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    From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 17 17:49:06 2022
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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 17 19:04:22 2022
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "
    Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Mar 18 02:07:44 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "
    Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.

    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 08:03:34 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:46 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a
    "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.

    Point is that heavily criticizing the Italian press while remaining 100% silent about the much much worse Chinese press is totally hypocritical and makes all you say suspect. That's the actual truth.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 23 12:04:57 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a
    "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.

    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 23 12:20:19 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by
    a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?

    You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Mar 24 12:04:42 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied
    by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?
    You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.

    What larger truth?
    War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
    MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
    If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?


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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 24 16:27:24 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was
    accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?
    You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
    What larger truth?
    War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
    MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
    If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?

    Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?

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  • From borie@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 24 19:06:19 2022
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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Mar 25 06:00:15 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was
    accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?
    You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
    What larger truth?
    War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
    MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
    If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
    Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?

    I heard of the World Trade Center.
    I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
    About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.

    At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
    How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 07:05:44 2022
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:00:18 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was
    accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?
    You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
    What larger truth?
    War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
    MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
    If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
    Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?
    I heard of the World Trade Center.
    I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
    About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.

    At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
    How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.

    I like how you move the goalposts to include Iraq.

    Obviously, the Taliban were harboring the people behind 9/11. Your logic is not logical.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 10:03:49 2022
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:05:45 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:00:18 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was
    accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?
    You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
    What larger truth?
    War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
    MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
    If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
    Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?
    I heard of the World Trade Center.
    I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
    About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.

    At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
    How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.
    I like how you move the goalposts to include Iraq.
    Obviously, the Taliban were harboring the people behind 9/11. Your logic is not logical.
    Was the Afghan people or Taliban behind 9/11? Again, the answer is NO. You can't dispute that. Do you?

    "Behind" at least means intention and involved in part of the planning.
    In case you don't already know, America CIA had financed directly and indirectly various Mujuhadeen groups and used them
    to fight the former USSR in Afghanistan. Results: Afghanistan as a nation was broken and extremely poor after all the fighting.
    Some
    groups left and some stayed behind. The Taliban itself was also fighting for its own existence. Zero evidence that
    it wanted to harm the US and/or involved in the 9/11 attack.

    OK. You choose the word harboring. But harboring devoid of a sense of "behind" is quite meaningless.
    For example, Mexico drug gangs can now produce narcotics in their own labs. They then export narcotics to the US which killed
    tens of thousands Americans every year. Is the Mexican government harboring the drug gangs? Of course not. A better description
    would be: The Mexican government is too incompetent to restrict the action of the drug gangs.

    The same conclusion regarding Afghanistan. LIke Iraq, Afghanistan was not behind the 9/11 attack.
    The US invaded Afghanistan not because the nation was behind the attack. Rather, America and Americans wanted blood.
    Bush delivered. The extra-credit was that the invasion and subsequent occupation would preclude a second attack. So it is
    also a preventive war.

    Dumb post.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Mar 25 09:34:33 2022
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:05:45 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:00:18 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    The age old question is
    "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
    The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
    The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was
    accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
    In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

    Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
    Can you not face the truth?
    Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
    Different people often see things differently.
    Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
    I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
    Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
    Bad journalism?
    You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
    What larger truth?
    War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
    MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
    If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
    Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?
    I heard of the World Trade Center.
    I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
    About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.

    At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
    How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.
    I like how you move the goalposts to include Iraq.
    Obviously, the Taliban were harboring the people behind 9/11. Your logic is not logical.

    Was the Afghan people or Taliban behind 9/11? Again, the answer is NO. You can't dispute that. Do you?

    "Behind" at least means intention and involved in part of the planning.
    In case you don't already know, America CIA had financed directly and indirectly various Mujuhadeen groups and used them
    to fight the former USSR in Afghanistan. Results: Afghanistan as a nation was broken and extremely poor after all the fighting.
    Some
    groups left and some stayed behind. The Taliban itself was also fighting for its own existence. Zero evidence that
    it wanted to harm the US and/or involved in the 9/11 attack.

    OK. You choose the word harboring. But harboring devoid of a sense of "behind" is quite meaningless.
    For example, Mexico drug gangs can now produce narcotics in their own labs. They then export narcotics to the US which killed
    tens of thousands Americans every year. Is the Mexican government harboring the drug gangs? Of course not. A better description
    would be: The Mexican government is too incompetent to restrict the action of the drug gangs.

    The same conclusion regarding Afghanistan. LIke Iraq, Afghanistan was not behind the 9/11 attack.
    The US invaded Afghanistan not because the nation was behind the attack. Rather, America and Americans wanted blood.
    Bush delivered. The extra-credit was that the invasion and subsequent occupation would preclude a second attack. So it is
    also a preventive war.


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