• Putin fights "fascist"/fascists in Ukraine v. Snyder at NYT sees fascis

    From A. Filip@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 21 04:23:39 2022
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html
    Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the author
    of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European history. […]

    Be aware of militant "antifascists" *even without tanks*.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Sun May 22 02:21:58 2022
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html
    Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the author
    of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European history. […]


    Timothy Synder, Professor of History at Yale University,
    "People disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s Russia
    meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has a cult around a single leader,
    Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the dead, It has a cult of the dead, organized around World
    War II. It has a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness..."

    Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University,
    "But the core of fascist ideology is realised in changing citizenship laws to privilege a
    single ethnic group." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/trump-modi-citizenship-politics-fascism


    Be aware of militant "antifascists" *even without tanks*.


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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Sun May 22 10:43:17 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html >> > Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the
    author of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European
    history. […]
    […]

    Timothy Synder, Professor of History at Yale University, "People
    disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s Russia meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has
    a cult around a single leader, Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the
    dead, It has a cult of the dead, organized around World War II. It has
    a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness..."

    Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University, "But the
    core of fascist ideology is realised in changing citizenship laws to privilege a single ethnic group." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/trump-modi-citizenship-politics-fascism

    As I understand you "believe" in words of both Yale professors, don't you?
    One Yale professor is quite like another ;-)

    It is fun you use/abuse quotes from "battles of yesterday".
    Truths of today may put in another light by truths of yesterday.
    Be aware of people with too good memory ;-)

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Sun May 22 05:39:30 2022
    On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html
    Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the
    author of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European
    history. […]
    […]

    Timothy Synder, Professor of History at Yale University, "People
    disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s Russia meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has
    a cult around a single leader, Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the
    dead, It has a cult of the dead, organized around World War II. It has
    a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness..."

    Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University, "But the
    core of fascist ideology is realised in changing citizenship laws to privilege a single ethnic group." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/trump-modi-citizenship-politics-fascism
    As I understand you "believe" in words of both Yale professors, don't you? One Yale professor is quite like another ;-)

    Not at all.
    The difference may depend on whether one sees fascism is an "ontic" object or an ontological object.

    It is fun you use/abuse quotes from "battles of yesterday".
    Truths of today may put in another light by truths of yesterday.
    Be aware of people with too good memory ;-)

    You may as well apply the above to the Professor of History.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Sun May 22 13:18:23 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html
    Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the
    author of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European
    history. […]
    […]

    Timothy Synder, Professor of History at Yale University, "People
    disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s >> > Russia meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has
    a cult around a single leader, Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the
    dead, It has a cult of the dead, organized around World War II. It has
    a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness..."

    Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University, "But the
    core of fascist ideology is realised in changing citizenship laws to
    privilege a single ethnic group."
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/trump-modi-citizenship-politics-fascism
    As I understand you "believe" in words of both Yale professors, don't you? >> One Yale professor is quite like another ;-)

    Not at all.
    The difference may depend on whether one sees fascism is an "ontic" object or an ontological object.

    It is fun you use/abuse quotes from "battles of yesterday".
    Truths of today may put in another light by truths of yesterday.
    Be aware of people with too good memory ;-)

    You may as well apply the above to the Professor of History.

    History teachers I have met mostly remembered politically current
    version of history. I can remember only *ONE* person exception.

    Remembering in silence is almost like social forgetting.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 22 07:20:25 2022
    On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 2:21:59 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html
    Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the author of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European history. […]

    Timothy Synder, Professor of History at Yale University,
    "People disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s Russia
    meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has a cult around a single leader,
    Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the dead, It has a cult of the dead, organized around World
    War II. It has a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness..."

    Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University,
    "But the core of fascist ideology is realised in changing citizenship laws to privilege a
    single ethnic group."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_chauvinism

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/trump-modi-citizenship-politics-fascism
    Be aware of militant "antifascists" *even without tanks*.


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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 07:08:13 2022
    On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:39:32 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html
    Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the
    author of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European
    history. […]
    […]

    Timothy Synder, Professor of History at Yale University, "People disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s Russia meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has
    a cult around a single leader, Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the dead, It has a cult of the dead, organized around World War II. It has
    a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness..."

    Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University, "But the
    core of fascist ideology is realised in changing citizenship laws to privilege a single ethnic group." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/trump-modi-citizenship-politics-fascism
    As I understand you "believe" in words of both Yale professors, don't you? One Yale professor is quite like another ;-)
    Not at all.
    The difference may depend on whether one sees fascism is an "ontic" object or
    an ontological object.

    If one wears the ontological hat, then what it is clear that Ukraine had changed the law to
    discriminate against Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens. BTW, the change had triggered
    human rights group complaints.


    It is fun you use/abuse quotes from "battles of yesterday".
    Truths of today may put in another light by truths of yesterday.
    Be aware of people with too good memory ;-)
    You may as well apply the above to the Professor of History.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 15:11:15 2022
    On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 7:08:15 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:39:32 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:24:29 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/russia-fascism-ukraine-putin.html
    Opinion Guest Essay "We Should Say It. Russia Is Fascist." ;
    May 19, 2022 By Timothy Snyder ;
    Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the
    author of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European
    history. […]
    […]

    Timothy Synder, Professor of History at Yale University, "People disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s
    Russia meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has a cult around a single leader, Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the dead, It has a cult of the dead, organized around World War II. It has a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness..."

    Jason Stanley, Professor of Philosophy at Yale University, "But the core of fascist ideology is realised in changing citizenship laws to privilege a single ethnic group." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/trump-modi-citizenship-politics-fascism
    As I understand you "believe" in words of both Yale professors, don't you?
    One Yale professor is quite like another ;-)
    Not at all.
    The difference may depend on whether one sees fascism is an "ontic" object or
    an ontological object.
    If one wears the ontological hat, then what it is clear that Ukraine had changed the law to
    discriminate against Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens. BTW, the change had triggered
    human rights group complaints.

    Which completely justifies invading a sovereign nation, and killing and raping civilians?

    Q: How come you refuse to acknowledge that truth?

    A: Taiwan.


    It is fun you use/abuse quotes from "battles of yesterday".
    Truths of today may put in another light by truths of yesterday.
    Be aware of people with too good memory ;-)
    You may as well apply the above to the Professor of History.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon May 23 23:12:08 2022
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 7:08:15 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    […]
    If one wears the ontological hat, then what it is clear that Ukraine had changed the law to
    discriminate against Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens. BTW, the change had triggered
    human rights group complaints.

    Which completely justifies invading a sovereign nation, and killing
    and raping civilians?
    Q: How come you refuse to acknowledge that truth?
    A: Taiwan.
    […]

    When did Taiwan abandon "One (ROC) China" policy? The date changes
    not so much but "fear" to give *full* picture changes a lot.
    <irony> PRC as much stronger is less willing (slower) to abandon it's
    mirror "One (PRC) China" policy. </irony>

    I do not support "re-integrating" Taiwan without Taiwanese consent (referendum). Post factum referendum does not count.

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