"To build that future, we must defend and reform the rules-based international order – the system of laws, agreements, principles, and institutions that the world came together to build after two world wars to manage relations between states, to
prevent conflict, to uphold the rights of all people. ]

Unless we are all living in real Utopia, there are historical issues to be resolved. And because of these historical issues, any world order must be dynamic and flexible to accommodate people's legitimate dream. History may end. But people's dream will
not. World order exist to facilitate people to fulfill their dreams, individually and collectively. Not the other way around.

Taiwan is one of such historical issues. China had civil war between the PRC and the ROC. Chinese people had made their choice. They were and they are on the side of the PRC. And they see Taiwan as part of China. Reunification is therefore a Chinese
people's dream.

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On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:

"To build that future, we must defend and reform the rules-based international order – the system of laws, agreements, principles, and institutions that the world came together to build after two world wars to manage relations between states, to

prevent conflict, to uphold the rights of all people. ]

Unless we are all living in real Utopia, there are historical issues to be resolved. And because of these historical issues, any world order must be dynamic and flexible to accommodate people's legitimate dream. History may end. But people's dream will

not. World order exist to facilitate people to fulfill their dreams, individually and collectively. Not the other way around.

Taiwan is one of such historical issues. China had civil war between the PRC and the ROC. Chinese people had made their choice. They were and they are on the side of the PRC. And they see Taiwan as part of China. Reunification is therefore a Chinese

people's dream.


"We’ve built a global economy that lifted billions of people out of poverty. We’ve advanced human rights as never before."
https://www.state.gov/the-administrations-approach-to-the-peoples-republic-of-china/

The US is certainly a member of the "We" above. Regarding China, the question remains to be answered:
Is the global economy that lift hundred of millions of people out of poverty BECAUSE of the US or
DESPITE US attempts to suppress Chinese development.

"In China’s effort to study foreign economic experiences, no institution played a role that could compare in
importance with that played by the World Bank, and in no other country did the World Bank play a role as
large as it did in China. In 1980, when mainland China replaced Taiwan as the Chinese member of the
World Bank, the president of the bank, Robert McNamara, visited Beijing to pave the way in developing the
new relationship. McNamara, declaring that the World Bank would not be a truly World Bank without China,
resisted pressures from the U.S. government to slow the entry of China into the bank. This independence
on McNamara’s part gave Chinese officials, who at the time were still worried about nations using China for
their own purposes, more confidence that the World Bank did not represent the interests of any single country."
(Deng xiaoping and the Transformation of China by Ezra Vogel)

Did the US not politicize China Poverty Reduction effort which led to World Bank Directors to stop the program
in China despite World Bank experts had thoroughly studied all relevant issues? Why is China's voting power in
IMF, World Bank, and the Asian Development Bank are still restricted?

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On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:08:06 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:

"To build that future, we must defend and reform the rules-based international order – the system of laws, agreements, principles, and institutions that the world came together to build after two world wars to manage relations between states, to

prevent conflict, to uphold the rights of all people. ]

Unless we are all living in real Utopia, there are historical issues to be resolved. And because of these historical issues, any world order must be dynamic and flexible to accommodate people's legitimate dream. History may end. But people's dream

will not. World order exist to facilitate people to fulfill their dreams, individually and collectively. Not the other way around.

Taiwan is one of such historical issues. China had civil war between the PRC and the ROC. Chinese people had made their choice. They were and they are on the side of the PRC. And they see Taiwan as part of China. Reunification is therefore a Chinese

people's dream.

"We’ve built a global economy that lifted billions of people out of poverty. We’ve advanced human rights as never before."
https://www.state.gov/the-administrations-approach-to-the-peoples-republic-of-china/

The US is certainly a member of the "We" above. Regarding China, the question remains to be answered:
Is the global economy that lift hundred of millions of people out of poverty BECAUSE of the US or
DESPITE US attempts to suppress Chinese development.

It's neither. It's primarily because of the successful work of the PRC government and the Chinese people. No shit, Sherlock.

We need to compete in a mutually beneficial way.

"In China’s effort to study foreign economic experiences, no institution played a role that could compare in
importance with that played by the World Bank, and in no other country did the World Bank play a role as
large as it did in China. In 1980, when mainland China replaced Taiwan as the Chinese member of the
World Bank, the president of the bank, Robert McNamara, visited Beijing to pave the way in developing the
new relationship. McNamara, declaring that the World Bank would not be a truly World Bank without China,
resisted pressures from the U.S. government to slow the entry of China into the bank. This independence
on McNamara’s part gave Chinese officials, who at the time were still worried about nations using China for
their own purposes, more confidence that the World Bank did not represent the interests of any single country."
(Deng xiaoping and the Transformation of China by Ezra Vogel)

Did the US not politicize China Poverty Reduction effort which led to World Bank Directors to stop the program
in China despite World Bank experts had thoroughly studied all relevant issues? Why is China's voting power in
IMF, World Bank, and the Asian Development Bank are still restricted?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:

"To build that future, we must defend and reform the rules-based international order – the system of laws, agreements, principles, and institutions that the world came together to build after two world wars to manage relations between states, to

prevent conflict, to uphold the rights of all people. ]

Unless we are all living in real Utopia, there are historical issues to be resolved. And because of these historical issues, any world order must be dynamic and flexible to accommodate people's legitimate dream. History may end. But people's dream will

not. World order exist to facilitate people to fulfill their dreams, individually and collectively. Not the other way around.

Taiwan is one of such historical issues. China had civil war between the PRC and the ROC. Chinese people had made their choice. They were and they are on the side of the PRC. And they see Taiwan as part of China. Reunification is therefore a Chinese

people's dream.

"That’s why we’ve put diplomacy back at the center of American foreign policy, to help us realize the future that Americans and people around the world seek – one where technology is used to lift people up, not suppress them; where trade and
commerce support workers, raise incomes, create opportunity; where universal human rights are respected; countries are secure from coercion and aggression, and people, ideas, goods, and capital move freely; and where nations can both forge their own
paths and work together effectively in common cause.

To build that future, we must defend and reform the rules-based international order – the system of laws, agreements, principles, and institutions that the world came together to build after two world wars to manage relations between states, to prevent
conflict, to uphold the rights of all people."

Before seeking the future, one must be able to see the future. Else it is not seeking, it is stumbling into the future.
What is the future the US sees?

Twice during the last century, the US watched and then participated in the great conflagrations in Europe.
WWI was a failure in balance of power among European nations. In response, President Woodrow Wilson
pioneered collective security WITHOUT pre-selected target through the League of Nations. This approach also
failed because of various reasons. The new approach was collective security WITH pre-selected target. Viola,
the birth of Cold War 1.0. With a Nato dominated by the US and with China on the US side, the former USSR
collapsed and there was no WWIII.

But if the US continues to see collective security WITH pre-selected target, there would be Cold War 2.0.
Cold War 3.0 if we are lucky to get pass Cold War 2.0 without nuclear war. Or we would have nuclear winter
instead of global warming. It is really no any kind of future wanted.

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On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:08:06 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:

"To build that future, we must defend and reform the rules-based international order – the system of laws, agreements, principles, and institutions that the world came together to build after two world wars to manage relations between states, to

prevent conflict, to uphold the rights of all people. ]

Unless we are all living in real Utopia, there are historical issues to be resolved. And because of these historical issues, any world order must be dynamic and flexible to accommodate people's legitimate dream. History may end. But people's dream

will not. World order exist to facilitate people to fulfill their dreams, individually and collectively. Not the other way around.

Taiwan is one of such historical issues. China had civil war between the PRC and the ROC. Chinese people had made their choice. They were and they are on the side of the PRC. And they see Taiwan as part of China. Reunification is therefore a Chinese

people's dream.

"We’ve built a global economy that lifted billions of people out of poverty. We’ve advanced human rights as never before."
https://www.state.gov/the-administrations-approach-to-the-peoples-republic-of-china/

The US is certainly a member of the "We" above. Regarding China, the question remains to be answered:
Is the global economy that lift hundred of millions of people out of poverty BECAUSE of the US or
DESPITE US attempts to suppress Chinese development.

"In China’s effort to study foreign economic experiences, no institution played a role that could compare in
importance with that played by the World Bank, and in no other country did the World Bank play a role as
large as it did in China. In 1980, when mainland China replaced Taiwan as the Chinese member of the
World Bank, the president of the bank, Robert McNamara, visited Beijing to pave the way in developing the
new relationship. McNamara, declaring that the World Bank would not be a truly World Bank without China,
resisted pressures from the U.S. government to slow the entry of China into the bank. This independence
on McNamara’s part gave Chinese officials, who at the time were still worried about nations using China for
their own purposes, more confidence that the World Bank did not represent the interests of any single country."
(Deng xiaoping and the Transformation of China by Ezra Vogel)

Did the US not politicize China Poverty Reduction effort which led to World Bank Directors to stop the program
in China despite World Bank experts had thoroughly studied all relevant issues? Why is China's voting power in
IMF, World Bank, and the Asian Development Bank are still restricted?

Western countries hold all the top and middle jobs in these international institutions in order earn all these big money jobs for themselves. They will leave the bones to the dogs. With Western countries in control of these institutions, they can then
gang up against China and other countries which they deemed not in the favorite lists of friendly countries to them.

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