"MOSCOW, May 2. /TASS/. Moscow won’t set artificial timeframes for its military operation in Ukraine in order to complete it by Victory Day, celebrated on May 9, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Italy’s Mediasetbroadcaster.
"Our troops won’t artificially base their activities on a specific date, including Victory Day," he pointed out in response to a question. "We will solemnly celebrate May 9 the way we always do," Lavrov added.the West is trying to downplay.""
According to him, the pace of Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine first and foremost depends "on the need to mitigate risks for civilians and Russian troops."
Lavrov noted that the operation was particularly aimed at ensuring the safety of civilians and making sure that there were no threats from Ukraine to civilians and Russia, "which would be related to offensive weapons and the spread of Nazi ideas that
https://tass.com/politics/1446173exchange old Soviet era weapons for newer Western weapons.
The longer the operation, the more Russia is played into U.S. hand. The UK as well as some Eastern European countries may not mind long operation in Ukraine too. Former Soviet bloc nations such as Czech and Poland would welcome an opportunity to
How about Western European power such as German and France? How will a long war affect them economically?
"MOSCOW, May 2. /TASS/. Moscow won’t set artificial timeframes for its military operation in Ukraine in order to complete it by Victory Day, celebrated on May 9, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Italy’s Mediaset broadcaster.[…]
https://tass.com/politics/1446173
The longer the operation, the more Russia is played into
U.S. hand. The UK as well as some Eastern European countries may not
mind long operation in Ukraine too. Former Soviet bloc nations such as
Czech and Poland would welcome an opportunity to exchange old Soviet
era weapons for newer Western weapons.
How about Western European power such as German and France? How will a
long war affect them economically?
ltlee1 wrote:
"MOSCOW, May 2. /TASS/. Moscow won’t set artificial timeframes for its military operation in Ukraine in order to complete it by Victory Day, celebrated on May 9, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Italy’s Mediaset broadcaster.[…]
https://tass.com/politics/1446173
The longer the operation, the more Russia is played into
U.S. hand. The UK as well as some Eastern European countries may not
mind long operation in Ukraine too. Former Soviet bloc nations such as Czech and Poland would welcome an opportunity to exchange old Soviet
era weapons for newer Western weapons.
How about Western European power such as German and France? How will a long war affect them economically?The war at Ukrainian territory is much more costly for Ukraine
*BUT* Ukraine seems *so far* to be unwilling for "surrender" -
cease fire *at current positions*.
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| If you are of the opinion that the contemplation of suicide is
| sufficient evidence of a poetic nature, do not forget that actions
| speak louder than words. (Fran Lebowitz, "Metropolitan Life")
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 5:01:56 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
"MOSCOW, May 2. /TASS/. Moscow won’t set artificial timeframes for its military operation in Ukraine in order to complete it by Victory Day, celebrated on May 9, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Italy’s Mediaset broadcaster.[…]
https://tass.com/politics/1446173
The longer the operation, the more Russia is played into
U.S. hand. The UK as well as some Eastern European countries may not mind long operation in Ukraine too. Former Soviet bloc nations such as Czech and Poland would welcome an opportunity to exchange old Soviet
era weapons for newer Western weapons.
Needless to say, the war is very costly to Ukraine and to Russia. However, if one sees theHow about Western European power such as German and France? How will a long war affect them economically?The war at Ukrainian territory is much more costly for Ukraine
*BUT* Ukraine seems *so far* to be unwilling for "surrender" -
cease fire *at current positions*.
region with a longer view, Macron's description that they are two brotherly peoples may
still hold in the future.
What are Ukraine's neighbors trying to accomplish short and long term? What strategic
goals underpinned by what assumptions, consciously and unconsciously? And at what
cost? Would such action split Europe?
"As Americans ingest the constant feed of dire reports and heartbreaking photographs from
the war in Ukraine, it behooves us to look at Europe’s views of a European conflict.
First, these views are far from harmonious; there is, as the English Russia scholar Richard
Sakwa has said, “no strategic European Union vision” on Ukraine – most members have merely
been “shamed” into upping the ante in the supply of arms.
Second, in general, Europe is divided between east and west: the new Olaf Scholz government
in Berlin sputters to create a coherent set of policies, and in France, President Emmanuel
Macron won re-election despite criticism for his willingness to engage Russian President Vladimir
Putin deep into the night before the invasion."
https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/the-folly-of-isolating-russia/
--
A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
| If you are of the opinion that the contemplation of suicide is
| sufficient evidence of a poetic nature, do not forget that actions
| speak louder than words. (Fran Lebowitz, "Metropolitan Life")
US is using Ukraine as a sucker in their war with Russia. US has no
concerns about the condition of Ukraine. They will make Zelensky
addicted for supply of their US and NATO arms and weapons into a long
drawn war to tired out Russia. After the war, Ukraine will be
destructed to dust and ash. US will then send a "big hug"
multi-billion dollar bill to Ukraine for payment of their supply of
arms and weapons to them. As Ukraine will be broke and emptied of
money, US will ask Ukraine to pay by land, which they can then be
resold to the US and EU business oligarch for a huge and mighty
profit.
borie <zifo...@gmail.com> wrote:
[…]
US is using Ukraine as a sucker in their war with Russia. US has no concerns about the condition of Ukraine. They will make Zelensky<cynicism> Too strong Russian may be a too costly ally against PRC.
addicted for supply of their US and NATO arms and weapons into a long drawn war to tired out Russia. After the war, Ukraine will be
destructed to dust and ash. US will then send a "big hug"
multi-billion dollar bill to Ukraine for payment of their supply of
arms and weapons to them. As Ukraine will be broke and emptied of
money, US will ask Ukraine to pay by land, which they can then be
resold to the US and EU business oligarch for a huge and mighty
profit.
Too strong Russia may be an "uncomfortable" ally for PRC.
Too weak (humiliated) Russia may be "uncomfortably unpredictable" in choosing/switching alliances (in long term). </cynicism>
International politics frequently is not based on binary logic :-)
Life is a game of reaching a few (partially) contradictory goals at once.
Do not oversimplify unaware that you oversimplify.
--
A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
| His honour rooted in dishonour stood,
| And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true.
| (Alfred Lord Tennyson)
borie <zifo...@gmail.com> wrote:
[…]
US is using Ukraine as a sucker in their war with Russia. US has no concerns about the condition of Ukraine. They will make Zelensky<cynicism> Too strong Russian may be a too costly ally against PRC.
addicted for supply of their US and NATO arms and weapons into a long drawn war to tired out Russia. After the war, Ukraine will be
destructed to dust and ash. US will then send a "big hug"
multi-billion dollar bill to Ukraine for payment of their supply of
arms and weapons to them. As Ukraine will be broke and emptied of
money, US will ask Ukraine to pay by land, which they can then be
resold to the US and EU business oligarch for a huge and mighty
profit.
Too strong Russia may be an "uncomfortable" ally for PRC.
Too weak (humiliated) Russia may be "uncomfortably unpredictable" in choosing/switching alliances (in long term). </cynicism>
International politics frequently is not based on binary logic :-)
Life is a game of reaching a few (partially) contradictory goals at once.
Do not oversimplify unaware that you oversimplify.
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 5:01:56 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
"MOSCOW, May 2. /TASS/. Moscow won’t set artificial timeframes for its military operation in Ukraine in order to complete it by Victory Day, celebrated on May 9, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Italy’s Mediaset broadcaster.[…]
https://tass.com/politics/1446173
The longer the operation, the more Russia is played into
U.S. hand. The UK as well as some Eastern European countries may not mind long operation in Ukraine too. Former Soviet bloc nations such as Czech and Poland would welcome an opportunity to exchange old Soviet
era weapons for newer Western weapons.
Needless to say, the war is very costly to Ukraine and to Russia. However, if one sees theHow about Western European power such as German and France? How will a long war affect them economically?The war at Ukrainian territory is much more costly for Ukraine
*BUT* Ukraine seems *so far* to be unwilling for "surrender" -
cease fire *at current positions*.
region with a longer view, Macron's description that they are two brotherly peoples may
still hold in the future.
What are Ukraine's neighbors trying to accomplish short and long term? What strategic
goals underpinned by what assumptions, consciously and unconsciously? And at what
cost? Would such action split Europe?
"As Americans ingest the constant feed of dire reports and heartbreaking photographs from
the war in Ukraine, it behooves us to look at Europe’s views of a European conflict.
First, these views are far from harmonious; there is, as the English Russia scholar Richard
Sakwa has said, “no strategic European Union vision” on Ukraine – most members have merely
been “shamed” into upping the ante in the supply of arms.
Second, in general, Europe is divided between east and west: the new Olaf Scholz government
in Berlin sputters to create a coherent set of policies, and in France, President Emmanuel
Macron won re-election despite criticism for his willingness to engage Russian President Vladimir
Putin deep into the night before the invasion."
https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/the-folly-of-isolating-russia/
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:05:57 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 5:01:56 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:Needless to say, the war is very costly to Ukraine and to Russia. However, if one sees the
"MOSCOW, May 2. /TASS/. Moscow won’t set artificial timeframes for its >> > > military operation in Ukraine in order to complete it by Victory Day,[…]
celebrated on May 9, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an >> > > interview with Italy’s Mediaset broadcaster.
https://tass.com/politics/1446173The war at Ukrainian territory is much more costly for Ukraine
The longer the operation, the more Russia is played into
U.S. hand. The UK as well as some Eastern European countries may not
mind long operation in Ukraine too. Former Soviet bloc nations such as >> > > Czech and Poland would welcome an opportunity to exchange old Soviet
era weapons for newer Western weapons.
How about Western European power such as German and France? How will a >> > > long war affect them economically?
*BUT* Ukraine seems *so far* to be unwilling for "surrender" -
cease fire *at current positions*.
region with a longer view, Macron's description that they are two brotherly peoples may
still hold in the future.
What are Ukraine's neighbors trying to accomplish short and long term? What strategic
goals underpinned by what assumptions, consciously and unconsciously? And at what
cost? Would such action split Europe?
"As Americans ingest the constant feed of dire reports and heartbreaking photographs from
the war in Ukraine, it behooves us to look at Europe’s views of a European conflict.
First, these views are far from harmonious; there is, as the English Russia scholar Richard
Sakwa has said, “no strategic European Union vision” on Ukraine – most members have merely
been “shamed” into upping the ante in the supply of arms.
Second, in general, Europe is divided between east and west: the new Olaf Scholz government
in Berlin sputters to create a coherent set of policies, and in France, President Emmanuel
Macron won re-election despite criticism for his willingness to engage Russian President Vladimir
Putin deep into the night before the invasion."
https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/the-folly-of-isolating-russia/
Anyway, the bottom line question whether Russia prolonging the
conflict from a position of strength or from a position of
weakness. The same for EU nations. They are prepared for short term
pain. Have they prepared their citizens and economies with Russia gas
and oil being cut off?
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:05:57 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 5:01:56 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
"MOSCOW, May 2. /TASS/. Moscow won’t set artificial timeframes for its[…]
military operation in Ukraine in order to complete it by Victory Day, celebrated on May 9, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Italy’s Mediaset broadcaster.
https://tass.com/politics/1446173
The longer the operation, the more Russia is played into
U.S. hand. The UK as well as some Eastern European countries may not mind long operation in Ukraine too. Former Soviet bloc nations such as Czech and Poland would welcome an opportunity to exchange old Soviet era weapons for newer Western weapons.
Needless to say, the war is very costly to Ukraine and to Russia. However, if one sees theHow about Western European power such as German and France? How will a long war affect them economically?The war at Ukrainian territory is much more costly for Ukraine
*BUT* Ukraine seems *so far* to be unwilling for "surrender" -
cease fire *at current positions*.
region with a longer view, Macron's description that they are two brotherly peoples may
still hold in the future.
What are Ukraine's neighbors trying to accomplish short and long term? What strategic
goals underpinned by what assumptions, consciously and unconsciously? And at what
cost? Would such action split Europe?
"As Americans ingest the constant feed of dire reports and heartbreaking photographs from
the war in Ukraine, it behooves us to look at Europe’s views of a European conflict.
First, these views are far from harmonious; there is, as the English Russia scholar Richard
Sakwa has said, “no strategic European Union vision” on Ukraine – most members have merely
been “shamed” into upping the ante in the supply of arms.
Second, in general, Europe is divided between east and west: the new Olaf Scholz government
in Berlin sputters to create a coherent set of policies, and in France, President Emmanuel
Macron won re-election despite criticism for his willingness to engage Russian President Vladimir
Putin deep into the night before the invasion."
https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/the-folly-of-isolating-russia/Anyway, the bottom line question whether Russia prolonging the conflict from a position of
strength or from a position of weakness. The same for EU nations. They are prepared for
short term pain. Have they prepared their citizens and economies with Russia gas and oil
being cut off?
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