” Her campaign, however, largely focused on criticizing local
    officials and general governance rather than directly attacking the president.

    Sobchak also has avoided taking a strong stance on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, lamenting her country’s disastrous path while often mimicking the Kremlin’s line in calling the war a “special operation.” Since the start of the war, her
    regular posts on social media, which sometimes draw millions of viewers, have largely avoided directly confronting its reality, leading many detractors to accuse her of abetting the Kremlin’s propaganda by distracting the Russian public.

    Sobchak’s often contradictory actions have mimicked the experiences of millions of her compatriots, who have sought to find an ever-shifting balance between independent thought and conformity in Putin’s Russia. To many, including her detractors,
    her flight from Russia appeared to be a watershed in the country’s transformation since the start of the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/28/world/europe/ksenia-sobchak-kremlin-critic-russia.html


    She is one of hundreds of double-head snakes mimicking Putin's line but quietly benefiting themselves, too. They are many such people around the world, too.

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 31 12:59:28 2022
    A government-connected Kremlin critic's flight from Russia raises
    questions about who is still safe.
    By Anatoly Kurmanaev, Oct. 28, 2022, NY Times

    One of the best-known Russian public figures who has often criticized
    the government has left the country, shocking many in a nation that
    has grown accustomed to steadily diminishing dissent.

    Ksenia Sobchak, who has challenged Putin at the polls while sometimes appearing to accommodate his agenda, entered Lithuania on an Israeli passport, Lithuania's foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, told reporters on Thursday. Videos posted on social media hours earlier
    had appeared to show Sobchak, 40, crossing a border.

    In fact, Ksenia Sobchak is not a politician in Russia but much more
    like a scandalous celebrity. She became first known as a presenter
    in some controversial-bawdy TV shows in the mid-2000s, and her career
    was successful mainly due to her parents and her links with Putin. Her
    mother since the 1990s remains a 3rd-tier functionary in the Russia's
    politics <https://is.gd/enHZAk>, and her father was a bold politician
    in the very early 1990s, when he became mayor of St.Petersburg. Putin
    was her father's assistant <https://is.gd/ITscSK> at the time. There
    was also an urban legend that Putin is her godfather, which was later
    refuted, but this legend helped her career (somewhat similarly to the
    way "Putin's brain" legend helped promotion of controversial Dugin).

    The Ksenia Sobchak's "criticizing the government" was usually more a
    form of epatage behavior rather than a substantive criticism, which
    also was often combined with elements of arrogance towards populace.
    So her popularity within Russia is more scandalously-negative rather
    then positive. As she has fled Russia recently, there were many
    comments in the Russian social networks that it would be nice if she
    never came back.

    From an intellectual perspective, she's quite a stupid lady, - such a
    kind of the Russian "liberals" who uncritically pick up some cliches
    from the discourse in the Western media and seek to retell it within
    Russia under a naive belief that no one within Russia except them can
    read the Western media firsthand.

    Some additional piquancy of her exit from Russia is also linked with
    the fact that she told the domestic public for a long time that she
    doesn't have any second citizenship, but, in fact, it turned out that
    she managed well to get an Israeli passport, which she used to enter
    Lithuania.

    In Russia and many post-Soviet states, Ksenia Sobchak is subject to
    certain memes and jokes. The netizens used to brand her as "horse" or
    "horse head", because of her appearance, e.g.: "Princess Horse:
    Ksenia Sobchak was ridiculed for a photo .." <https://is.gd/DmpYBr>
    (a headline in a Kazakhstan's outlet). Also many humorous web-sites
    offer compilations of jokes dedicated to Ksenia Sobchak, for example <https://is.gd/drE2H7> (read it through machine translation).

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Tue Nov 1 00:31:26 2022
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    A government-connected Kremlin critic's flight from Russia raises
    questions about who is still safe.
    By Anatoly Kurmanaev, Oct. 28, 2022, NY Times

    One of the best-known Russian public figures who has often criticized
    the government has left the country, shocking many in a nation that
    has grown accustomed to steadily diminishing dissent.

    Ksenia Sobchak, who has challenged Putin at the polls while sometimes appearing to accommodate his agenda, entered Lithuania on an Israeli passport, Lithuania's foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, told reporters on Thursday. Videos posted on social media hours earlier
    had appeared to show Sobchak, 40, crossing a border.
    In fact, Ksenia Sobchak is not a politician in Russia but much more
    like a scandalous celebrity. She became first known as a presenter
    in some controversial-bawdy TV shows in the mid-2000s, and her career
    was successful mainly due to her parents and her links with Putin. Her
    mother since the 1990s remains a 3rd-tier functionary in the Russia's politics <https://is.gd/enHZAk>, and her father was a bold politician
    in the very early 1990s, when he became mayor of St.Petersburg. Putin
    was her father's assistant <https://is.gd/ITscSK> at the time. There
    was also an urban legend that Putin is her godfather, which was later refuted, but this legend helped her career (somewhat similarly to the
    way "Putin's brain" legend helped promotion of controversial Dugin).

    The Ksenia Sobchak's "criticizing the government" was usually more a
    form of epatage behavior rather than a substantive criticism, which
    also was often combined with elements of arrogance towards populace.
    So her popularity within Russia is more scandalously-negative rather
    then positive. As she has fled Russia recently, there were many
    comments in the Russian social networks that it would be nice if she
    never came back.

    From an intellectual perspective, she's quite a stupid lady, - such a
    kind of the Russian "liberals" who uncritically pick up some cliches
    from the discourse in the Western media and seek to retell it within
    Russia under a naive belief that no one within Russia except them can
    read the Western media firsthand.

    Some additional piquancy of her exit from Russia is also linked with
    the fact that she told the domestic public for a long time that she
    doesn't have any second citizenship, but, in fact, it turned out that
    she managed well to get an Israeli passport, which she used to enter Lithuania.

    In Russia and many post-Soviet states, Ksenia Sobchak is subject to
    certain memes and jokes. The netizens used to brand her as "horse" or
    "horse head", because of her appearance, e.g.: "Princess Horse:
    Ksenia Sobchak was ridiculed for a photo .." <https://is.gd/DmpYBr>
    (a headline in a Kazakhstan's outlet). Also many humorous web-sites
    offer compilations of jokes dedicated to Ksenia Sobchak, for example <https://is.gd/drE2H7> (read it through machine translation).
    ---------------
    Principles are more important than personalities!
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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 11:12:55 2022
    David P., <news:914f57dd-4dcf-4338-8a92-d7b60ea970f7n@googlegroups.com>
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:

    Principles are more important than personalities!

    So the best thing you can do is to kill yourself.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to David P. on Tue Nov 1 03:12:17 2022
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:31:28 AM UTC, David P. wrote:
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    A government-connected Kremlin critic's flight from Russia raises questions about who is still safe.
    By Anatoly Kurmanaev, Oct. 28, 2022, NY Times

    One of the best-known Russian public figures who has often criticized
    the government has left the country, shocking many in a nation that
    has grown accustomed to steadily diminishing dissent.

    Ksenia Sobchak, who has challenged Putin at the polls while sometimes appearing to accommodate his agenda, entered Lithuania on an Israeli passport, Lithuania's foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, told reporters on Thursday. Videos posted on social media hours earlier
    had appeared to show Sobchak, 40, crossing a border.
    In fact, Ksenia Sobchak is not a politician in Russia but much more
    like a scandalous celebrity. She became first known as a presenter
    in some controversial-bawdy TV shows in the mid-2000s, and her career
    was successful mainly due to her parents and her links with Putin. Her mother since the 1990s remains a 3rd-tier functionary in the Russia's politics <https://is.gd/enHZAk>, and her father was a bold politician
    in the very early 1990s, when he became mayor of St.Petersburg. Putin
    was her father's assistant <https://is.gd/ITscSK> at the time. There
    was also an urban legend that Putin is her godfather, which was later refuted, but this legend helped her career (somewhat similarly to the
    way "Putin's brain" legend helped promotion of controversial Dugin).

    The Ksenia Sobchak's "criticizing the government" was usually more a
    form of epatage behavior rather than a substantive criticism, which
    also was often combined with elements of arrogance towards populace.
    So her popularity within Russia is more scandalously-negative rather
    then positive. As she has fled Russia recently, there were many
    comments in the Russian social networks that it would be nice if she
    never came back.

    From an intellectual perspective, she's quite a stupid lady, - such a
    kind of the Russian "liberals" who uncritically pick up some cliches
    from the discourse in the Western media and seek to retell it within
    Russia under a naive belief that no one within Russia except them can
    read the Western media firsthand.

    Some additional piquancy of her exit from Russia is also linked with
    the fact that she told the domestic public for a long time that she
    doesn't have any second citizenship, but, in fact, it turned out that
    she managed well to get an Israeli passport, which she used to enter Lithuania.

    In Russia and many post-Soviet states, Ksenia Sobchak is subject to
    certain memes and jokes. The netizens used to brand her as "horse" or "horse head", because of her appearance, e.g.: "Princess Horse:
    Ksenia Sobchak was ridiculed for a photo .." <https://is.gd/DmpYBr>
    (a headline in a Kazakhstan's outlet). Also many humorous web-sites
    offer compilations of jokes dedicated to Ksenia Sobchak, for example <https://is.gd/drE2H7> (read it through machine translation).
    ---------------
    Principles are more important than personalities!
    --
    --
    Almost all currently espoused Atlanticist political principles corrupt when practiced.
    Hot and principled personality?

    https://www.12thblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ksenia-sobchak-28-683x1024.jpg

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Wed Nov 2 08:48:32 2022
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    David P. wrote:
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    [...]
    Principles are more important than personalities!
    So the best thing you can do is to kill yourself.
    -----------------
    You're not my Higher Power; you're just *pretending* to be! lol
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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to David P. on Wed Nov 2 09:26:25 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 8:48:34 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    David P. wrote:
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    [...]
    Principles are more important than personalities!
    So the best thing you can do is to kill yourself.
    -----------------
    You're not my Higher Power; you're just *pretending* to be! lol

    Heh.

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