• Re: Ukraine and its lesson for the rest of the world. (1/2)

    From wog wacker@21:1/5 to gera...@gmail.com on Tue Mar 29 03:10:33 2022
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q> >>>>>>
    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans. >>>>>>
    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia. >>>>>>
    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia. >>>>>>
    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears. >>>>>> 1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda. >>>>
    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS> >>> More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles. >>
    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of
    the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China
    will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if
    its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an
    unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India
    border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian
    skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its
    weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a
    strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine
    alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic
    cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and
    Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-
    led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to
    advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of
    freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1,
    WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its
    recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA
    Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine
    The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX
    Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc

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  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Tue Mar 29 21:40:35 2022
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans. >>>>>>
    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia. >>>>>>
    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears. >>>>>> 1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border. >>>>>>
    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War. >>>>>> The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg> >> Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some
    of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China
    will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even
    if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or
    an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India
    border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian
    skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above
    its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a
    strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine
    alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic
    cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and
    Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-
    led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not
    to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of
    freedom and human rights.
    Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1,
    WW2 and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its
    recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.
    Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE
    "the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
    Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
    Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.


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  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to gerard jud on Wed Mar 30 00:29:41 2022
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans. >>>>>>
    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President. >>>>>> A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia. >>>>>>
    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears. >>>>>> 1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border. >>>>>>
    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War. >>>>>> The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some
    of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China
    will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.


    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific,
    even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or
    an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India
    border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian
    skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above
    its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and
    culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s
    a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO.
    Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as
    ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and
    Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-
    led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not
    to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

    Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of
    freedom and human rights.

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  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to gerard jud on Wed Mar 30 20:03:58 2022
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans. >>>>>>
    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President. >>>>>> A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border. >>>>>>
    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War. >>>>>> The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch >> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed
    some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war,
    China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and
    Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific,
    even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand
    or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-
    India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like
    Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch
    above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?


    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and
    culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’
    s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO.
    Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as
    ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

    Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and
    Universal Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-
    led West threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

    The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment
    not to advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.


    [continued in next message]

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  • From frodo sam0@21:1/5 to gera...@gmail.com on Thu Mar 31 21:31:25 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. >>>>>>
    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence. >>>>>> Ukraine has a comedian as President. >>>>>> A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia. >>>>>>
    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War. >>>>>> The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed
    some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war,
    China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and
    Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific,
    even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a
    stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-
    India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like
    Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch
    above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world
    order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and
    culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It
    s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO.
    Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

    After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as
    ethnic cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..


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  • From paul polikos@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 1 19:22:59 2022
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
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    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. >>>>>>
    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence. >>>>>> Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia. >>>>>>
    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight. >>
    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He
    interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war,
    China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and
    Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-
    Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a
    stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-
    India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like
    Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch
    above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world
    order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and
    culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China.
    It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!

    Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO.
    Ukraine alone swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html


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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Mon Apr 4 17:42:55 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:22:56 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:23:00 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. >>>>>>
    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~ ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He
    interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry
    flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this
    war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US
    and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-
    Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take
    a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the
    China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown,
    like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to
    punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future
    world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and
    culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to
    China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.


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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to paul polikos on Mon Apr 4 17:22:54 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:23:00 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. >>>>>>
    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence. >>>>>> Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia. >>>>>>
    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~ ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He
    interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry
    flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this
    war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US
    and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-
    Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a
    stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the
    China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown,
    like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to
    punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world
    order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and
    culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China.
    It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

    Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

    Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

    So, go get India!


    [continued in next message]

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  • From paul polikos@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Tue Apr 5 07:42:42 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:22:56 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:23:00 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. >>>>>>
    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~ ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He
    interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry
    flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this
    war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US
    and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-
    Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take
    a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the
    China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown,
    like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to
    punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future
    world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and
    culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

    What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to
    China. It’s a strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
    In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
    When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
    Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.


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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to paul polikos on Tue Apr 5 18:01:39 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:42:44 PM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:22:56 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:23:00 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He
    interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry
    flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of
    this war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the
    US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-
    Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to
    take a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the
    China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown,
    like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he
    added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to
    punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future
    world order?

    Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically
    and culturally.
    This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.


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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Wed Apr 6 07:14:08 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:01:41 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:42:44 PM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:22:56 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:23:00 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end. >>
    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He
    interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry
    flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of
    this war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the
    US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the
    Indo-Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to
    take a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at
    the China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be
    brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he
    added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it
    to punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.


    “What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

    Is that so?

    But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future
    world order?


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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Wed Apr 6 22:56:17 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:14:10 PM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
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    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end. >>
    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He
    interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with
    curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of
    this war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both
    the US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.

    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the
    Indo-Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to
    take a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at
    the China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be
    brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he
    added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
    But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

    A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow
    it to punch above its weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.



    [continued in next message]

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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Fri Apr 8 23:09:35 2022
    On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:56:19 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:14:10 PM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:01:41 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:42:44 PM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:22:56 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:23:00 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR.
    He interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with
    curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end
    of this war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both
    the US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and
    US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the
    Indo-Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West
    to take a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw
    at the China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be
    brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws,
    he added.
    "We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
    "

    That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.

    [continued in next message]

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Mon Apr 11 17:33:24 2022
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:09:36 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:56:19 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:14:10 PM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:01:41 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:42:44 PM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:22:56 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:23:00 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:31:27 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:04:00 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:29:43 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:40:36 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:10:35 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 6:13:19 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:43:34 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs.

    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR.
    He interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with
    curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the
    end of this war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of
    both the US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia
    and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of
    the Indo-Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the
    West to take a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one
    claw at the China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will
    be brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

    "
    Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws,
    he added.

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  • From decadence thlon@21:1/5 to decadence thlon on Tue Apr 19 18:53:15 2022
    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 12:33:26 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
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    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:
    The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
    fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

    While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
    authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
    US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
    authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
    obedient dogs. >>>>>>
    Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
    which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
    After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
    honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
    was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
    Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
    from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
    US-led West.

    After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
    the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
    US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

    When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
    Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
    have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
    They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
    political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
    with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
    engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
    his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
    kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
    was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
    Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
    strategy.

    European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
    the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
    political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
    US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
    Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

    Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
    and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
    feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
    day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
    day Ukraine.

    Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
    and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
    Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
    Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
    Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
    tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
    which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
    Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
    behind this – those damned Americans.

    Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
    into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
    they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
    providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
    between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
    Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
    in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

    The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
    from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
    plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
    and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

    Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
    Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
    dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
    Ukraine has a comedian as President.
    A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
    Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
    Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

    There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

    History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
    Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
    Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
    Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
    republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
    played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
    this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
    again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
    under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
    several which share a border with Russia.

    Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
    1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
    2. NATO expanding right to its border.

    Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
    nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

    What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
    other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
    In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
    They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
    Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
    beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
    Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
    the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

    The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
    planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
    tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
    independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
    dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
    Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


    What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
    over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
    ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
    enemies.

    Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
    move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
    Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
    another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
    would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
    Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
    that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
    arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
    plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
    the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
    dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

    Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
    its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
    rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
    orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
    Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
    pushed Communism during the Cold War.
    The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
    military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
    whole world.
    Dumb post.
    Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

    In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
    a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
    decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

    The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
    in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
    town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
    farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
    Ukrainians!

    <https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>
    More lies exposed.
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>
    Russia is not doing well in the fight.

    The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
    months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
    leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
    avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

    The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
    From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
    Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
    soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
    bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
    reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

    All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
    “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
    areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
    into Ukraine.

    Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
    bring the war to a quick end.

    For a more balanced view of the war, watch
    <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

    Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).
    I think because youtube ban the channel.

    "Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
    governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
    censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
    Russian state-funded media.” "

    <https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

    --
    -alien-
    ~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
    ~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
    ~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~
    Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

    I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the
    DPR. He interviewed some of the residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

    Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.
    Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
    The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

    Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come
    with curry flavor.

    This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the
    end of this war, China will replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

    India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of
    both the US and Russia.

    The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
    Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
    US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
    India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia
    and US.
    From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of
    the Indo-Pacific, even if its only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

    Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the
    West to take a stand or an unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


    How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

    If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

    If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
    After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one
    claw at the China-India border and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

    India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will
    be brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

    China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

    Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.
    Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.


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