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    From David P.@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 09:28:55 2022
    Russia’s Long Disdain for Ukrainian Nationhood
    By Yaroslav Trofimov, April 28, 2022, WSJ

    As a young poet in the Soviet Union, Joseph Brodsky was
    persecuted by the authorities before escaping to the U.S. in
    1972 and going on to win the Nobel Prize in literature. In
    Soviet-era Kyiv, Ukrainian intellectuals used to trade coveted
    samizdat reprints of Brodsky’s poems, reciting them at
    clandestine gatherings.

    But the affection wasn’t mutual. At a reading in 1992,
    less than a year into Ukraine’s existence as an independent
    nation, Brodsky offered a new poem titled “To the Independence
    of Ukraine.” “Farewell khokhols,” he intoned, using a racial
    slur for Ukrainians. “We’ve lived together, now enough. Wish
    I could spit into the Dnipro river, perhaps it would now flow
    backwards.” Brodsky went on to predict that when the ungrateful
    Ukrainians were wheezing on their deathbeds, they would surely
    revert to reciting the verse of the classic Russian poet
    Aleksandr Pushkin, rather than the “lies” of their own
    national poet, Taras Shevchenko.

    The idea that Ukrainians aren’t a real people and that
    Ukrainian nationhood is an artificial construct has long been
    mainstream in Russian culture, literature and politics—including
    among liberal luminaries like Brodsky, who died in 1996. Putin’s
    views on Ukraine, which he expounded in an essay last year that
    was read to Russian soldiers preparing for the invasion, are no
    outlier. They follow a lengthy tradition that helps to explain
    the continuing support for the war among Russia’s citizens.

    This blind spot dates to the beginnings of the modern Ukrainian
    quest for sovereignty more than a century ago. “The Russian
    democrat ends where the Ukrainian question begins,” said
    Ukrainian writer and playwright Volodymyr Vynnychenko, who
    served as prime minister of the short-lived Ukrainian National
    Republic in 1917-18. It has become one of the best-known phrases
    in Ukrainian politics.

    In Russia’s historical narrative and literary tradition,
    Ukrainians have often been depicted as dimwitted but good-natured
    peasants who speak with a funny accent, and whose quest for an
    independent future can only be the product of foreign intrigues.
    Mikhail Bulgakov, born in Kyiv to parents who had moved from
    Russia, mocked the Ukrainian language in his novels, with one
    character arguing that Ukrainians can’t have a word for whale
    because, unlike Russia, Ukraine doesn’t have oceans. Natives of
    Ukraine who achieved undisputed artistic or scientific success,
    from the painter Kazimir Malevich to the father of the Soviet
    space program, Sergei Korolyov, have been appropriated as Russian.

    “Many of those in Russia who pretend to be an intellectual
    elite have a condescending attitude to Ukrainians, and this
    includes many of those in the opposition who are supporting
    Ukraine now,” said Russian politician Ilya Ponomarev, the only
    Russian lawmaker to vote against the annexation of Ukraine’s
    Crimea peninsula in 2014. “They look at the Ukrainians as a
    little brother, a brother who still needs to grow up.”

    Every Russian, Ponomarev added, instinctively feels the
    heritage of the ancient Russian state when dismissing Ukraine
    as a recent invention. It’s a view that Mr. Ponomarev himself
    says he had to reassess after emigrating to Ukraine, where he
    learned that historical figures viewed by Russians as the
    founders of their nation were in fact ruling from Kyiv
    centuries before Moscow came into existence. One example is
    Prince Vladimir the Great, the 10th-century ruler who brought
    Christianity to the realm then known as the Kyivan Rus. Both
    Putin and Ukrainian President Zelensky are named after him.

    The tradition of Russian hostility to Ukrainian aspirations
    comes in two strands. One simply denies the existence of
    Ukrainians as a people distinct from Russians. That was the
    line adopted by the Russian Empire for much of the 19th c,
    when it banned books in Ukrainian and the very term Ukraine,
    calling the region “Little Russia” instead. Another strand
    holds that while Ukrainians do in fact have their own identity
    and speak their own language, at least half the territory of
    present-day Ukraine really belongs to Russia and was unfairly
    pried away by the Soviet Union’s founder Vladimir Lenin.

    That was the view of the Russian novelist & former political
    prisoner Alexander Solzhenitsyn, another Nobel laureate, who
    was exiled by the Soviets in 1974 and returned to Russia in
    1994. He initially expressed understanding of Ukrainian suffering.
    “We should prove the greatness of our nation not by the sheer
    size of our territory and the number of peoples in our care,
    but by the greatness of our actions,” he wrote in his 1968
    classic, “The Gulag Archipelago,” describing encounters with
    Ukrainian political prisoners.

    But after Ukraine’s independence turned from a distant and
    unlikely prospect to reality, Solzhenitsyn adopted a different
    tone, one that Putin replicated in his essay last year. In a
    2006 interview with Moskovskiye Novosti newspaper, Solzhenitsyn
    argued that southern and eastern Ukraine, the Crimea and Donbas
    have never belonged to historical Ukraine, and that the country
    was being dragged into NATO against the will of the inhabitants
    of these areas. “Under all these conditions, Russia can under
    no circumstances dare to betray the multimillion Russian
    population of Ukraine, renounce our unity with them,” he said.

    Putin paid a visit to Solzhenitsyn in his country home in 2007,
    a year before the novelist’s death, and gave him one of Russia’s
    highest prizes. Some of the Kremlin’s policies, Putin said at
    the time, were inspired by the writer.

    In 2014, Putin seized Crimea after Ukrainian protesters ousted
    Ukraine’s pro-Russian President Yanukovych, who had reversed
    the country’s longstanding policy toward integration with the
    European Union and sought a customs union with Russia. Putin
    also promoted the concept of Novorossiya, “New Russia,” for
    the regions of southern and eastern Ukraine that he said
    rightfully belong to Moscow.

    The annexation of Crimea was almost universally applauded
    in Russia. Even the imprisoned Russian opposition leader
    Alexei Navalny, who is now protesting vociferously against
    Putin’s war on Ukraine, said at the time that Crimea should
    remain part of Russia. “Crimea is not a sausage sandwich to
    be given back,” he told a radio interview.

    Until the invasion began on Feb. 24, Kremlin statements
    challenged Ukraine’s right to govern what Putin described as
    historic Russian lands in so-called Novorossiya but grudgingly
    acknowledged the existence of a Ukrainian state. According to
    Russian propaganda, the problem was a Western-installed clique
    that supposedly seized power in 2014, and whose removal would
    be welcomed by ordinary Ukrainians yearning to resume their
    brotherly kinship with Russia.

    Once the fierce Ukrainian resistance showed that hardly any
    Ukrainians greeted Russian soldiers as liberators, the tone
    shifted. Now Russian state media and official discourse argue
    that Ukraine and its culture must be simply wiped out—an idea
    that explains the killing spree in towns like Bucha during the
    Russian occupation.

    A commentary published by Russia’s RIA state news agency on
    April 3 under the title “What Russia Must Do to Ukraine” argued
    that ordinary Ukrainians must be made to “atone for the guilt”
    of hostility to Moscow, the name Ukraine should be abolished
    once again and the country split into several pieces. Ukrainian
    elites should be physically liquidated and the remaining population re-educated and “de-Ukrainized.”

    Russia’s former president and current deputy national security
    chief, Dmitry Medvedev, outlined a similar vision for the future
    of Ukraine days later, writing that after the Russian victory,
    the Ukrainian state will disappear just like the Nazi Third Reich.
    As for the Ukrainians’ deep sense of their own separate nationhood,
    Medvedev explained, “It’s a great fake fed by anti-Russian venom
    and an all-encompassing lie about their own identity. It never
    existed in history and doesn’t exist today.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-long-disdain-for-ukrainian-nationhood-11651165024
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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to David P. on Tue May 3 05:40:35 2022
    "David P." <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Russia’s Long Disdain for Ukrainian Nationhood
    By Yaroslav Trofimov, April 28, 2022, WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-long-disdain-for-ukrainian-nationhood-11651165024

    "Japan short disdain for Chinese Nationhood" sound better *here*.
    We may even jibe "One emperor two countries" ;-)

    It is _easier_ to follow a bitten tract nut it is not the only option.
    Usually what you can do is more important than what you want to do.

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 08:20:14 2022
    But the affection wasn't mutual. At a reading in 1992,
    less than a year into Ukraine's existence as an independent
    nation, Brodsky offered a new poem titled "To the Independence

    Brodsky was a Jewish-Russian man, recognized as a notable Soviet
    poet, but presenting him as a spokesman for Russian national
    consciousness would be a wrong encroach, he was a peculiar person.

    of Ukraine." "Farewell khokhols," he intoned, using a racial
    slur for Ukrainians.

    Khokhol is akin to Maozi. Ukrainians, in turn, use "racial slur"
    Katsap for the Moscow's Russians. "Racial" is quite a ridiculous
    adjective in this context, but the American mass media seek to
    expand their domestic racial obsession wherever possible, and as
    much as possible.

    Etymology of Khokhol is clear. It means "style of haircut that
    features a long lock of hair left on the otherwise completely
    shaved head", as says <https://is.gd/EqB7Zg> the Wikipaedia (the
    English article is inaccurate and misleading). Regular Ukrainians
    didn't wear their hair like that, Zaporozhia Cossacks did.

    What it looks like <https://is.gd/iuF0R0>. Such a hairstyle was
    long traditional for Turkic men. The Cossacks inherited/borrowed
    it from steppe Turks.

    Intense contacts between Moscow's Russia and the Ukrainian (edge)
    region began after the Cossack-led 1648 anti-Poland uprising <https://tinyurl.com/yydsssuu>. The Cossacks' local hair fashion
    became associated with the Ukrainian area. And later the term was mechanistically extended to all the locals.

    These pictures show people (or severed heads) with "khokhols". <https://tinyurl.com/y6lgun7n>
    <https://tinyurl.com/y2ur7syv>
    <https://tinyurl.com/y22556ph>
    The "khokhols" in these Euro-pictures are Turkish, not Ukrainian.

    Zaporozhia Cossacks weren't identical to ethnic Ukrainians.
    Their community was grossly multi-ethnic: about 35% of Slavic /
    Slavic-Finnic and Moldovan people of misc subbreeds from Poland- Ukraine/Moscow, East Europe and Balkan area, about 30% of Turkic
    people, including from Central Asia, and non-Turks from Middle
    East (Persians, Arabs), about 20% of Caucasus people, and about
    15% of non-Slavic south-Europeans (Greek/Italian/French/Spanish).

    So much "racial".

    About the same time, these western Cossacks adapted the word
    Katsap to call the Russians. Poleaxes <https://is.gd/hxRU2n>
    that resembled butcher cutters were usually present in the
    equipment of the Moscow's Streltsy <https://is.gd/LuGoHg> at the
    time. Katsap (or kasab) means butcher in Turkish. They adapted a
    Turkic word becase the Cossackdom as such was a continuation of
    basically Turkic habitude since about the 11th century.

    Both Khokhol and Katsap may be frivolous-familiarly or hateful-
    insulting depending on context and intonation, generally they
    are not considered obscenities and may be found in literature.

    The present hostilities between Russia and the Kiev regime are
    not about "Khokhols/Katsaps". The first cause is the Banderism <https://bit.ly/3q5yHav>. It's historically linked with Galicia,
    a peculiar west-Ukrainian region that got especial impact from
    Austria and had nothing to do with the Cossacks.

    The problem with this kind of extreme nationalism is that it
    represents too petty "small nation" mindset that can not cope
    with the diversity within quite a large territory the Ukraine
    inherited from the USSR (so when they managed to usurp power in
    2014, they naturally got separatism in response).

    The idea that Ukrainians aren't a real people and that
    Ukrainian nationhood is an artificial construct has long been
    mainstream in Russian culture, literature and politics-including
    among liberal luminaries like Brodsky, who died in 1996. Putin's
    views on Ukraine, which he expounded in an essay last year that

    The Putin's essay and my additional comments on the topic is here <https://tinyurl.com/yh33mena>. This is a recommended reading.
    It is more recommended than this misleading WSJ's article.

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