• Re: Ukraine and its lesson for the rest of the world. (2/2)

    From wog wacker@21:1/5 to gera...@gmail.com on Tue Mar 29 03:10:33 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions and using the
    inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0

    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo

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  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Tue Mar 29 21:40:35 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions and using the
    inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo

    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.

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  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to gerard jud on Wed Mar 30 00:29:41 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in
    WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US.
    Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions and using
    the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.

    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE

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  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to gerard jud on Wed Mar 30 20:03:58 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake
    of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in
    WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US.
    Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions and using
    the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE

    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo

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  • From frodo sam0@21:1/5 to gera...@gmail.com on Thu Mar 31 21:31:25 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and
    Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-
    led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment
    not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake
    of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland,
    in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the
    US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions and
    using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo

    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0

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  • From paul polikos@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 1 19:22:59 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as
    ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order
    and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the
    US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous
    commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the
    sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland,
    in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the
    US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions and
    using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0

    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Mon Apr 4 17:42:55 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm
    NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils
    such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World
    Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO,
    the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous
    commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for
    the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own
    homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can
    nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol. Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions
    and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine

    Is RT back? Or only its interview with PL? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK0P9-BZPg8

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to paul polikos on Mon Apr 4 17:22:54 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm
    NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such
    as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order
    and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the
    US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous
    commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the
    sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own
    homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can
    nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol. Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions and
    using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.

    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From paul polikos@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Tue Apr 5 07:42:42 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm
    NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils
    such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World
    Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO,
    the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous
    commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for
    the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own
    homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can
    nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol. Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions
    and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine

    Patrick Lancaster(PL) in action, again risking his life to bring us the truth. This time he gets so close to the battlefront that a shell which explodes near him gives him a lingering sensation of shock waves in his ears. He brings us a view of the
    sprawling factory where Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV members are now holed up, ready to take their last stand.

    PL shows that humanitarian aids are reaching the survivals. His channel is also enabling the survivals in Mariupol to let their relatives overseas know that they are safe.

    This man deserves an award.
    No, correction. He deserves many awards.
    But don't expect any to come from the West. This is because his reports are not in accordance with the Westerners narrative of the conflict.

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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to paul polikos on Tue Apr 5 18:01:39 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to
    China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm
    NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils
    such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World
    Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO,
    the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous
    commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for
    the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own
    homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can
    nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol. Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing positions
    and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine
    Patrick Lancaster(PL) in action, again risking his life to bring us the truth. This time he gets so close to the battlefront that a shell which explodes near him gives him a lingering sensation of shock waves in his ears. He brings us a view of the
    sprawling factory where Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV members are now holed up, ready to take their last stand.

    PL shows that humanitarian aids are reaching the survivals. His channel is also enabling the survivals in Mariupol to let their relatives overseas know that they are safe.

    This man deserves an award.
    No, correction. He deserves many awards.
    But don't expect any to come from the West. This is because his reports are not in accordance with the Westerners narrative of the conflict.

    This must be the video you have missed out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtLFT2sbBg

    Patrick Lancaster channel is so far the best in covering the conflicts on the ground.

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Wed Apr 6 07:14:08 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically
    and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to
    China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military
    arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils
    such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World
    Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO,
    the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous
    commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this
    for the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own
    homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can
    nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol. Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing
    positions and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine
    Patrick Lancaster(PL) in action, again risking his life to bring us the truth. This time he gets so close to the battlefront that a shell which explodes near him gives him a lingering sensation of shock waves in his ears. He brings us a view of the
    sprawling factory where Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV members are now holed up, ready to take their last stand.

    PL shows that humanitarian aids are reaching the survivals. His channel is also enabling the survivals in Mariupol to let their relatives overseas know that they are safe.

    This man deserves an award.
    No, correction. He deserves many awards.
    But don't expect any to come from the West. This is because his reports are not in accordance with the Westerners narrative of the conflict.
    This must be the video you have missed out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtLFT2sbBg

    Patrick Lancaster channel is so far the best in covering the conflicts on the ground.

    The fight between the Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV neo-Nazists against the ethnic Russians in Donbass has been going on for 8 years now before it flares up into the latest large scale fight.

    A French reporter made a documentary about Donbass, available on Youtube. But the English version has been censored.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8j0tJsKltg

    You can still watch the documentary via the German version, by selecting English for subtitles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEq3K9y5ASk

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Wed Apr 6 22:56:17 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the
    future world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily,
    diplomatically and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance
    to China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military
    arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of
    evils such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the
    World Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm
    NATO, the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an
    unambiguous commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this
    for the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their
    own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia
    can nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol. Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing
    positions and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine
    Patrick Lancaster(PL) in action, again risking his life to bring us the truth. This time he gets so close to the battlefront that a shell which explodes near him gives him a lingering sensation of shock waves in his ears. He brings us a view of the
    sprawling factory where Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV members are now holed up, ready to take their last stand.

    PL shows that humanitarian aids are reaching the survivals. His channel is also enabling the survivals in Mariupol to let their relatives overseas know that they are safe.

    This man deserves an award.
    No, correction. He deserves many awards.
    But don't expect any to come from the West. This is because his reports are not in accordance with the Westerners narrative of the conflict.
    This must be the video you have missed out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtLFT2sbBg

    Patrick Lancaster channel is so far the best in covering the conflicts on the ground.
    The fight between the Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV neo-Nazists against the ethnic Russians in Donbass has been going on for 8 years now before it flares up into the latest large scale fight.

    A French reporter made a documentary about Donbass, available on Youtube. But the English version has been censored.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8j0tJsKltg

    You can still watch the documentary via the German version, by selecting English for subtitles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEq3K9y5ASk

    Some footage from the Russian side.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofe2AFQWz2k

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=realdoc

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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Fri Apr 8 23:09:35 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow
    it to punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the
    future world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily,
    diplomatically and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the
    counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its
    military arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of
    evils such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the
    World Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm
    NATO, the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an
    unambiguous commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing
    this for the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their
    own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia
    can nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing
    positions and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine
    Patrick Lancaster(PL) in action, again risking his life to bring us the truth. This time he gets so close to the battlefront that a shell which explodes near him gives him a lingering sensation of shock waves in his ears. He brings us a view of
    the sprawling factory where Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV members are now holed up, ready to take their last stand.

    PL shows that humanitarian aids are reaching the survivals. His channel is also enabling the survivals in Mariupol to let their relatives overseas know that they are safe.

    This man deserves an award.
    No, correction. He deserves many awards.
    But don't expect any to come from the West. This is because his reports are not in accordance with the Westerners narrative of the conflict.
    This must be the video you have missed out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtLFT2sbBg

    Patrick Lancaster channel is so far the best in covering the conflicts on the ground.
    The fight between the Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV neo-Nazists against the ethnic Russians in Donbass has been going on for 8 years now before it flares up into the latest large scale fight.

    A French reporter made a documentary about Donbass, available on Youtube. But the English version has been censored.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8j0tJsKltg

    You can still watch the documentary via the German version, by selecting English for subtitles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEq3K9y5ASk
    Some footage from the Russian side.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofe2AFQWz2k

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=realdoc


    When your videos have low viewership, you are left alone. But when they attract large viewership, you also attract the unwanted attention of your enemies.

    Perhaps this is what is happening to Patrick Lancaster. Where’s he? He has not been reporting on Youtube for 3 days in a row, since the popularity of his videos on Mariupol has increased sharply. Has he been banned by Youtube or worse, silenced by the
    Ukrainians?

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Mon Apr 11 17:33:24 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would
    allow it to punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the
    future world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily,
    diplomatically and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the
    counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its
    military arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of
    evils such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the
    World Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm
    NATO, the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an
    unambiguous commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing
    this for the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from
    their own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR!
    Russia can nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing
    positions and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine
    Patrick Lancaster(PL) in action, again risking his life to bring us the truth. This time he gets so close to the battlefront that a shell which explodes near him gives him a lingering sensation of shock waves in his ears. He brings us a view of
    the sprawling factory where Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV members are now holed up, ready to take their last stand.

    PL shows that humanitarian aids are reaching the survivals. His channel is also enabling the survivals in Mariupol to let their relatives overseas know that they are safe.

    This man deserves an award.
    No, correction. He deserves many awards.
    But don't expect any to come from the West. This is because his reports are not in accordance with the Westerners narrative of the conflict.
    This must be the video you have missed out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtLFT2sbBg

    Patrick Lancaster channel is so far the best in covering the conflicts on the ground.
    The fight between the Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV neo-Nazists against the ethnic Russians in Donbass has been going on for 8 years now before it flares up into the latest large scale fight.

    A French reporter made a documentary about Donbass, available on Youtube. But the English version has been censored.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8j0tJsKltg

    You can still watch the documentary via the German version, by selecting English for subtitles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEq3K9y5ASk
    Some footage from the Russian side.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofe2AFQWz2k

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=realdoc
    When your videos have low viewership, you are left alone. But when they attract large viewership, you also attract the unwanted attention of your enemies.

    Perhaps this is what is happening to Patrick Lancaster. Where’s he? He has not been reporting on Youtube for 3 days in a row, since the popularity of his videos on Mariupol has increased sharply. Has he been banned by Youtube or worse, silenced by
    the Ukrainians?

    PL is back, with vengeance, fielding 2 reports within 3 hrs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4TVLwpt_yw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9iWDfgIlWU

    What he said near the end of the second video is so true. It takes two to get into a fight. Before making any judgment, we should listen to the story from both sides. Western MSM only provide reports to fit the narrative of the West. PL and others like
    him report from the other side, providing another perspective of the fight.

    The best would be that there is no fight at all. Unfortunately, this is moot now. It's developing into a war between Russia and the West, with Ukraine as the battleground. Its going to be a long war.

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Tue Apr 19 18:53:15 2022
    [continued from previous message]

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international
    laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for
    itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would
    allow it to punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect
    the future world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily,
    diplomatically and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the
    counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its
    military arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts
    of evils such as ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to
    the World Order and Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military
    arm NATO, the US-led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an
    unambiguous commitment not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing
    this for the sake of freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from
    their own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR!
    Russia can nuke the US. Its recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
    Western media wants the world to believe that the Russians are bombing inhabited buildings, creating deaths and destruction indiscriminately. Those media never let us know that the other side is using those buildings as firing
    positions and using the inhabitants as human shields. Watch another field report from Mariupol by Patrick Lancaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsWKXDKI-0
    It's over. No more suffering for the people of Mariupol.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/ukrainian-city-of-mariupol-in-the-hands-of-the-occupiers-mayor/

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011874/mariupol-is-in-the-hands-of-russia-mayor-says

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cZRSjA2U0

    From Taiwanese news source. From 1:05 - 3:15, it shows the capture of neo-Nazists from the AZOV battalion, Russians soldiers singing their national anthem in front of a captured building, Chechen soldiers celebrating, etc..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZAHDBD0KDo
    Patrick Lancaster reporting from the city center of Mariupol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaNtAentO4

    Hats off to this guy. He is risking his life to bring us the truth.
    Mariupol again, this time as reported by a French journalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuThLVgXcrE
    More about what the Ukrainians and AZOV do in Donbas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZuz4dlVAo
    This one will make you cry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ2ZzoD-W0
    This happens throughout human history. In a war, its the children, the aged and the disabled that suffer the most.
    Here's Patrick Lancaster helping three frail old women to get out of Mariupol to be re-united with their younger relatives living somewhere else.
    PL helping to relocate people to safer places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XopADw6m9U

    Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazi AZOC have been driven out of Mariupol.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2CVUlojD80

    Another channel to watch. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+brand+ukraine
    Patrick Lancaster(PL) in action, again risking his life to bring us the truth. This time he gets so close to the battlefront that a shell which explodes near him gives him a lingering sensation of shock waves in his ears. He brings us a view
    of the sprawling factory where Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV members are now holed up, ready to take their last stand.

    PL shows that humanitarian aids are reaching the survivals. His channel is also enabling the survivals in Mariupol to let their relatives overseas know that they are safe.

    This man deserves an award.
    No, correction. He deserves many awards.
    But don't expect any to come from the West. This is because his reports are not in accordance with the Westerners narrative of the conflict.
    This must be the video you have missed out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtLFT2sbBg

    Patrick Lancaster channel is so far the best in covering the conflicts on the ground.
    The fight between the Ukrainian nationalists and AZOV neo-Nazists against the ethnic Russians in Donbass has been going on for 8 years now before it flares up into the latest large scale fight.

    A French reporter made a documentary about Donbass, available on Youtube. But the English version has been censored.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8j0tJsKltg

    You can still watch the documentary via the German version, by selecting English for subtitles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEq3K9y5ASk
    Some footage from the Russian side.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofe2AFQWz2k

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=realdoc
    When your videos have low viewership, you are left alone. But when they attract large viewership, you also attract the unwanted attention of your enemies.

    Perhaps this is what is happening to Patrick Lancaster. Where’s he? He has not been reporting on Youtube for 3 days in a row, since the popularity of his videos on Mariupol has increased sharply. Has he been banned by Youtube or worse, silenced by
    the Ukrainians?
    PL is back, with vengeance, fielding 2 reports within 3 hrs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4TVLwpt_yw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9iWDfgIlWU

    What he said near the end of the second video is so true. It takes two to get into a fight. Before making any judgment, we should listen to the story from both sides. Western MSM only provide reports to fit the narrative of the West. PL and others like
    him report from the other side, providing another perspective of the fight.

    The best would be that there is no fight at all. Unfortunately, this is moot now. It's developing into a war between Russia and the West, with Ukraine as the battleground. Its going to be a long war.

    Patrick Lancaster, reporting from the battle frontline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_-ak6vVzg

    Waiting him to report from the tunnels of Azovstal.

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