• Re: Thomas Friedman: Why =?utf-8?Q?Pelosi=E2=80=99s?= Visit to Taiwan I

    From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 2 20:04:21 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    "I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she
    does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President
    Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless, dangerous and irresponsible.
    […]
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html

    In *LONG* term shift of US official (formal) position on Taiwan is
    "likely" (quite possible). No earlier "medium *reversible* signals"
    will make it look "not too good". So in short/medium term the question is:
    Will Pelosi's visit cross "point of no return"? IMHO it is unlikely.

    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
    "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 2 20:58:28 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    "I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she
    does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President
    Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless,
    dangerous and irresponsible.
    […]
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html >>
    In *LONG* term shift of US official (formal) position on Taiwan is
    "likely" (quite possible). No earlier "medium *reversible* signals"
    will make it look "not too good". So in short/medium term the question is: >> Will Pelosi's visit cross "point of no return"? IMHO it is unlikely.

    Is Thomas Friedman really that ignorant such that he doesn't know what you write above?
    I, for one, don't believe that. His criticism of Pelosi recklessness is 3 folded. All of them
    rational.

    1) "Nothing good will come of it. Taiwan will not be more secure or more prosperous as a
    result of this purely symbolic visit, and a lot of bad things could happen. "

    Symbols are usually not critical but they may be important.

    2) Timing is wrong.
    "There are moments in international relations when you need to keep your eyes on the prize.
    Today that prize is crystal clear: We must ensure that Ukraine is..."

    Do you expect anytime soon *significant* switch in PRC policies about
    Ukraine and Russia? IMHO It is possible but not too likely.
    In practice the visit may lower chances of PRC taking (slightly) less
    Russia friendly stance.

    3) Were U.S. allies consulted?
    "And if you think our European allies — who are facing an existential war with Russia over
    Ukraine — will join us if there is U.S. conflict with China over
    Taiwan..."

    It looks like _possible_ start of *very slow motion* shift from much
    wider perspective

    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". >> "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the UNGA vote for a reversal?

    From PRC position *official* recognition of Taiwan as an independent
    sovereign country would not be similar magnitude?

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Tue Aug 2 21:13:25 2022
    "A. Filip" <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    "I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she
    does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President
    Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless, >>> > dangerous and irresponsible.
    […]
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html >>>
    In *LONG* term shift of US official (formal) position on Taiwan is
    "likely" (quite possible). No earlier "medium *reversible* signals"
    will make it look "not too good". So in short/medium term the question is: >>> Will Pelosi's visit cross "point of no return"? IMHO it is unlikely.

    Is Thomas Friedman really that ignorant such that he doesn't know what you write above?
    I, for one, don't believe that. His criticism of Pelosi recklessness is 3 folded. All of them
    rational.

    1) "Nothing good will come of it. Taiwan will not be more secure or more prosperous as a
    result of this purely symbolic visit, and a lot of bad things could happen. "

    Symbols are usually not critical but they may be important.

    2) Timing is wrong.
    "There are moments in international relations when you need to keep your eyes on the prize.
    Today that prize is crystal clear: We must ensure that Ukraine is..."

    Do you expect anytime soon *significant* switch in PRC policies about
    Ukraine and Russia? IMHO It is possible but not too likely.
    In practice the visit may lower chances of PRC taking (slightly) less
    Russia friendly stance.

    3) Were U.S. allies consulted?
    "And if you think our European allies — who are facing an existential war with Russia over
    Ukraine — will join us if there is U.S. conflict with China over
    Taiwan..."

    It looks like _possible_ start of *very slow motion* shift from much
    wider perspective

    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". >>> "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by >> both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the >> UNGA vote for a reversal?

    From PRC position *official* recognition of Taiwan as an independent sovereign country would not be similar magnitude?

    Or if you want it another way: The visit may be not "the smartest"
    move but canceling it *NOW* (for nothing) would be even less smart.
    "Sometimes Wrong but Never in Doubt".

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Tue Aug 2 11:37:44 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    "I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she
    does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless, dangerous and irresponsible.
    […]
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html

    In *LONG* term shift of US official (formal) position on Taiwan is
    "likely" (quite possible). No earlier "medium *reversible* signals"
    will make it look "not too good". So in short/medium term the question is: Will Pelosi's visit cross "point of no return"? IMHO it is unlikely.

    Is Thomas Friedman really that ignorant such that he doesn't know what you write above?
    I, for one, don't believe that. His criticism of Pelosi recklessness is 3 folded. All of them
    rational.

    1) "Nothing good will come of it. Taiwan will not be more secure or more prosperous as a
    result of this purely symbolic visit, and a lot of bad things could happen. "

    2) Timing is wrong.
    "There are moments in international relations when you need to keep your eyes on the prize.
    Today that prize is crystal clear: We must ensure that Ukraine is..."

    3) Were U.S. allies consulted?
    "And if you think our European allies — who are facing an existential war with Russia over
    Ukraine — will join us if there is U.S. conflict with China over Taiwan..."


    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the UNGA vote for a reversal?

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 3 18:18:52 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    […]
    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". >> "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the UNGA vote for a reversal?

    ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
    Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Wed Aug 3 09:37:38 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    […]
    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
    "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
    both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the UNGA vote for a reversal?
    ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
    Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)

    Miracle?
    The GA voted ROC out first.
    PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members.

    Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
    22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.
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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 11:00:04 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    […]
    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
    "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
    both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
    UNGA vote for a reversal?
    ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
    Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
    Miracle?
    The GA voted ROC out first.
    PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members.

    Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
    22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.

    Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion, quite different.

    You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not reflect the reality.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Aug 4 09:37:03 2022
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    […]
    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
    "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
    both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
    UNGA vote for a reversal?
    ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
    Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
    Miracle?
    The GA voted ROC out first.
    PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members.

    Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
    22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.

    Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
    quite different.

    You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not
    reflect the reality.

    Is he on the only side with aversion to inconvenient "details"? :-)

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Thu Aug 4 02:59:41 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:37:06 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    […]
    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
    "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
    both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
    UNGA vote for a reversal?
    ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
    Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
    Miracle?
    The GA voted ROC out first.
    PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members. >>
    Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
    22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.

    Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
    quite different.

    You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not
    reflect the reality.
    Is he on the only side with aversion to inconvenient "details"? :-)

    What details?
    Like the obvious fact that the civil war between the PRC and the ROC is
    not yet finished? And there is no cease fire or peace agreement among them?

    Or the detail that the US government acknowledging/agreeing both sides
    belong to ONE CHINA was really dumb?

    Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 4 13:13:05 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:37:06 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    […]
    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
    "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
    both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
    UNGA vote for a reversal?
    ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
    Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
    Miracle?
    The GA voted ROC out first.
    PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members. >> >>
    Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
    22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.

    Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
    quite different.

    You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not
    reflect the reality.
    Is he on the only side with aversion to inconvenient "details"? :-)

    What details?
    Like the obvious fact that the civil war between the PRC and the ROC is
    not yet finished? And there is no cease fire or peace agreement among them?

    Or the detail that the US government acknowledging/agreeing both sides
    belong to ONE CHINA was really dumb?

    Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.

    Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany, British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
    *DOES COUNT*.

    Anyway I agree in significant part with you about US hitting long term consequences of short/medium term driven decision to acknowledge
    "One *PRC* China". Abrupt *official* U-turn would look "awkward".
    Good enough excuses will happen sooner *or later*.

    About Pelosi visit: IMHO It may be driven by internal US politics.
    Attacks on Biden for risking Twain being second Ukraine are likely.
    After the visit such attacks will promote "another democrat (D)".

    --
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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Thu Aug 4 06:17:01 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:37:06 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    […]
    NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
    "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.

    Not rule out.
    But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
    already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
    both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
    UNGA vote for a reversal?
    ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
    Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
    Miracle?
    The GA voted ROC out first.
    PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members.

    Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
    22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.

    Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
    quite different.

    You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not
    reflect the reality.
    Is he on the only side with aversion to inconvenient "details"? :-)

    What details?
    Like the obvious fact that the civil war between the PRC and the ROC is not yet finished? And there is no cease fire or peace agreement among them?

    Or the detail that the US government acknowledging/agreeing both sides belong to ONE CHINA was really dumb?

    Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
    Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany, British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
    *DOES COUNT*.

    Does count toward what?
    Please specify.

    Anyway I agree in significant part with you about US hitting long term consequences of short/medium term driven decision to acknowledge
    "One *PRC* China". Abrupt *official* U-turn would look "awkward".

    Feel free to judge the Nixon administration. Does not change anything.
    that ONE CHINA was the reality then, and it is the reality now. ROC was not recognized by any world power since it was kicked out by the UN. US
    media may have a different spin. But then their readers have been living
    in a bubble.


    Good enough excuses will happen sooner *or later*.

    Good news?
    Who knows? May be nuclear winter is better than global warming.

    About Pelosi visit: IMHO It may be driven by internal US politics.
    Attacks on Biden for risking Twain being second Ukraine are likely.
    After the visit such attacks will promote "another democrat (D)".
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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 4 17:45:42 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    […]
    Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's >> > Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
    Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany, >> British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
    *DOES COUNT*.

    Does count toward what?
    […]

    After 70 years of separation it "may be" time for *formal* divorce.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Thu Aug 4 09:01:27 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    […]
    Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's
    Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
    Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany,
    British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
    *DOES COUNT*.

    Does count toward what?
    […]

    After 70 years of separation it "may be" time for *formal* divorce.

    What formal divorce?
    On America's say so?

    Taiwan is China's Taiwan. People could certainly emigrate to elsewhere
    if they don't want be part of One China.

    Anyway, it is China's internal affair.


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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 4 20:22:55 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    […]
    Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's
    Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
    Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany,
    British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
    *DOES COUNT*.

    Does count toward what?
    […]

    After 70 years of separation it "may be" time for *formal* divorce.

    What formal divorce?
    On America's say so?

    Taiwan is China's Taiwan. People could certainly emigrate to elsewhere
    if they don't want be part of One China.

    Anyway, it is China's internal affair.

    It is *your* opinion/position. I do not share it "fully".
    Are you eager to stress/break test it?

    Do you really expect majority pf the world to support
    one PRC China ruled nu communist party up to integration
    by military invasion?

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Fri Aug 5 03:49:13 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    […]
    Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's
    Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
    Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany,
    British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation" >> >> *DOES COUNT*.

    Does count toward what?
    […]

    After 70 years of separation it "may be" time for *formal* divorce.

    What formal divorce?
    On America's say so?

    Taiwan is China's Taiwan. People could certainly emigrate to elsewhere
    if they don't want be part of One China.

    Anyway, it is China's internal affair.
    It is *your* opinion/position. I do not share it "fully".
    Are you eager to stress/break test it?

    Stress/break test is ongoing for decades.
    One China is successful everyday there is peace across the Strait.

    Do you really expect majority pf the world to support
    one PRC China ruled nu communist party up to integration
    by military invasion?

    No need to bring in the world.
    The issue is nowadays is which nation wants to see military operation
    over the Taiwan Strait. Taiwan is doing fine under One China.

    "Taiwan, unlike what some media suggest, isn’t the most dangerous place
    on Earth. Taiwan’s economy and the relatively free movement of people and goods with China indicate a high level of mutual dependence. People in
    Taiwan aren’t fretting over China’s threats; they are likely more concerned
    about inflation than a military attack."

    The obvious TRUTH is that the US wants to use Taiwan as a tool to weaken China. Because one party China is rising. Western and American democracy
    is in deep trouble.

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