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    From A. Filip@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 15 09:41:52 2022
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62544867
    Former Afghan presidents mark anniversary of Taliban rule
    Published 2022-08-15T03:52:19.000Z

    Afghanistan's two former presidents have given wide ranging interviews
    to mark the first anniversary of the fall of the country's capital,
    Kabul, to the Taliban.
    The Islamist insurgents seized the city on 15 August last year amid
    little resistance, as the Western backed government collapsed, and
    national army troops surrendered in their thousands as the Taliban
    rapidly took control. […]

    Would 30 years be enough?

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Mon Aug 15 06:28:52 2022
    On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:41:55 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62544867
    Former Afghan presidents mark anniversary of Taliban rule
    Published 2022-08-15T03:52:19.000Z

    Afghanistan's two former presidents have given wide ranging interviews
    to mark the first anniversary of the fall of the country's capital,
    Kabul, to the Taliban.
    The Islamist insurgents seized the city on 15 August last year amid
    little resistance, as the Western backed government collapsed, and national army troops surrendered in their thousands as the Taliban
    rapidly took control. […]

    Had Afghanistan enjoyed 20 years of democratic freedom or had they suffered
    20 years of Western style democratic incompetence?

    Would 30 years be enough?
    30 years of what?

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 15 16:27:58 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:41:55 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62544867
    Former Afghan presidents mark anniversary of Taliban rule
    Published 2022-08-15T03:52:19.000Z

    Afghanistan's two former presidents have given wide ranging interviews
    to mark the first anniversary of the fall of the country's capital,
    Kabul, to the Taliban.
    The Islamist insurgents seized the city on 15 August last year amid
    little resistance, as the Western backed government collapsed, and
    national army troops surrendered in their thousands as the Taliban
    rapidly took control. […]

    Had Afghanistan enjoyed 20 years of democratic freedom or had they
    suffered 20 years of Western style democratic incompetence?

    Something between. Democracy is not worth too much when citizens are
    not ready/willing to defend it *themselves*.

    Would 30 years be enough?
    30 years of what?

    "Democracy rules in Iraq, U.S. democracy"
    -- saying about Iraq Liberated

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Sun Aug 21 10:56:13 2022
    On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:28:46 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:41:55 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62544867
    Former Afghan presidents mark anniversary of Taliban rule
    Published 2022-08-15T03:52:19.000Z

    Afghanistan's two former presidents have given wide ranging interviews >> > to mark the first anniversary of the fall of the country's capital,
    Kabul, to the Taliban.
    The Islamist insurgents seized the city on 15 August last year amid
    little resistance, as the Western backed government collapsed, and
    national army troops surrendered in their thousands as the Taliban
    rapidly took control. […]

    Had Afghanistan enjoyed 20 years of democratic freedom or had they suffered 20 years of Western style democratic incompetence?

    Something between.
    Democracy is not worth too much when citizens are
    not ready/willing to defend it *themselves*.

    Right on.
    Yet Afghan citizens are a lot more ready/willing to fight as Taliban soldiers.
    Why?
    If one is not too beholden by the "either Democracy or Authoritarinism" dichotomy,
    the answer has to be one of the below:
    1. Afghans are stupid such that they don't appreciate democracy.
    2. Life under Taliban is more democratic and/or democratically hopeful.


    Would 30 years be enough?
    30 years of what?
    "Democracy rules in Iraq, U.S. democracy"
    -- saying about Iraq Liberated
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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 22 07:48:16 2022
    On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:56:15 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    Right on.
    Yet Afghan citizens are a lot more ready/willing to fight as Taliban soldiers.
    Why?
    If one is not too beholden by the "either Democracy or Authoritarinism" dichotomy,
    the answer has to be one of the below:
    1. Afghans are stupid such that they don't appreciate democracy.
    2. Life under Taliban is more democratic and/or democratically hopeful.

    Both are right. Afghans don't appreciate democracy. To their own specifications and definitions, life under Taliban is more democratic, and/or is willing to wait for more democratically hopeful too. Afghans have many factions, and they now after much
    warring at each other can now adjust to meet each other eyeball's expectations.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to stoney on Mon Aug 22 17:34:52 2022
    stoney <papajoe168@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:56:15 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    Right on.
    Yet Afghan citizens are a lot more ready/willing to fight as Taliban soldiers.
    Why?
    If one is not too beholden by the "either Democracy or Authoritarinism" dichotomy,
    the answer has to be one of the below:
    1. Afghans are stupid such that they don't appreciate democracy.
    2. Life under Taliban is more democratic and/or democratically hopeful.

    Both are right. Afghans don't appreciate democracy. To their own specifications and definitions, life under Taliban is more democratic,
    and/or is willing to wait for more democratically hopeful too. Afghans
    have many factions, and they now after much warring at each other can
    now adjust to meet each other eyeball's expectations.

    USA politicians had been too stupid/arrogant to sell democracy properly
    fine tuned to local needs/traditions, hadn't they? 20 years had been
    more than enough for at very least one "big correction".
    <cynicism> Sometimes+ I assume that USA almost intentionally created
    regime incapable to survive without constant USA help. </cynicism>

    Mistakes are forgivable. Remaining in error *for long* is unforgivable.

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