Europe’s Energy Crisis May Get a Lot Worsethen, there’s been a lot more attention on demand reductions, as you and Meghan called for in June, and a lot more planning for the possibility of much deeper government interventions in the energy economy. What’s changed?
By David Wallace-Wells, Aug. 10, 2022, NY Times
Q. When we last talked, Europe was working to address a possible energy crisis with supply-side measures — importing liquid natural gas, for instance, and refiring some coal plants, even if that meant more carbon emissions in the short term. Since
---------------------------------that it can, but governments are realizing that’s not going to be sufficient. There are going to have to be efforts taken to curb demand as well and to prepare for the possibility of really severe energy rationing this winter.
I think there’s been a gradual and growing recognition that we are headed into the worst global energy crisis at least since the 1970s and perhaps longer than that.
It’s increasingly clear that Vladimir Putin is using gas as a weapon and trying to supply just enough gas to Europe to keep Europe in a perpetual state of panic about its ability to weather the coming winter. Europe has been finding all the supplies
I think now you’re seeing — in terms of the efforts toward efficiency and rationing — some countries are more willing than others. If things become really severe this winter, I fear that you could see European countries start to look out forthemselves rather than one another.
Q. What would that mean, functionally?European countries — why would you allow gas to flow through your country when you’re shutting down your energy-intensive industries, while your economy is suffering? I think we could start to see governments saying, “Well, we’re going to
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It could lead countries to turn against each other in terms of whether energy is allowed to flow across borders. If you’re a country like Germany — which not only consumes a lot of gas but is also a transit country through which gas flows to other
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:41:39 PM UTC+8, David P. wrote:then, there’s been a lot more attention on demand reductions, as you and Meghan called for in June, and a lot more planning for the possibility of much deeper government interventions in the energy economy. What’s changed?
Europe’s Energy Crisis May Get a Lot Worse
By David Wallace-Wells, Aug. 10, 2022, NY Times
Q. When we last talked, Europe was working to address a possible energy crisis with supply-side measures — importing liquid natural gas, for instance, and refiring some coal plants, even if that meant more carbon emissions in the short term. Since
supplies that it can, but governments are realizing that’s not going to be sufficient. There are going to have to be efforts taken to curb demand as well and to prepare for the possibility of really severe energy rationing this winter.---------------------------------
I think there’s been a gradual and growing recognition that we are headed into the worst global energy crisis at least since the 1970s and perhaps longer than that.
It’s increasingly clear that Vladimir Putin is using gas as a weapon and trying to supply just enough gas to Europe to keep Europe in a perpetual state of panic about its ability to weather the coming winter. Europe has been finding all the
themselves rather than one another.I think now you’re seeing — in terms of the efforts toward efficiency and rationing — some countries are more willing than others. If things become really severe this winter, I fear that you could see European countries start to look out for
other European countries — why would you allow gas to flow through your country when you’re shutting down your energy-intensive industries, while your economy is suffering? I think we could start to see governments saying, “Well, we’re going toQ. What would that mean, functionally?
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It could lead countries to turn against each other in terms of whether energy is allowed to flow across borders. If you’re a country like Germany — which not only consumes a lot of gas but is also a transit country through which gas flows to
It is likely countries in EU are going to work against each other when their gas requirement is not forthcoming to them in an uninterrupted way in the coming winter months. It's great to see how they re going to survive when they cannot buy enoughRussian rubles from Russian banks in Russia to pay for their gas to be supplied to them. Needless to say, Russia should up their gas prices for the coming winter months. Usually gas costs more to produced and delivery is costly as manpower deployed to
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 11:52:18 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
It is likely countries in EU are going to work against each other when
their gas requirement is not forthcoming to them in an uninterrupted way in >> the coming winter months. It's great to see how they re going to survive
when they cannot buy enough Russian rubles from Russian banks in Russia to >> pay for their gas to be supplied to them. Needless to say, Russia should up >> their gas prices for the coming winter months. Usually gas costs more to
produced and delivery is costly as manpower deployed to operate them needs >> to endure the cold and icy conditions all the times. It's time or never for >> EU countries to see how Ukraine war can cause to them because US wants them >> to NATO at Russia..
US sanction certainly enriched Western oil and gas companies.
And non-energy rich EU nations are indeed for trouble. This includes Ukraine.
Russia currently controls the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plants, the largest in Europe. It has a total output rated at 5,700 MWatt-e. Ukraine may have to choose between supplying energy to the military or supply energy to the people if Russia disconnects the plants from the Ukraine national grid.
ltlee1, <news:02d836b6-bb00-4ddb...@googlegroups.com>
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 11:52:18 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
It is likely countries in EU are going to work against each other when
their gas requirement is not forthcoming to them in an uninterrupted way in
the coming winter months. It's great to see how they re going to survive >> when they cannot buy enough Russian rubles from Russian banks in Russia to >> pay for their gas to be supplied to them. Needless to say, Russia should up
their gas prices for the coming winter months. Usually gas costs more to >> produced and delivery is costly as manpower deployed to operate them needs >> to endure the cold and icy conditions all the times. It's time or never for
EU countries to see how Ukraine war can cause to them because US wants them
to NATO at Russia..
US sanction certainly enriched Western oil and gas companies.
And non-energy rich EU nations are indeed for trouble. This includes Ukraine.
Russia currently controls the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plants, the largestCurrently there's no electricity shortage in the Kiev-held territory, because of reducing need for it. Inter alia, that's why some weeks ago there were talks in Kiev that they might export electricity to Europe (to help Europe cope with the energy crisis). In the structure of the Ukraine's (pre-2022.02) electricity consumption, people's households took about 1/3 of the total, but now most industrial plants there are stopped or dysfunctional, which leaves a big amount of electricity unclaimed.
in Europe. It has a total output rated at 5,700 MWatt-e. Ukraine may have to
choose between supplying energy to the military or supply energy to the people if Russia disconnects the plants from the Ukraine national grid.
Russian military took control over the Zaporozhia plant since early March, and
so far most of its electricity went to the Kiev-held territory. Now the Kiev regime has found it preferable to neglect this electricity in favor of a PR manipulation. In the recent weeks, Kiev troops were increasingly shelling the plant (whereas Kiev propaganda claimed these are Russians shelling themselves)
which is accompanied with talks about "coming nuclear catastrophe" which makes
a pretext for "international involvement" (and the latter is what Kiev wants).
Experts say that the construction of the plant is so that Chernobyl-like case is virtually impossible there, even under heavy shelling, but the shelling may
still cause some leaks because there's also a storage of radioactive waste, which is less protected (and I'm not an expert and have no idea about the way the described situation would be resolved).
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:17:01 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
ltlee1, <news:02d836b6-bb00-4ddb...@googlegroups.com>
US sanction certainly enriched Western oil and gas companies.
And non-energy rich EU nations are indeed for trouble. This includes
Ukraine.
Russia currently controls the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plants, the
largest in Europe. It has a total output rated at 5,700 MWatt-e.
Ukraine may have to choose between supplying energy to the military
or supply energy to the people if Russia disconnects the plants from
the Ukraine national grid.
Currently there's no electricity shortage in the Kiev-held territory,
because of reducing need for it. Inter alia, that's why some weeks ago
there were talks in Kiev that they might export electricity to Europe
(to help Europe cope with the energy crisis). In the structure of the
Ukraine's (pre-2022.02) electricity consumption, people's households
took about 1/3 of the total, but now most industrial plants there are
stopped or dysfunctional, which leaves a big amount of electricity
unclaimed.
Russian military took control over the Zaporozhia plant since early
March, and so far most of its electricity went to the Kiev-held
territory. Now the Kiev regime has found it preferable to neglect this
electricity in favor of a PR manipulation. In the recent weeks, Kiev
troops were increasingly shelling the plant (whereas Kiev propaganda
claimed these are Russians shelling themselves) which is accompanied
with talks about "coming nuclear catastrophe" which makes a pretext
for "international involvement" (and the latter is what Kiev wants).
And international involvement as a way to prevent Russia from cutting
off supply to Ukraine held territory.
Experts say that the construction of the plant is so that Chernobyl-like
case is virtually impossible there, even under heavy shelling, but the
shelling may still cause some leaks because there's also a storage of
radioactive waste, which is less protected (and I'm not an expert and
have no idea about the way the described situation would be resolved).
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:04:55 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
According to the following Sina.com article, Zelenskky is in trouble. https://news.sina.com.cn/w/2022-08-24/doc-imizirav9409633.shtml
In short, two problems:
1, Zelenskyy had changed his focus on internal political struggle.
2. The West as a whole does not buy his role as a war time hero.
ltlee1, <news:f6ea75fd-0c23-42f7...@googlegroups.com>
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:04:55 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
According to the following Sina.com article, Zelenskky is in trouble. https://news.sina.com.cn/w/2022-08-24/doc-imizirav9409633.shtml
In short, two problems:The Atlanticism likely has some end-game scenario, which
1, Zelenskyy had changed his focus on internal political struggle.
2. The West as a whole does not buy his role as a war time hero.
maybe includes replacement of Zelensky with a new leader.
But so far things don't look like end-game is coming soon.
Although, I've no idea what may be going on there behind
the scenes.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 4:28:54 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
ltlee1, <news:f6ea75fd-0c23-42f7...@googlegroups.com>
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:04:55 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
According to the following Sina.com article, Zelenskky is in trouble. https://news.sina.com.cn/w/2022-08-24/doc-imizirav9409633.shtml
It is one thing to help Ukraine short term. Will Europe support a protracted fight in the absence of world wide support? If not, Ukraine has to be sacrificedIn short, two problems:The Atlanticism likely has some end-game scenario, which
1, Zelenskyy had changed his focus on internal political struggle.
2. The West as a whole does not buy his role as a war time hero.
maybe includes replacement of Zelensky with a new leader.
But so far things don't look like end-game is coming soon.
Although, I've no idea what may be going on there behind
the scenes.
for peace. Zelenskyy, without doubt, think differently.
By shelling close to the nuclear plant, Zelenskyy is blackmailing European nations to sacrifice more and to give more support to him/Ukraine.
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