• more subtle one

    From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 29 00:10:35 2022
    | <https://tinyurl.com/2lnp7aj5> globaltimes.cn
    |
    | The open discrimination of the past has since evolved into a more
    | subtle one .. What's worse, issues that emerged in the US in recent
    | years suggest that the human rights situation of African Americans
    | has even become worse in many ways. The US has become "most-racial"
    | rather than "post-racial."
    |
    | For instance, the problem of police brutality against African
    | Americans has triggered protests from the black community in recent
    | years. Economically, black Americans had, on average, one-sixth the
    | wealth of white Americans in 2019 on a per capita basis, and that
    | gap is still widening ..

    What this article forgets to mention is the fact that the very last
    decades in the US have passed with an increase of "liberal progressive" narratives in the political and media mainstream.

    Historically, the American "liberal left" evolved also as a deliberate counter-weight to the Soviet "communism", so that it always was pretty
    cautious to touch on the topics of economic management/justice, keeping
    the "capitalist system" untouched in basics. Instead, their main focus
    was on various inequalities of non-economic nature: race, women, sexual identity. In particular, the anti-racist narratives became predominant
    in the US pretty long ago, after the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

    Nevertheless, the dry statistics show that in the recent decades the
    wealth gap between "white" and "black" Americans stays the same or even
    worsens (e.g. <https://is.gd/XUCAjC> <https://is.gd/ig1r34>). The
    situation is such that for a long time there's a lot of noise about the
    issue, but the issue itself steadily remains unresolved. I tend to view
    it so that the true purpose of the noise is that it provides some kind
    of "psychological compensation" to those who feel disadvantaged, but it
    doesn't solve the issue itself in real life. There's no real progress,
    but there's a noise, simulation and falsehood.

    The latter is what the American "progressivism" seems to be really about:
    it speaks nice, it begets attractive expectations, but it doesn't really
    solve real issues except it helps keep the populace in loyalty to the
    elite corporate management (which in turn seeks to employ this "soft
    power" for support of the American hegemony in the world context).

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Sun Aug 28 15:15:30 2022
    On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:11:22 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    | <https://tinyurl.com/2lnp7aj5> globaltimes.cn
    |
    | The open discrimination of the past has since evolved into a more
    | subtle one .. What's worse, issues that emerged in the US in recent
    | years suggest that the human rights situation of African Americans
    | has even become worse in many ways. The US has become "most-racial"
    | rather than "post-racial."
    |
    | For instance, the problem of police brutality against African
    | Americans has triggered protests from the black community in recent
    | years. Economically, black Americans had, on average, one-sixth the
    | wealth of white Americans in 2019 on a per capita basis, and that
    | gap is still widening ..

    What this article forgets to mention is the fact that the very last
    decades in the US have passed with an increase of "liberal progressive" narratives in the political and media mainstream.

    Historically, the American "liberal left" evolved also as a deliberate counter-weight to the Soviet "communism", so that it always was pretty cautious to touch on the topics of economic management/justice, keeping
    the "capitalist system" untouched in basics. Instead, their main focus
    was on various inequalities of non-economic nature: race, women, sexual identity. In particular, the anti-racist narratives became predominant
    in the US pretty long ago, after the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

    Nevertheless, the dry statistics show that in the recent decades the
    wealth gap between "white" and "black" Americans stays the same or even worsens (e.g. <https://is.gd/XUCAjC> <https://is.gd/ig1r34>). The
    situation is such that for a long time there's a lot of noise about the issue, but the issue itself steadily remains unresolved. I tend to view
    it so that the true purpose of the noise is that it provides some kind
    of "psychological compensation" to those who feel disadvantaged, but it doesn't solve the issue itself in real life. There's no real progress,
    but there's a noise, simulation and falsehood.

    The latter is what the American "progressivism" seems to be really about:
    it speaks nice, it begets attractive expectations, but it doesn't really solve real issues except it helps keep the populace in loyalty to the
    elite corporate management (which in turn seeks to employ this "soft
    power" for support of the American hegemony in the world context).

    It depends on whether one is talking about "mean" or "medium".
    "Mean" income of black does improve a lot. But "medium" is a different
    story.

    And then there is the entertainment industry which is progressive among
    all progressives. It is dong the utmost in making black respectable and fashionable. So much so that Kim Kadashian, with Armenian father and German-Irish mother, is trying hard to pass herself as a black.

    Today, African Americans is not a single group, it is fractured at least into
    4 groups. A large middle-class class society; a large, relatively speaking, hopeless group ; a small super-rich and powerful elites who dominate the headlines. They are often admired by both black and white. And then
    there are mixed-raced people and newly immigrated blacks.

    Racial discrimination is still widespread but a lot of subtle as you have correctly described.

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 29 11:21:48 2022
    ltlee1, <news:ee86ebec-d8b8-4035-89ae-68902cf0ff49n@googlegroups.com>
    On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:11:22 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

    | <https://tinyurl.com/2lnp7aj5> globaltimes.cn
    |
    | The open discrimination of the past has since evolved into a more
    | subtle one .. What's worse, issues that emerged in the US in recent
    | years suggest that the human rights situation of African Americans
    | has even become worse in many ways. The US has become "most-racial"
    | rather than "post-racial."
    |
    | For instance, the problem of police brutality against African
    | Americans has triggered protests from the black community in recent
    | years. Economically, black Americans had, on average, one-sixth the
    | wealth of white Americans in 2019 on a per capita basis, and that
    | gap is still widening ..

    What this article forgets to mention is the fact that the very last
    decades in the US have passed with an increase of "liberal progressive"
    narratives in the political and media mainstream.

    Historically, the American "liberal left" evolved also as a deliberate
    counter-weight to the Soviet "communism", so that it always was pretty
    cautious to touch on the topics of economic management/justice, keeping
    the "capitalist system" untouched in basics. Instead, their main focus
    was on various inequalities of non-economic nature: race, women, sexual
    identity. In particular, the anti-racist narratives became predominant
    in the US pretty long ago, after the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

    Nevertheless, the dry statistics show that in the recent decades the
    wealth gap between "white" and "black" Americans stays the same or even
    worsens (e.g. <https://is.gd/XUCAjC> <https://is.gd/ig1r34>). The
    situation is such that for a long time there's a lot of noise about the
    issue, but the issue itself steadily remains unresolved. I tend to view
    it so that the true purpose of the noise is that it provides some kind
    of "psychological compensation" to those who feel disadvantaged, but it
    doesn't solve the issue itself in real life. There's no real progress,
    but there's a noise, simulation and falsehood.

    The latter is what the American "progressivism" seems to be really about:
    it speaks nice, it begets attractive expectations, but it doesn't really
    solve real issues except it helps keep the populace in loyalty to the
    elite corporate management (which in turn seeks to employ this "soft
    power" for support of the American hegemony in the world context).

    It depends on whether one is talking about "mean" or "medium".
    "Mean" income of black does improve a lot. But "medium" is a different
    story.

    And then there is the entertainment industry which is progressive among
    all progressives. It is dong the utmost in making black respectable and fashionable. So much so that Kim Kadashian, with Armenian father and German-Irish mother, is trying hard to pass herself as a black.

    Today, African Americans is not a single group, it is fractured at least
    into 4 groups. A large middle-class class society; a large, relatively speaking, hopeless group ; a small super-rich and powerful elites who dominate the headlines. They are often admired by both black and white.
    And then there are mixed-raced people and newly immigrated blacks.

    Racial discrimination is still widespread but a lot of subtle as you have correctly described.

    Indeed, the entertainment industry promotes the pro-"black"/pro-"color" fashions (as well as pro-women / anti-men ones). Although, in this field,
    the "blackness" became fashionable even before the public discourse in
    the US became predominantly anti-racist. "Black" fashions significantly influenced development of some musical genres since the 19th century.

    The official data <https://is.gd/hSeLvh> reports disparity by Mean about
    4, while disparity by Median about 6-8. It means wealth inequality within
    the American "black" community is higher against "whites". Relatively
    small group of rich and those super-rich, as you have written, improves
    "mean" more than it improves "median".

    The fact a small group of prosperous "blacks" maintains fashionable image
    and "dominates the headlines" is what I've interpreted as "psychological compensation" (for those more regular "blacks" who are not doing as well),
    and the fact the entertainment industry seeks to make "blacks" fashionable
    may be, within the US context, good in itself, but it has no impact on
    lives of most average people, as the statistics (not only wealth but also crime, health, education etc) show the gap keeps persistent over decades.

    This situation does not look quite healthy to me.

    Or at least it's not something that could claim to be really progressive.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Wed Aug 31 14:04:15 2022
    On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 4:24:08 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    ltlee1, <news:ee86ebec-d8b8-4035...@googlegroups.com>
    On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:11:22 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

    | <https://tinyurl.com/2lnp7aj5> globaltimes.cn
    |
    | The open discrimination of the past has since evolved into a more
    | subtle one .. What's worse, issues that emerged in the US in recent
    | years suggest that the human rights situation of African Americans
    | has even become worse in many ways. The US has become "most-racial"
    | rather than "post-racial."
    |
    | For instance, the problem of police brutality against African
    | Americans has triggered protests from the black community in recent
    | years. Economically, black Americans had, on average, one-sixth the
    | wealth of white Americans in 2019 on a per capita basis, and that
    | gap is still widening ..

    What this article forgets to mention is the fact that the very last
    decades in the US have passed with an increase of "liberal progressive"
    narratives in the political and media mainstream.

    Historically, the American "liberal left" evolved also as a deliberate
    counter-weight to the Soviet "communism", so that it always was pretty
    cautious to touch on the topics of economic management/justice, keeping
    the "capitalist system" untouched in basics. Instead, their main focus
    was on various inequalities of non-economic nature: race, women, sexual
    identity. In particular, the anti-racist narratives became predominant
    in the US pretty long ago, after the civil rights movement in the 1960s. >>
    Nevertheless, the dry statistics show that in the recent decades the
    wealth gap between "white" and "black" Americans stays the same or even
    worsens (e.g. <https://is.gd/XUCAjC> <https://is.gd/ig1r34>). The
    situation is such that for a long time there's a lot of noise about the
    issue, but the issue itself steadily remains unresolved. I tend to view
    it so that the true purpose of the noise is that it provides some kind
    of "psychological compensation" to those who feel disadvantaged, but it
    doesn't solve the issue itself in real life. There's no real progress,
    but there's a noise, simulation and falsehood.

    The latter is what the American "progressivism" seems to be really about: >> it speaks nice, it begets attractive expectations, but it doesn't really >> solve real issues except it helps keep the populace in loyalty to the
    elite corporate management (which in turn seeks to employ this "soft
    power" for support of the American hegemony in the world context).

    It depends on whether one is talking about "mean" or "medium".
    "Mean" income of black does improve a lot. But "medium" is a different story.

    And then there is the entertainment industry which is progressive among
    all progressives. It is dong the utmost in making black respectable and fashionable. So much so that Kim Kadashian, with Armenian father and German-Irish mother, is trying hard to pass herself as a black.

    Today, African Americans is not a single group, it is fractured at least into 4 groups. A large middle-class class society; a large, relatively speaking, hopeless group ; a small super-rich and powerful elites who dominate the headlines. They are often admired by both black and white.
    And then there are mixed-raced people and newly immigrated blacks.

    Racial discrimination is still widespread but a lot of subtle as you have correctly described.
    Indeed, the entertainment industry promotes the pro-"black"/pro-"color" fashions (as well as pro-women / anti-men ones). Although, in this field,
    the "blackness" became fashionable even before the public discourse in
    the US became predominantly anti-racist. "Black" fashions significantly influenced development of some musical genres since the 19th century.

    The official data <https://is.gd/hSeLvh> reports disparity by Mean about
    4, while disparity by Median about 6-8. It means wealth inequality within
    the American "black" community is higher against "whites". Relatively
    small group of rich and those super-rich, as you have written, improves "mean" more than it improves "median".

    The fact a small group of prosperous "blacks" maintains fashionable image
    and "dominates the headlines" is what I've interpreted as "psychological compensation" (for those more regular "blacks" who are not doing as well), and the fact the entertainment industry seeks to make "blacks" fashionable may be, within the US context, good in itself, but it has no impact on
    lives of most average people, as the statistics (not only wealth but also crime, health, education etc) show the gap keeps persistent over decades.

    This situation does not look quite healthy to me.

    Or at least it's not something that could claim to be really progressive.

    Showing black Americans as respectful, successful, and fashionable certain makes
    the White Americans feel better. They can readily claim the Black Americans are well treated or more than well treated. It also makes many Black Americans more hopeful. Geopolitically, it contributes to the image that the US is really a human rights
    power as US politicians have often claimed. And it does not ill treat its minorities like
    other nations because it is a democracy.

    Reality? A lot has changed but a lot has yet to be changed. Systemic discrimination
    is still widespread. The most obvious is different quality of education which contributes
    to the school-to-prison pipeline among young Black Americans. And of course, frequent
    real life tragic show of police killing Black Americans. Often for trivia or imagined crime.

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