• Expert says a 'turning point' in the Ukraine special operation is about

    From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 11 18:48:22 2022
    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/151730-turningpoint/

    "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation daily voices data that indicate that the course of the special operation in Ukraine will be changed. Political scientist Yevgeny Mikhailov commented on the situation.

    “Every day there are hundreds of killed Ukrainian nationalists. People do not go to surrender, only when they are driven specifically into certain conditions, they surrender. There will be a turning point. It is already beginning in hostilities. I
    don’t know how long the active phase will last, but in any case it will be relatively short. Everything is going according to plan," Mikhailov said.

    Enemy equipment coming from the West is systematically destroyed by the Russian army, multiple launch rocket systems are hit by high-precision strikes, warehouses, fortified areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are liquidated, missiles and aircraft are
    shot down - "the enemy is bleeding", the polititologist concluded."

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  • From borie@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 14 23:44:02 2022
    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:48:24 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/151730-turningpoint/

    "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation daily voices data that indicate that the course of the special operation in Ukraine will be changed. Political scientist Yevgeny Mikhailov commented on the situation.

    “Every day there are hundreds of killed Ukrainian nationalists. People do not go to surrender, only when they are driven specifically into certain conditions, they surrender. There will be a turning point. It is already beginning in hostilities. I
    don’t know how long the active phase will last, but in any case it will be relatively short. Everything is going according to plan," Mikhailov said.

    Enemy equipment coming from the West is systematically destroyed by the Russian army, multiple launch rocket systems are hit by high-precision strikes, warehouses, fortified areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are liquidated, missiles and aircraft are
    shot down - "the enemy is bleeding", the polititologist concluded."

    Mariupol's steel factory is captured. 300 Ukraine and International soldiers inside hidden there were captured. The Ukraine and their international soldiers from UK, US, and EU military are now on the way to Russia for interrogation jail and to be
    served hot foods with war crime charges against Russia.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to borie on Sun May 15 08:21:54 2022
    borie <zifon990@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:48:24 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/151730-turningpoint/

    "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation daily voices data
    that indicate that the course of the special operation in Ukraine
    will be changed. Political scientist Yevgeny Mikhailov commented on
    the situation.

    “Every day there are hundreds of killed Ukrainian
    nationalists. People do not go to surrender, only when they are
    driven specifically into certain conditions, they surrender. There
    will be a turning point. It is already beginning in hostilities. I
    don’t know how long the active phase will last, but in any case it
    will be relatively short. Everything is going according to plan,"
    Mikhailov said.

    Enemy equipment coming from the West is systematically destroyed by
    the Russian army, multiple launch rocket systems are hit by
    high-precision strikes, warehouses, fortified areas of the Armed
    Forces of Ukraine are liquidated, missiles and aircraft are shot
    down - "the enemy is bleeding", the polititologist concluded."

    Mariupol's steel factory is captured. 300 Ukraine and International
    soldiers inside hidden there were captured. The Ukraine and their international soldiers from UK, US, and EU military are now on the way
    to Russia for interrogation jail and to be served hot foods with war
    crime charges against Russia.

    Fighting Russian army *in Ukraine* is a war crime against Russia?

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Sun May 15 08:15:46 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/151730-turningpoint/

    "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation daily voices data
    that indicate that the course of the special operation in Ukraine will
    be changed. Political scientist Yevgeny Mikhailov commented on the
    situation.

    “Every day there are hundreds of killed Ukrainian
    nationalists. People do not go to surrender, only when they are driven specifically into certain conditions, they surrender. There will be a
    turning point. It is already beginning in hostilities. I don’t know
    how long the active phase will last, but in any case it will be
    relatively short. Everything is going according to plan," Mikhailov
    said.

    Enemy equipment coming from the West is systematically destroyed by
    the Russian army, multiple launch rocket systems are hit by
    high-precision strikes, warehouses, fortified areas of the Armed
    Forces of Ukraine are liquidated, missiles and aircraft are shot down
    - "the enemy is bleeding", the polititologist concluded."

    Isn't it _most likely_ mostly a wishful thinking *for you*?
    It is for me *without (appended) statistics to support it*.

    It is easier to see what you want to see,
    He wants to see it, I don't. Do YOU want to see it?

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Sun May 15 03:47:36 2022
    On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 4:16:34 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/151730-turningpoint/

    "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation daily voices data
    that indicate that the course of the special operation in Ukraine will
    be changed. Political scientist Yevgeny Mikhailov commented on the situation.

    “Every day there are hundreds of killed Ukrainian
    nationalists. People do not go to surrender, only when they are driven specifically into certain conditions, they surrender. There will be a turning point. It is already beginning in hostilities. I don’t know
    how long the active phase will last, but in any case it will be
    relatively short. Everything is going according to plan," Mikhailov
    said.

    Enemy equipment coming from the West is systematically destroyed by
    the Russian army, multiple launch rocket systems are hit by
    high-precision strikes, warehouses, fortified areas of the Armed
    Forces of Ukraine are liquidated, missiles and aircraft are shot down
    - "the enemy is bleeding", the polititologist concluded."
    Isn't it _most likely_ mostly a wishful thinking *for you*?
    It is for me *without (appended) statistics to support it*.

    It is easier to see what you want to see,
    He wants to see it, I don't. Do YOU want to see it?

    In total agreement with you concerning the lack of supporting evidence.
    But then not knowing what really is going on is always the case. Nothing
    new.

    The issue is what this kind of writing signals. The obvious one is be patient. A breaking point is coming. And then what?

    Russians COULD seize some latest gain, real or imagined, and call it quits as suggested by the following Fox news.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-current-phase-invasion-cut-losses-kherson-referendum
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russia has signaled intent to end 'current phase' of invasion, cut losses with Kherson
    referendum: expert
    ...
    "Realizing he can’t win the war – as long as the U.S. and NATO are providing formidable
    weaponry and real-time intelligence to Ukraine – Putin is probably considering cutting his
    losses and ending the operation at this stage," Koffler said.

    "If Putin absorbs Kherson into Russia or at least establishes another breakaway ‘People’s
    Republic’ — like Donetsk and Luhansk — he will have achieved the goals of this current
    phase of war," she added. --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Sun May 15 12:09:14 2022
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 4:16:34 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 wrote:
    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/151730-turningpoint/

    "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation daily voices data
    that indicate that the course of the special operation in Ukraine will
    be changed. Political scientist Yevgeny Mikhailov commented on the
    situation.

    “Every day there are hundreds of killed Ukrainian
    nationalists. People do not go to surrender, only when they are driven
    specifically into certain conditions, they surrender. There will be a
    turning point. It is already beginning in hostilities. I don’t know
    how long the active phase will last, but in any case it will be
    relatively short. Everything is going according to plan," Mikhailov
    said.

    Enemy equipment coming from the West is systematically destroyed by
    the Russian army, multiple launch rocket systems are hit by
    high-precision strikes, warehouses, fortified areas of the Armed
    Forces of Ukraine are liquidated, missiles and aircraft are shot down
    - "the enemy is bleeding", the polititologist concluded."
    Isn't it _most likely_ mostly a wishful thinking *for you*?
    It is for me *without (appended) statistics to support it*.

    It is easier to see what you want to see,
    He wants to see it, I don't. Do YOU want to see it?

    In total agreement with you concerning the lack of supporting evidence.
    But then not knowing what really is going on is always the case. Nothing new.

    The issue is what this kind of writing signals. The obvious one is be patient.
    A breaking point is coming. And then what?

    Russians COULD seize some latest gain, real or imagined, and call it quits as suggested by the following Fox news.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-current-phase-invasion-cut-losses-kherson-referendum
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russia has signaled intent to end 'current phase' of invasion, cut losses with Kherson
    referendum: expert
    ...
    "Realizing he can’t win the war – as long as the U.S. and NATO are providing formidable
    weaponry and real-time intelligence to Ukraine – Putin is probably considering cutting his
    losses and ending the operation at this stage," Koffler said.

    "If Putin absorbs Kherson into Russia or at least establishes another breakaway ‘People’s
    Republic’ — like Donetsk and Luhansk — he will have achieved the goals of this current
    phase of war," she added. --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    For me it looks like:
    1. Maximum/optimistic goals are unlikely++ to be achieved by Russia
    [ takeover of Ukraine e.g. by installing new friendly regime ]
    2. Minimum (face saving + little) goals quite likely will be achieved
    at _short term_ acceptable costs

    IMHO Short term disaster for Putinistan is possible but unlikely.
    Long term consequences are another story, IMHO it will not be too hard
    to sell it to Russians as (limited) success/victory.

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