• Re: Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China

    From bmoore@21:1/5 to David P. on Thu Jul 28 10:58:03 2022
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And indeed the
    native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s total,
    though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.

    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 28 10:16:23 2022
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And indeed the
    native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s total,
    though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.

    Many Uyghurs yearn for a return to an independent East Turkestan, but such aspirations are strikingly absent in the writings of Ilham Tohti, a 52-year-old economics professor who has been a fearless advocate for his people. His only demand from Beijing
    is for a full grant of autonomy to the Uyghurs under the terms of China’s constitution and for an end to the vassal-like subordination of Uyghurs by the Han Chinese. The government should “see to it that local people are treated equally,” he wrote
    in a piece published in 2007 on Uyghur Online, a now-defunct website he founded to “help all ethnic groups in China—as well as the world—understand Xinjiang and the Uyghurs.”

    This demand for autonomy and dignity within the Chinese state—stubbornly expressed and quietly eloquent—is voiced often in “We Uyghurs Have No Say,” a slim volume of Mr. Tohti’s essays, speeches, open letters and interviews. And yet: Despite
    never asking for sovereignty for the Uyghurs, he was charged with “separatism”—a most heinous crime in China—and sentenced to life imprisonment in September 2014.

    Mr. Tohti, jailed now for eight years, has come to be known as the “Chinese Mandela.” The People’s Daily, a propaganda rag of the Chinese Communist Party, ran a piece about him titled “Mandela Analogy Shows Ignorance of History,” in which it
    asserted that Mr. Tohti “preaches hatred and killing.” In a preface to Mr. Tohti’s book, Rian Thum, a senior lecturer in East Asian History at the University of Manchester, pushes back, writing that the comparison with Mandela captures Mr. Tohti’
    s “magnanimity, his patience, his moral gravity, and his unfathomable courage in the face of brutal imprisonment.” He also argues that Mr. Tohti is not a politician or an activist but a scholar.

    Whether politico or professor, Mr. Tohti phrases his demands as unprovocatively as possible. Mr. Thum notes that he “offers up narratives of a generous [Communist] party and a just Chinese nation-state,” narratives that would permit them to “
    gracefully compromise without ceding power.” In an essay from 2011 in which Mr. Tohti sets out his ideals, he writes of his “hope” that China will become “a great nation of harmonious inter-ethnic coexistence.” In the same essay, he proposes
    that July 5—notorious in China as the day in 2009 on which bloody riots erupted in Xinjiang between native Uyghurs and Han settlers—be marked as “National Harmony Day.” Remarkably, in a statement he made hours after he was given his life sentence,
    he said that he still lived “in anticipation of the sun and the future. I am convinced that China will become better and that the constitutional rights of the Uyghur people will, one day, be honored.”

    Mr. Tohti is being held in the First Prison in Urumqi, Xinjiang’s capital. No member of his family has been allowed to visit him since 2017. Jewher Ilham, Mr. Tohti’s 28-year-old daughter, lives in the U.S., having boarded a flight out of Beijing in
    2013 that her father was kept from taking. She hasn’t seen him since that day, and a Skype call in January 2014 was the last time she was able to speak to him. “I don’t know how my father is,” she tells me in a phone call from Washington. Only “
    rumors,” she says, offer her any sense of how he’s doing.

    Why has China imprisoned a man so conciliatory, who makes plain that he doesn’t seek its breakup? Nury Turkel, a commissioner at the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, offers an answer. Beijing, he writes in “No Escape: The True
    Story of China’s Genocide of the Uyghurs,” has learned a lesson from Tibet, another “autonomous” region China annexed against the will of its natives. It has been “extremely bad PR to have an outspoken and respected” leader like the Dalai
    Lama reminding the world of “the tragedy that has befallen his people.” While Mr. Tohti isn’t the spiritual head of the Uyghurs in any sense, his impeccable reasonableness—and his deference to China’s constitution, hardly the way of a
    subversive—made him dangerous on the world stage.

    So Mr. Tohti had to be silenced, writes Mr. Turkel, himself a Uyghur and the first Uyghur-American to rise to a political position in the U.S. He styles his book a “memoir,” but his own hair-raising story is only one of many he tells. He was born in
    1970, in a prison camp, his pregnant mother—only 19—having been imprisoned because her father had been involved in Uyghur politics before the Communists took power. She was so ill-fed in jail that she could scarcely breastfeed her son. Before giving
    birth, she had been hit on her swollen belly by a guard.

    Mr. Turkel did well at school and at age 25—in 1995—left China for studies in the U.S., never to return. He went to law school and cofounded the Uyghur Human Rights Project, an advocacy group based in Washington. After 9/11, he represented a group of
    Uyghurs who had been swept up by U.S. forces in Afghanistan and sent to Guantanamo. He secured their release: They were, it emerged, refugees from Xinjiang, not members of al Qaeda. But Mr. Turkel grasped that this handful of Uyghurs in the U.S. dragnet
    allowed China to “rebrand Uyghurs as dangerous Islamic extremists.” Beijing began to assert that all political disturbances in Xinjiang were, as he says, “motivated by Al Qaeda sympathies.” China reckoned that this would give it carte blanche—
    in the midst of the Global War on Terror—to crack down on the Muslim Uyghurs.

    And so a people already reeling from decades of Han Chinese repression were brought to their knees. Mr. Turkel’s book is a harrowing mix of factual detail and depictions of everyday life. As with Tibet, Xinjiang was subject not to ethnic cleansing but
    to a form of ethnic dilution or dissolution, the result of a concerted policy to “settle” the region with Han Chinese. The settling was begun by Mao in 1949. By 1975, there were five million Han in Xinjiang. Today, Mr. Turkel says, there are 11
    million Uyghur and 8.2 million Han. And as Han numbers soar, the state does everything—including forced sterilizations—to suppress the Uyghur birth rate.

    Xinjiang, Mr. Turkel writes, is a totalitarian amalgam of the North Korean police state, Nazi-style concentration camps—credibly believed to hold a million Uyghurs, subjected to torture and “re-education”—South Africa-like apartheid, and China’
    s own Cultural Revolution. Four-fifths of Xinjiang’s mosques have been razed or damaged in a drive against the Islamist phantom. With the Uyghur language no longer taught in schools and Mandarin now mandatory, Mr. Turkel mourns the deleting of a
    culture.

    Surveillance, both crude and high-tech, is suffocating. In a program called “Becoming Family,” the state houses supervisors in Uyghur homes. They must be fed and offered beds to sleep in. They watch the families at work and at rest, taking notes as
    well as liberties—often demanding sexual favors and forcing Muslim men to drink alcohol. He writes of a schoolteacher whose marriage ended when a supervisor raped her in her own house and her husband felt powerless to intervene. Alongside this, says Mr.
    Turkel, Xinjiang has become a vast laboratory for China to “perfect the art of digital dictatorship, a new kind of AI totalitarian state.”

    Mr. Turkel acknowledges U.S. efforts to curb the horrors in Xinjiang. He gives thanks to Mike Pompeo, President Trump’s secretary of state, for designating as “genocide” the Chinese policies of repression there. And he notes that President Biden
    signed into law the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act. This bans the import into the U.S. of products made in, or containing materials from, Xinjiang, unless they can be shown to have been produced without “forced labor.” But no other countries have
    followed suit. China, the world’s second largest economy, is much harder to sanction than Russia.

    “No Escape” leaves us with a sense of bleak foreboding, just as “We Uyghurs Have No Say” teaches us how powerless the Uyghurs are. China’s vultures aren’t circling over a prostrate people, they are perched alongside them, pecking at their
    eyes and tongues, pecking, indeed, at their very hearts.

    Mr. Varadarajan, a Journal contributor, is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and at Columbia University’s Center on Capitalism and Society.

    Appeared in the July 16, 2022, print edition as 'How to Delete a Culture'. -------------
    Conversation [4 Comments]
    M Fong, 16 July, 2022
    The name Xinjiang originated in the 18th century when the region was conquered by the Qing empire.
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    ROGER ROTHENBERGER, 16 July, 2022
    I worked in China from 2006~2008 in the north central area 200 miles from Inner Mongolia. There was one of the construction units on the High Speed Rail we were building headquartered in this area. I knew about Tibet but not about the Uyghurs. Thank you
    for this informative and tragic story. The Chinese like all people have a wide variety of political beliefs. At site visits we often discussed politics with the local construction company leaders who often had critical things to say about the government.
    Liberty and freedom is a precious thing and much more fragile than people realize or for which people are willing to fight. Ukraine is a place we should be taking on this battle for freedom and liberty.
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    Bill Hestir, 15 July, 2022
    Thank you Mr. Varadarajan for continuing to publicize the imprisonment of the Uighur people and the courageous efforts of the author Nury Turkel and the Uighur leaders like Mr. Ilham Tohti who are opposing the Chinese Communist genocide being carried
    out on the Uighurs in western China.
    --------
    Joel McLemore, 15 July, 2022
    The evil that is the Chinese leadership will not abate without a forceful confrontation.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-books-decry-the-uyghur-tragedy-in-china-review-ilhan-tohti-nury-turkel-11657897576

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sun Jul 31 02:56:02 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And indeed the
    native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s total,
    though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.

    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in May
    2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to stoney on Sun Jul 31 08:44:01 2022
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And indeed
    the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s total,
    though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in
    May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too.

    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.

    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sun Jul 31 21:49:38 2022
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And indeed
    the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s total,
    though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in
    May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to stoney on Mon Aug 1 07:58:04 2022
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And
    indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s
    total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner
    in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..

    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Aug 1 10:50:23 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And
    indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s
    total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.

    He wrote the article on the book.

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  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Aug 1 10:51:53 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And
    indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s
    total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.

    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to stoney on Mon Aug 1 11:05:24 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And
    indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s
    total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.

    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Aug 1 11:36:00 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan. And
    indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China’s
    total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.

    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Aug 1 13:49:13 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan.
    And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China
    s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.

    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to stoney on Tue Aug 2 14:31:35 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East Turkestan.
    And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1% of China
    s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.

    Good.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Aug 4 02:51:19 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.

    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to stoney on Thu Aug 4 07:14:58 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.

    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:

    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in
    May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"

    You should try to be smarter in your responses.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Aug 4 08:19:40 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human
    right commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.
    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:
    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in
    May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"
    You should try to be smarter in your responses.

    Nah, you nick picked; the context is there of the writer. One don't write and cut from the brain.. with no edit...as we don't need to be edited by WSJ. Don't be a stupid goon when you have nothing in the know on China and Taiwan. Have you ever lived and
    worked in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Middle east, US, Canada, Australia, UK and EU? You will never learn if you talk nonsense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Aug 4 09:11:58 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human
    right commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.
    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:
    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in
    May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"
    You should try to be smarter in your responses.

    this is verbatim writing. dud.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Aug 4 09:21:03 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human
    right commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.
    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:
    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in
    May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"
    You should try to be smarter in your responses.

    This is verbatim is meant to write as we speak in the flow of thoughts, with no commas, stops, exclamation, no spell check, too. This is a forum and not a statement or report. Goon.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Aug 4 14:19:34 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human
    right commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.
    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:
    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner in
    May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"
    You should try to be smarter in your responses.

    This is conversational. You should learn to know what is conversational forum. Goon

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to stoney on Thu Aug 4 16:15:30 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 8:19:42 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human
    right commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.
    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:
    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner
    in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"
    You should try to be smarter in your responses.
    Nah, you nick picked; the context is there of the writer. One don't write and cut from the brain.. with no edit...as we don't need to be edited by WSJ. Don't be a stupid goon when you have nothing in the know on China and Taiwan. Have you ever lived
    and worked in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Middle east, US, Canada, Australia, UK and EU? You will never learn if you talk nonsense.

    Work in the US. Used to work in Taiwan. So don't be lecturing.

    Hsinchu.

    You've never been to TW, right?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stoney@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Aug 4 19:24:49 2022
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 7:15:32 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 8:19:42 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called East
    Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less than 1%
    of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human
    right commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.
    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:
    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right commissioner
    in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"
    You should try to be smarter in your responses.
    Nah, you nick picked; the context is there of the writer. One don't write and cut from the brain.. with no edit...as we don't need to be edited by WSJ. Don't be a stupid goon when you have nothing in the know on China and Taiwan. Have you ever lived
    and worked in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Middle east, US, Canada, Australia, UK and EU? You will never learn if you talk nonsense.
    Work in the US. Used to work in Taiwan. So don't be lecturing.

    Hsinchu.

    You've never been to TW, right?

    Hsinchu. No need to tell you so much and to your shallowness, too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to stoney on Fri Aug 5 06:59:01 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:24:51 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 7:15:32 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 8:19:42 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:31:37 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:36:02 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:58:05 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 9:49:39 PM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:44:02 PM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 2:56:04 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:58:05 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
    Two Books Decry the Uyghur Tragedy in China
    By Tunku Varadarajan, July 15, 2022, WSJ

    The name Xinjiang was slapped on the Uyghur homeland in 1884, after its conquest by China’s last imperial dynasty. Located in the vastness of Central Asia, closer to Kashmir than Beijing, the region used to be called
    East Turkestan. And indeed the native Uyghurs—who are Turkic Muslims—detest the name Xinjiang, which derives from a Han Chinese word for “New Border Region.” This region makes up a sixth of the map of China. Its population, by contrast, is less
    than 1% of China’s total, though the Uyghurs endure a disproportionate share of the country’s suffering.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.

    China wants land. They care little about the inhabitants.
    How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN
    human right commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe
    Wrong again, Stonedy.

    The 2 books were written by Uyghurs, one of whom is serving a life sentence in China.
    The Uyghurs in East Turkestan have been treated horribly by the PRC, and the PRC government lies about it. It's true, no matter what the bullshitters say.
    Your cock brain. Read properly. It referred to the writer of the article is a Indian per se..
    Stonedy, you said "Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, too".

    But he didn't write the books. He wrote the article.

    Don't lie, Stonedy.
    Since he wrote this article he is liable for the defamatory and libels, too.
    So you admit that he didn't write the books, as you originally claimed.
    If you will be honest, then we can have a real conversation.
    Correction: it is article that referred to, not books.
    Good.
    The entirety is clearly on his article and not on the books but you chose to be nick picked. It is about him and not the book. Goon.
    It's not nitpicking, given that the author of ones of the books is serving a life sentence in a PRC jail. Your misleading statement below:
    "How could this Indian writer had never been to China and never been to Xinjiang and never seen how those Uyghurs were undergoing national education and trade vocational training as they were also visited and seen by the UN human right
    commissioner in May 2022. Since he wrote the books, he will be liable to answer to the authorities for libel and defamatory, tooe"
    You should try to be smarter in your responses.
    Nah, you nick picked; the context is there of the writer. One don't write and cut from the brain.. with no edit...as we don't need to be edited by WSJ. Don't be a stupid goon when you have nothing in the know on China and Taiwan. Have you ever
    lived and worked in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Middle east, US, Canada, Australia, UK and EU? You will never learn if you talk nonsense.
    Work in the US. Used to work in Taiwan. So don't be lecturing.

    Hsinchu.

    You've never been to TW, right?
    Hsinchu. No need to tell you so much and to your shallowness, too.

    I also spent a lot of time in Taipei. And a few small towns.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)