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    From David P.@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 9 00:48:35 2022
    Russia Isn’t a Military State. It’s a Delusional One
    By Yulia Latynina, May 1, 2022, WSJ

    When Russian tanks were shelling the nuclear core at the
    Zaporozhskaya power plant with live rounds, not all of the
    shells exploded because they were too old and decrepit. This
    story, told to me by Piotr Kotin, head of the company that owns
    the plant, is a metaphor for Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine.

    The current Russian army is a replica of Joseph Stalin’s
    Red Army, designed to saturate minefields with bodies. During
    World War II, while U.S. generals were parachuting onto
    battlefields with their troops and sharing their hardships,
    Soviet generals stayed far from the front and sent wave after
    wave of doomed conscripts against impregnable defenses. So it
    is no surprise that their successors asked troops under their
    command to dig trenches in the highly radioactive soil of
    Chernobyl and sent units into the meat grinder of Chornobaivka.

    The incompetent and corrupt Russian army blundered into this war.
    Soldiers picked the wrong roads. Broken tanks littered the thorough-
    fares well before contact with the enemy: mired in mud, out of fuel
    and, above all, lost. In the 21st century, with satellites dotting
    the sky, the Russian army was using outdated Soviet paper charts
    with towns that had changed names and roads that no longer existed.

    Why weren’t Russian troops using the Global Positioning System or
    its Russian counterpart, Glonass? It seems, among other things,
    that the Russian army fell victim to its own propaganda. Before
    the war, Mr. Putin had been fascinated with the acquisition of new
    weapons. Among the most important were electronic countermeasures,
    or ECM. They were supposed to be a game-changer that could be used
    to black out GPS, disrupt communications, and take over drones or
    deliberately crash them into the ground.

    ECM units were indeed marching with all Russian columns as they
    entered Ukraine. But they didn’t work as planned. Instead of knocking Turkish drones out of the skies, the ECM units blacked out all
    communications, including the Russian army’s. “This is the problem
    of ECM. It either isn’t working, or, when it’s working, it’s wrecking your side much more than the enemy’s,” says Victor Kevluk, a military expert with Ukrainian Center for Defense Strategies.

    The Russian army blinded itself on foreign land, while the Ukrainians
    knew their way in the dark. So instead of relying on new technology,
    the Russians turned to an old tactic: mass terror. Russian soldiers
    raped Ukrainian women and executed Ukrainian men. Mariupol is being
    razed to the ground. Former Ukrainian General Staff Col. Oleg Zhdanov
    vividly described to me in an interview how, in Berezovka, “the dug-in
    tanks made a shooting range with fleeing civilian cars as targets.”

    The mass terror was the direct consequence of mass lying, for it is
    easier to expend ammunition on a bunch of fleeing civilians than to
    engage a real military target. Even the looting has become organized.
    Ruslan Leviev, founder of the open-source-based Conflict Intelligence
    Team, claimed in an interview that soldiers are driving stolen cars
    laden with loot to Russia to sell them on improvised markets, and they
    pay part of the proceeds to their officers.

    This is truly amazing. A modern army doesn’t loot. It is doubtful
    that the same army that left Bucha toting trophy dishwashers will be
    able to regroup swiftly to fight in the Donbas.

    How did Putin think he could win this war? The answer has to do with
    state delusion. It is easy to mistake Russia for a military state.
    It isn’t. It’s true that the Russian state is run by siloviki (roughly translated as “the enforcers”), but those strongmen are from the Federal Security Service, known as the FSB, not the army.

    Putin, himself a former KGB officer, has long been highly suspicious
    of a possible army coup. The incompetence of the Russian military is
    at least partly intentional—designed to reinforce that the FSB, not
    the army, was in charge of running Russian society. The FSB and its
    political allies told Mr. Putin what he wanted to hear: namely, that
    Russia had an extensive network of sympathizers in Ukraine who would
    hand the country to him on a platter. A state with this level of
    incompetence and delusion simply wouldn’t have survived in the 19th
    century.

    Things are different today. Sanctions are much preferred to direct
    fighting. And while economic sanctions can isolate a rogue regime,
    they can’t crush it. Mr. Putin has gotten many things wrong in his
    current war, but he did get one thing right. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization won’t go to war over Ukraine. And this is perhaps the
    biggest reason why he must be crushed. If not, more Vladimir Putins
    will follow, including those with a much firmer grip on reality.

    Ms. Latynina was a journalist with Echo of Moscow and Novaya Gazeta,
    Russian press outlets that have been shut down during Russia’s war
    with Ukraine.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-isnt-a-military-state-its-a-delusional-one-putin-ukraine-war-propaganda-military-nuclear-outdated-11651420669

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 9 16:53:07 2022
    Russia Isn't a Military State. It's a Delusional One
    By Yulia Latynina, May 1, 2022, WSJ

    Ms. Latynina was a journalist with Echo of Moscow and Novaya Gazeta,

    Here <https://bit.ly/3kQ7vtd> I explained the post-Soviet intelligentsia.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to David P. on Mon May 9 14:56:36 2022
    "David P." <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Russia Isn’t a Military State. It’s a Delusional One
    By Yulia Latynina, May 1, 2022, WSJ

    When Russian tanks were shelling the nuclear core at the
    Zaporozhskaya power plant with live rounds, not all of the
    shells exploded because they were too old and decrepit. This
    story, told to me by Piotr Kotin, head of the company that owns
    the plant, is a metaphor for Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine.
    […]
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-isnt-a-military-state-its-a-delusional-one-putin-ukraine-war-propaganda-military-nuclear-outdated-11651420669

    It is cheap and straightforward "in fight utilization".
    Pentagon would make US taxpayers pay twice extra
    for utilization and new ammo ;-)

    My nightmare is that "Ukrainian operation" seen as
    "mass live ammo exercises/check" before next operations.
    I hope Putinistan will repeat its (military) mistakes.
    I do not count on it (too much).

    Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
    It is risky not to see "Ukrainian operation" *also* as gaining experience.

    --
    A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
    | That must be wonderful: I don't understand it at all. (Moliere)

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Mon May 9 08:55:59 2022
    On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:54:11 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    Russia Isn't a Military State. It's a Delusional One
    By Yulia Latynina, May 1, 2022, WSJ
    Ms. Latynina was a journalist with Echo of Moscow and Novaya Gazeta,
    Here <https://bit.ly/3kQ7vtd> I explained the post-Soviet intelligentsia.

    But why?
    Putin had once said trusting the West too much was Russia's biggest mistake. How many among the post-Soviet intelligentsia are still making the same mistake?
    And why?

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Mon May 9 12:32:06 2022
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    Russia Isn't a Military State. It's a Delusional One
    By Yulia Latynina, May 1, 2022, WSJ
    Ms. Latynina was a journalist with Echo of Moscow and Novaya Gazeta,
    Here <https://bit.ly/3kQ7vtd> I explained the post-Soviet intelligentsia.
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    What about the non-intelligentsia? They're uninformed, but they can vote!
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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 10 07:27:57 2022
    ltlee1, <news:4bcaea9e-1fac-446a-b1bc-adfeb861598bn@googlegroups.com>
    On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:54:11 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

    Here <https://bit.ly/3kQ7vtd> I explained the post-Soviet intelligentsia.

    But why?
    Putin had once said trusting the West too much was Russia's biggest mistake. How many among the post-Soviet intelligentsia are still making the same mistake?
    And why?

    Putin himself could have been asked about consistency of his policies.

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 10 07:23:38 2022
    David P., <news:e6058aa2-dfdf-457e-9f41-c5e21321f456n@googlegroups.com>
    Oleg Smirnov wrote:

    Here <https://bit.ly/3kQ7vtd> I explained the post-Soviet intelligentsia.
    ------------
    What about the non-intelligentsia? They're uninformed, but they can vote!

    The historically evolved figurative term "intelligentsia"
    in the Russian-Soviet specific context isn't literally about
    intelligence (and it's only indirectly about intellect).

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Tue May 10 04:09:31 2022
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 12:28:55 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    ltlee1, <news:4bcaea9e-1fac-446a...@googlegroups.com>
    On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:54:11 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

    Here <https://bit.ly/3kQ7vtd> I explained the post-Soviet intelligentsia.

    But why?
    Putin had once said trusting the West too much was Russia's biggest mistake.
    How many among the post-Soviet intelligentsia are still making the same mistake?
    And why?

    Putin himself could have been asked about consistency of his policies.

    1. Examples please.

    2. More specific on Yulia Latynina. She does journalism and write books. 20 books
    according to one site. (Some French edition of her books, presumably fictions, could be
    found in Amazon.com)

    Concerning what had been happening over the Ukrainian battlefield, it is obvious that
    Russian progress is not going well. Still the following description does not sound right.

    "The current Russian army is a replica of Joseph Stalin’s Red Army, designed to saturate
    minefields with bodies. During World War II, while U.S. generals were parachuting onto
    battlefields with their troops and sharing their hardships, Soviet generals stayed far from
    the front and sent wave after wave of doomed conscripts against impregnable defenses."

    In reality, abnormally large number of Russian generals were killed in Ukraine. And US
    officials had recently disclosed its involvement on the demise of these generals.

    3. According to recent polls, Putin still enjoys popular support. Were there other survey on
    how the people see the government?

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 13 00:10:41 2022
    ltlee1, <news:d2deccae-d1e9-4905-b7bf-770015072181n@googlegroups.com>
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 12:28:55 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

    2. More specific on Yulia Latynina. She does journalism and write books. 20 books according to one site. (Some French edition of her books, presumably fictions, could be found in Amazon.com)

    Yep, "fiction" is the keyword.

    Freak-troll-lady with a rich imagination and social Darwinist mindset.

    Concerning what had been happening over the Ukrainian battlefield,
    it is obvious that Russian progress is not going well.

    Still the following
    description does not sound right.

    "The current Russian army is a replica of Joseph Stalin's Red Army, designed to saturate
    minefields with bodies. During World War II, while U.S. generals were parachuting onto
    battlefields with their troops and sharing their hardships, Soviet generals stayed far from
    the front and sent wave after wave of doomed conscripts against impregnable defenses."

    In reality, abnormally large number of Russian generals were killed in Ukraine. And US
    officials had recently disclosed its involvement on the demise of these generals.

    The situation is extremely asymmetric. The asymmetry is expressed
    in objectives, methods and resources. In the English-speaking and
    European infospace, Russia has no chances to compete against
    pro-Kiev narratives. And Russian officials do not even make creative
    efforts in this unpromising field. In turn, the Kiev regime and its
    Atnaticist patrons gash with various information, which includes
    official statements, "disclosures", rumors, refutation of rumors,
    "intercepted calls", "leaks from unnamed officials" and so forth.
    A large part of this stuff is crafted in favor of psyop goals.

    About that "abnormally large number of generals" I can simply say
    there was no confirmation from official or any "credible" sources
    from Russia.

    3. According to recent polls, Putin still enjoys popular support. Were there other survey on
    how the people see the government?

    Yes he does, and misc surveys show about the same figures.

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