Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join the
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:36:39 AM UTC, David P. wrote:Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join theYeltsin as well as Putin had sought to join NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join
The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views aretaken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.”"
ltlee1 wrote:Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
David P. wrote:
Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join theYeltsin as well as Putin had sought to join NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views
Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania chose to join the alliance in 2004; Croatia and Albania followed in 2009. Georgia and Ukraine were promised membership in 2008 but have remained outside."He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.”"But of course, Putin changed his view about the West with time.
The Guardian.com article continues with the following:
"After the Orange Revolution street protests in Ukraine in 2004, Putin became increasingly suspicious of the west, which he blamed for funding pro-democracy NGOs. He was further angered by Nato’s continuing expansion into central and eastern Europe:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:36:39 AM UTC, David P. wrote:Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join theYeltsin as well as Putin had sought to join NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join
The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views aretaken into account as those of an equal partner”.
He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.”"
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:45:00 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:36:39 AM UTC, David P. wrote:
Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join theYeltsin as well as Putin had sought to join NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views
Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania chose to join the alliance in 2004; Croatia and Albania followed in 2009. Georgia and Ukraine were promised membership in 2008 but have remained outside."He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.”"But of course, Putin changed his view about the West with time.
The Guardian.com article continues with the following:
"After the Orange Revolution street protests in Ukraine in 2004, Putin became increasingly suspicious of the west, which he blamed for funding pro-democracy NGOs. He was further angered by Nato’s continuing expansion into central and eastern Europe:
Why did the USA have to help with European security issues for the last
105 years?
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:27:38 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:45:00 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:36:39 AM UTC, David P. wrote:
Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join theYeltsin as well as Putin had sought to join NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views
Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania chose to join the alliance in 2004; Croatia and Albania followed in 2009. Georgia and Ukraine were promised membership in 2008 but have remained outside."He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.”"But of course, Putin changed his view about the West with time.
The Guardian.com article continues with the following:
"After the Orange Revolution street protests in Ukraine in 2004, Putin became increasingly suspicious of the west, which he blamed for funding pro-democracy NGOs. He was further angered by Nato’s continuing expansion into central and eastern Europe:
Besides color Revolution, Putin has other reasons to suspect US/West. And 2004 was indeed the year when the US/West had lost Putin/Russia.
Some news items from 2004.
1. Putin addressed Russia following the Beslan Massacre. He kind of
blamed America for it.
1. http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2004/09/06/002.html
"In his address, Putin chose not to specify what terrorist
organizations are waging a war against Russia. But in a clearly
emotional outburst he revealed that the Kremlin believes some
countries could be supporting the terrorist attacks to try to weaken
Russia, whose nuclear deterrent they see as a threat.
The efforts to "tear off a big chunk of our country" are being
assisted by those who "think that Russia, as one of the greatest
nuclear powers of the world, is still a threat, and this threat has to
be eliminated."
Putin did not say what countries he was referring to, but he appeared
to have Western countries in mind."
2. Putin clashed with US over what Russia could do with Chechyna.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040908-121147-2686r.htm
"The United States and Russia clashed yesterday over a way to end the conflict in the breakaway republic of Chechnya, with Washington
calling for a political solution and Moscow vowing to crush the
separatist movement.
Days after a school siege in the Northern Ossetia region that
claimed at least 350 lives, Russian President Vladimir Putin accused
the West — and the United States in particular — of having a double standard when dealing with terrorism.
"Why don't you meet Osama bin Laden, invite him to Brussels or to
the White House and engage in talks, ask him what he wants and give it
to him so he leaves you in peace?" Mr. Putin told foreign reporters in Moscow late Monday."
ltlee1 wrote:Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
ltlee1 wrote:
David P. wrote:
Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join theYeltsin as well as Putin had sought to join NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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"The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join
are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views
Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania chose to join the alliance in 2004; Croatia and Albania followed in 2009. Georgia and Ukraine were promised membership in 2008 but have remained outside."He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.”"But of course, Putin changed his view about the West with time.
The Guardian.com article continues with the following:
"After the Orange Revolution street protests in Ukraine in 2004, Putin became increasingly suspicious of the west, which he blamed for funding pro-democracy NGOs. He was further angered by Nato’s continuing expansion into central and eastern Europe:
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Why did the USA have to help with European security issues
for the last 105 years?
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"David P." wrote in message news:8cb8cb85-69d3-4ee4-80e6-e5849a8acd69n@googlegroups.com...
Why did the USA have to help with European security issues for the last
105 years?
As I've said before: The next time you Eurofucks start a world war, you'll
be on your own. Twice in the last century we had to come over and put an end to world wars that YOU started.
Sure, we'll loan you all the money and send
you all the materiel you need to duke it out, but "boots on the ground"? FORGET IT! This time we'll just stand back and let the corpses fall where they may, which is what we should have done a hundred years ago...
Byker wrote:---------------------
"David P." wrote:.
Why did the USA have to help with European security issues for the last >> 105 years?
As I've said before: The next time you Eurofucks start a world war, you'll be on your own. Twice in the last century we had to come over and put an endRussia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA. In both
to world wars that YOU started.
wars, it took attacks on your shipping and military bases before you
decided to enter the fray. Of course, in your mind, your late entry
somehow magically erases the three or four years of fighting before you decided to get out of bed.
Sure, we'll loan you all the money and sendYou'll do whatever your ruling elite tells you to. That's where all
you all the materiel you need to duke it out, but "boots on the ground"? FORGET IT! This time we'll just stand back and let the corpses fall where they may, which is what we should have done a hundred years ago... --------------------
your talk of freedom always ends.
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.
Incubus wrote:
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal
Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep: https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:44:52 PM UTC, Byker wrote:
Incubus wrote:
Russia did far more to put a stop to World War 2 than the USA.And had it not been for Lend-Lease, Oleg and his ilk would be speaking German. And they KNOW it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpUdhj-9A8&t=30s
Yeah, Oleg, keep that in mind the next time you see footage of Marshal Zhukov being driven around in a U.S.-made Willys jeep: https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/Which nation is strong enough such that Russia has to ask for help?
Without doubt, the US is militarily the strongest.
But then don't forget, Russia has as many nuclear weapons as the US.
Why didn't Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus join the
European Union? They joined the United Nations!!
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