On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:41:18 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:44:52 PM UTC, Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.
stoney <zanzib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:41:18 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:44:52 PM UTC, Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking >> > German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal >> > Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and
Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
Israel strikes against Iraq nuclear program had been intended to make
Iraq without means of defense, hadn't they? :-)
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A. Filip wrote:----------------------
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.-----------------
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat. Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat. Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help? >> Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.-----------------
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat. Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat. Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy.
“Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
David P. wrote:-----------
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help? >> Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA. >> > And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.-----------------
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat. Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat. Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost-----------------
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy.
“Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
Putin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:30:26 PM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help? >> Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA. >> > And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.-----------------
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat. Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat. Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
The account chimes with what Putin told the late David FrostPutin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy.
“Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
, bmoore wrote:
David P. wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.-----------------
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat.
Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat. Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
-----------The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost-----------------
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
Putin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
That's why the Founders created the U.S. the way they did, with
Separation of Powers, Rule of Law, Civil Society, Free Press,
Free Elections, Free Markets; to try to "Tame the Beast"!
You know, the Beast that's always lurking, getting ready
to rear it's ugly head!
--
--
On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:32:00 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:30:26 PM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.-----------------
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat.
Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat. Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
Relevant statistical information please.The account chimes with what Putin told the late David FrostPutin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
For example, how many Russian citizens had been unjustedly silenced with and without fatal forces.
, David P. wrote:-------------------
, bmoore wrote:
David P. wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and-----------------
Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat.
Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat.
Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
-----------------------------The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost-----------------
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
Putin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
That's why the Founders created the U.S. the way they did, with
Separation of Powers, Rule of Law, Civil Society, Free Press,
Free Elections, Free Markets; to try to "Tame the Beast"!
You know, the Beast that's always lurking, getting ready
to rear it's ugly head!
Did the founding fathers really know democracy?
Even today, many Western politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.
ltlee1 wrote:Join what club? When was the US a real democracy?
, David P. wrote:
, bmoore wrote:
David P. wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and-----------------
Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat.
Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat.
Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
------------------------------------------------The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost-----------------
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
Putin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
That's why the Founders created the U.S. the way they did, with Separation of Powers, Rule of Law, Civil Society, Free Press,
Free Elections, Free Markets; to try to "Tame the Beast"!
You know, the Beast that's always lurking, getting ready
to rear it's ugly head!
Did the founding fathers really know democracy?
Even today, many Western politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.
There's no excuse! Russia & the others should have joined the club!
But they couldn't humble themselves.....that's the problem!
--
--
On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:10:03 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:32:00 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:30:26 PM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and-----------------
Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat.
Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat.
Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
???Relevant statistical information please.The account chimes with what Putin told the late David FrostPutin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
For example, how many Russian citizens had been unjustedly silenced with and without fatal forces.
Are you actually questioning that Putin is a brutal dictator?
Wow.
David P. wrote:-------------------
ltlee1 wrote: stern politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.Join what club?
-------------------
There's no excuse! Russia & the others should have joined the club!
But they couldn't humble themselves.....that's the problem!
-- ------------
ltlee1 wrote:
David P. wrote:-------------------
ltlee1 wrote: stern politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.Join what club?
-------------------
There's no excuse! Russia & the others should have joined the club!
But they couldn't humble themselves.....that's the problem!
-- ------------
The European Union, of course!
ltlee1 wrote:
David P. wrote:-------------------
ltlee1 wrote: stern politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.Join what club?
-------------------
There's no excuse! Russia & the others should have joined the club!
But they couldn't humble themselves.....that's the problem!
-- ------------
The European Union, of course!
--
--
"David P." <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:EU voting system have not been twisted (yet) to accommodate
David P. wrote:-------------------
ltlee1 wrote: stern politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.Join what club?
-------------------
There's no excuse! Russia & the others should have joined the club!
But they couldn't humble themselves.....that's the problem!
-- ------------
The European Union, of course!
"Russian option". I do believe that EU is fully capable to
deliver such (underhanded) twist :-)
The countries who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who decided
how to count the votes decide everything. [Stalin paraphrased]
--
A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
| Think lucky. If you fall in a pond, check your pockets for fish.
| (Darrell Royal)
David P. wrote:-------------
ltlee1 wrote:Why do you think humbling themselves is the issue?
David P. wrote:-------------------
ltlee1 wrote: stern politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.Join what club?
-------------------
There's no excuse! Russia & the others should have joined the club!
But they couldn't humble themselves.....that's the problem!
-- ------------
The European Union, of course!
--
--
EU is an exclusive club with its own rules and associated costs and benefits .---------------
As a matter of fact, not all European nations have joined the EU. Members such as
Greece also complained vehemently against EU bureaucrats which do not necessarily
consider the interest of member states. Important member such as the UK also chose
to leave.
Anyway, Russia's avowed grievence is mostly against the NATO's eastward expansion.
ltlee1 wrote:
David P. wrote:-------------
ltlee1 wrote:Why do you think humbling themselves is the issue?
David P. wrote:-------------------
ltlee1 wrote: stern politicians still fail to differentiate between democratic politics with democratic governance.Join what club?
-------------------
There's no excuse! Russia & the others should have joined the club! But they couldn't humble themselves.....that's the problem!
-- ------------
The European Union, of course!
--
--
Humility has ALWAYS been the issue for ALL politicians!
--------------
EU is an exclusive club with its own rules and associated costs and benefits .
As a matter of fact, not all European nations have joined the EU. Members such as
Greece also complained vehemently against EU bureaucrats which do not necessarily
consider the interest of member states. Important member such as the UK also chose
to leave.
Anyway, Russia's avowed grievence is mostly against the NATO's eastward expansion.---------------
If Russia, Ukraine & Belarus had joined the EU, that would have been a non-issue!
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On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 12:10:03 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:32:00 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:30:26 PM UTC-7, David P. wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
A. Filip wrote:
stoney wrote:
, ltlee1 wrote:
Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep:
https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Nuclear weapons are deterrents for defense.Can't they be used any other way?
----------------------AFAIR Classical justification of nuke strikes against Hiroshima and-----------------
Nagasaki has been to avoid deaths during _invasion of Japan_.
To put in another way: force _unconditional_ surrender.
Making it "defense" is at very least "(wide) open to challenges".
The US sees Russia's nuclear weapon stockpile as an existential threat.
Russia, in return, sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat.
Russia could win mano e mano. So it signals the use of nuclear weapons to preclude
third party involvement. Is this defensive?
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels, 4 Nov 2021
"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin,
who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said:
‘When are you going to invite us to join NATO?’ And
[Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join
NATO, they apply to join NATO.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re
not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
???Relevant statistical information please.The account chimes with what Putin told the late David FrostPutin started as an elected leader, but that ship has sailed. He is now a brutal dictator. Too bad.
in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated
as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost
he would not rule out joining NATO “if and when Russia’s views are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise NATO as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine
my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call
the civilised world.”" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
For example, how many Russian citizens had been unjustedly silenced with and without fatal forces.
Are you actually questioning that Putin is a brutal dictator?
Wow.Again, it is not about me.
Rather, you made and/or believe a claim. I am asking for evidence.
If you think that a certain God has divined the claimed and no evidence is needed, please inform.
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