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    From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Jedi Master on Thu Jun 16 10:22:21 2022
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:10:59 PM UTC-4, Jedi Master wrote:
    A huge collection of data including images linked to China’s mistreatment of Uighurs and other ethnic minorities has been handed to the BBC.

    The information was hacked from Chinese police computers. It includes evidence of a shoot-to-kill policy for anyone trying to escape from so-called “re-education” camps in the western region of Xinjiang.

    Over the past few years more than a million Uighurs are believed to have been detained in the camps and made to undertake forced labour.

    China denies claims of torture and carrying out forced sterilisations and abortions. It says claims that Uighurs are being mistreated and made to undertake forced labour are “entirely fabricated”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTp54QwxV8U

    Nah. Uighurs are doing fine in Xinjiang and other parts of China.
    China is well known for its border. China is China, "The Middle Kingdom"
    in Chinese because its well established border. Every border exists to separate US from THEM. Chinese government's responsibility is to
    protect the US from THEM. In contrast, the US was driven by the
    ever-expanding and rule-less frontier fully intended to destroy and to
    kill.

    https://www.supersummary.com/the-end-of-the-myth-from-the-frontier-to-the-border-wall-in-the-mind-of-america/summary/

    "A unique feature of American history is that while every country has always had borders,
    “only the United States has had a frontier.” This frontier has moved over the course of
    history: first across the American continent from the Alleghenies to the Mississippi to the West Coast,
    and from there across the globe in a series of imperialist wars, finally becoming an abstract
    vision of an ever-expanding global market managed by U.S. corporations and secured by the U.S.
    Army. Throughout this trajectory, Grandin argues, the frontier has been advanced by racialized and
    often genocidal violence. This violence has usually created or sustained yet more racial violence at
    home, behind the frontier.

    Grandin finds the origins of this narrative in the Founding Fathers, for whom religious and political
    freedom was inseparable from genocidal violence against Native Americans. He argues that George
    Washington, like many of his fellow revolutionaries, was motivated by the desire to seize lands beyond
    the Alleghenies—forbidden by the British government—as much as by the pursuit of liberty. When the
    fledgling American state began to move westwards, the genocide of native people was again the
    inevitable accompaniment.

    By the nineteenth century, the reality of expansion at the frontier had entered American political mythology.
    Thomas Jefferson declared that the continent had “room enough for our descendants to the thousandth
    and thousandth generation,” ... The constant shadow of this policy was more genocide on the frontier,
    and more racial violence behind the frontier, as non-white Americans were denied any share in the continent’s
    wealth.

    This westward expansion soon took America to its southwest border. Under slaveholding President Andrew
    Jackson, this border became a moving frontier, eventually incorporating half of Mexico. Genocidal violence,
    rape, and torture were central strategies of the advancing U.S. Army. The Mexicans who became Mexican-
    Americans found themselves immediately subject to the racial violence that had become normalized in a
    nation already “becoming inured to its brutality and accustomed to a unique prerogative: its ability to organize
    politics around the constant promise of constant, endless expansion.”

    Grandin offers a detailed analysis of the work of late-nineteenth-century historian Frederick Jackson Turner, who
    first formulated the “frontier thesis” of American history. Only three years after the massacre at Wounded Knee,
    Turner declared the frontier closed, overlooking the history of violence to argue instead that pushing back the
    frontier had forged Americans into an individualistic and self-reliant people, a model democratic citizenry who
    could set an example to the whole world. Grandin sees Turner as the forerunner of contemporary liberals: the
    cheerleaders for globalized trade who see no contradiction between this and the ever-stricter immigration policies
    of twentieth-century presidents.

    The closing of the continental frontier coincided—not, Grandin suggests, coincidentally—with the rise of radical
    labor and populists movements in America. The response was to look overseas for a new frontier. Teddy Roosevelt
    and Woodrow Wilson began the march of American imperialism, which took the frontier to Cuba, Haiti, the Philippines,
    the D.R., and Nicaragua. Hundreds of thousands died. In America, this violence was seen not as conquest but as the
    spread of American democracy.

    Grandin shows that this expansion, too, was characterized by racialized violence both on the new frontier and behind
    it. He recounts examples of U.S. Army veterans who returned from these campaigns to violently overthrow progressive
    movements in America, reviving the Ku Klux Klan and instituting “relentless race terror” in the U.S.

    During this period, Grandin argues, the first signs of our present-day impasse appeared. The border with Mexico became
    a “negation of the frontier,” the “repository of the racism and brutality that the frontier was said…to leave behind.” Grandin
    recounts the series of political maneuvers by which Mexican socialism was overthrown and Mexico turned into a pool of
    reserve labor, first for Californian farmers and later for U.S. industrialists as they moved their factories south of the border.


    In the 1990s, the border became abstract, as successive governments pushed to spread American-style liberal capitalism
    across the globe. The myth of endless prosperity was kept alive by the claim that the entire global population could one day
    enjoy American levels of wealth. In reality, American military and economic interventions resulted in more than a million
    deaths as warfare and chaos spread through the Middle East.

    The claim that American prosperity can expand throughout the world, Grandin concludes, had been exposed as the myth it
    always was. No one now believes that U.S. expansionism will spread anything but war, or that infinite growth is possible in a
    finitely resourced world. Grandin suggests that finally, deprived of a new frontier, America can no longer push “extremism to
    the fringe” of its territory. Instead, the long-deferred conflicts must be resolved, even if they become “all-consuming and self-
    devouring.” Hence, President Trump’s border wall."

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 16 17:21:27 2022
    On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 10:22:24 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:10:59 PM UTC-4, Jedi Master wrote:
    A huge collection of data including images linked to China’s mistreatment of Uighurs and other ethnic minorities has been handed to the BBC.

    The information was hacked from Chinese police computers. It includes evidence of a shoot-to-kill policy for anyone trying to escape from so-called “re-education” camps in the western region of Xinjiang.

    Over the past few years more than a million Uighurs are believed to have been detained in the camps and made to undertake forced labour.

    China denies claims of torture and carrying out forced sterilisations and abortions. It says claims that Uighurs are being mistreated and made to undertake forced labour are “entirely fabricated”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTp54QwxV8U
    Nah.

    "Nah".

    China harvests organs from living people, oppresses it citizens etc. But if you just say "nah" then everything is OK.

    Nah.

    Uighurs are doing fine in Xinjiang and other parts of China.
    China is well known for its border. China is China, "The Middle Kingdom"
    in Chinese because its well established border. Every border exists to separate US from THEM. Chinese government's responsibility is to
    protect the US from THEM. In contrast, the US was driven by the ever-expanding and rule-less frontier fully intended to destroy and to
    kill.

    https://www.supersummary.com/the-end-of-the-myth-from-the-frontier-to-the-border-wall-in-the-mind-of-america/summary/

    "A unique feature of American history is that while every country has always had borders,
    “only the United States has had a frontier.” This frontier has moved over the course of
    history: first across the American continent from the Alleghenies to the Mississippi to the West Coast,
    and from there across the globe in a series of imperialist wars, finally becoming an abstract
    vision of an ever-expanding global market managed by U.S. corporations and secured by the U.S.
    Army. Throughout this trajectory, Grandin argues, the frontier has been advanced by racialized and
    often genocidal violence. This violence has usually created or sustained yet more racial violence at
    home, behind the frontier.

    Grandin finds the origins of this narrative in the Founding Fathers, for whom religious and political
    freedom was inseparable from genocidal violence against Native Americans. He argues that George
    Washington, like many of his fellow revolutionaries, was motivated by the desire to seize lands beyond
    the Alleghenies—forbidden by the British government—as much as by the pursuit of liberty. When the
    fledgling American state began to move westwards, the genocide of native people was again the
    inevitable accompaniment.

    By the nineteenth century, the reality of expansion at the frontier had entered American political mythology.
    Thomas Jefferson declared that the continent had “room enough for our descendants to the thousandth
    and thousandth generation,” ... The constant shadow of this policy was more genocide on the frontier,
    and more racial violence behind the frontier, as non-white Americans were denied any share in the continent’s
    wealth.

    This westward expansion soon took America to its southwest border. Under slaveholding President Andrew
    Jackson, this border became a moving frontier, eventually incorporating half of Mexico. Genocidal violence,
    rape, and torture were central strategies of the advancing U.S. Army. The Mexicans who became Mexican-
    Americans found themselves immediately subject to the racial violence that had become normalized in a
    nation already “becoming inured to its brutality and accustomed to a unique prerogative: its ability to organize
    politics around the constant promise of constant, endless expansion.”

    Grandin offers a detailed analysis of the work of late-nineteenth-century historian Frederick Jackson Turner, who
    first formulated the “frontier thesis” of American history. Only three years after the massacre at Wounded Knee,
    Turner declared the frontier closed, overlooking the history of violence to argue instead that pushing back the
    frontier had forged Americans into an individualistic and self-reliant people, a model democratic citizenry who
    could set an example to the whole world. Grandin sees Turner as the forerunner of contemporary liberals: the
    cheerleaders for globalized trade who see no contradiction between this and the ever-stricter immigration policies
    of twentieth-century presidents.

    The closing of the continental frontier coincided—not, Grandin suggests, coincidentally—with the rise of radical
    labor and populists movements in America. The response was to look overseas for a new frontier. Teddy Roosevelt
    and Woodrow Wilson began the march of American imperialism, which took the frontier to Cuba, Haiti, the Philippines,
    the D.R., and Nicaragua. Hundreds of thousands died. In America, this violence was seen not as conquest but as the
    spread of American democracy.

    Grandin shows that this expansion, too, was characterized by racialized violence both on the new frontier and behind
    it. He recounts examples of U.S. Army veterans who returned from these campaigns to violently overthrow progressive
    movements in America, reviving the Ku Klux Klan and instituting “relentless race terror” in the U.S.

    During this period, Grandin argues, the first signs of our present-day impasse appeared. The border with Mexico became
    a “negation of the frontier,” the “repository of the racism and brutality that the frontier was said…to leave behind.” Grandin
    recounts the series of political maneuvers by which Mexican socialism was overthrown and Mexico turned into a pool of
    reserve labor, first for Californian farmers and later for U.S. industrialists as they moved their factories south of the border.


    In the 1990s, the border became abstract, as successive governments pushed to spread American-style liberal capitalism
    across the globe. The myth of endless prosperity was kept alive by the claim that the entire global population could one day
    enjoy American levels of wealth. In reality, American military and economic interventions resulted in more than a million
    deaths as warfare and chaos spread through the Middle East.

    The claim that American prosperity can expand throughout the world, Grandin concludes, had been exposed as the myth it
    always was. No one now believes that U.S. expansionism will spread anything but war, or that infinite growth is possible in a
    finitely resourced world. Grandin suggests that finally, deprived of a new frontier, America can no longer push “extremism to
    the fringe” of its territory. Instead, the long-deferred conflicts must be resolved, even if they become “all-consuming and self-
    devouring.” Hence, President Trump’s border wall."

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to alien on Fri Jun 17 11:51:21 2022
    On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 10:09:15 PM UTC-7, alien wrote:
    On 12 Jun 2022 at 23:10:57 CEST, "Jedi Master" <cyberne...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    A huge collection of data including images linked to China’s mistreatment of
    Uighurs and other ethnic minorities has been handed to the BBC.

    The information was hacked from Chinese police computers. It includes evidence
    of a shoot-to-kill policy for anyone trying to escape from so-called “re-education” camps in the western region of Xinjiang.

    Over the past few years more than a million Uighurs are believed to have been
    detained in the camps and made to undertake forced labour.

    China denies claims of torture and carrying out forced sterilisations and abortions. It says claims that Uighurs are being mistreated and made to undertake forced labour are “entirely fabricated”.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTp54QwxV8U>
    too bad that the site
    <https://xinjiangpolicefiles.org/>
    is down more than a week according to it is down

    Works ok for me.

    <https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/xinjiangpolicefiles.org.html>
    but you can still access it with <archive.org> <https://web.archive.org/web/20220524153656/https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/>
    too bad though it is not all the data is saved with the archive, there is a lot of data missing.
    So while waiting for the site is accessible you can still use the archive.

    Oh well once it is on the internet, it will be hard to take it down.
    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to Jedi Master on Fri Jun 17 20:46:20 2022
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 9:10:59 PM UTC, Jedi Master wrote:
    A huge collection of data including images linked to China’s mistreatment of Uighurs and other ethnic minorities has been handed to the BBC.

    The information was hacked from Chinese police computers. It includes evidence of a shoot-to-kill policy for anyone trying to escape from so-called “re-education” camps in the western region of Xinjiang.

    Over the past few years more than a million Uighurs are believed to have been detained in the camps and made to undertake forced labour.

    China denies claims of torture and carrying out forced sterilisations and abortions. It says claims that Uighurs are being mistreated and made to undertake forced labour are “entirely fabricated”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTp54QwxV8U

    This time its hacked files.
    Before this there were leaked official documents, leaked emails, leak from bio lab.
    the truth is that the arseholes of those working for the BBC are leaking shit.

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