Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two
...why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and the
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That is
The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in theeyes of the world that Putin “lost.”
...leader of the free world.
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role as
...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two
...why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and the
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That is
The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in theeyes of the world that Putin “lost.”
...leader of the free world.
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role as
...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 11:11:12 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two
why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and the...
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That is
eyes of the world that Putin “lost.”The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in the
leader of the free world....
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role as
...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/The best ending would be the overthrow of the brutal dictator Putin, who is destroying Russia and Ukraine.
"bmoore" wrote in message
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The best ending would be the overthrow of the brutal dictator Putin, whoIt'll be interesting to see how much he can get away
is destroying Russia and Ukraine.
with before he gets the Lavrenti Beria treatment...
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 6:11:12 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two
why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and the...
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That is
eyes of the world that Putin “lost.”The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in the
leader of the free world....
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role as
...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/Another possible ending: Ukraine will be dismembered until extinction, just like what the West did to ex-Yugoslavia.
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 11:11:12 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:[…]
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise
of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas
of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and
airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two semi-states, the
western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half
a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/
The best ending would be the overthrow of the brutal dictator Putin,
who is destroying Russia and Ukraine.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 11:11:12 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:[…]
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings. >>
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise
of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas
of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and
airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two semi-states, the
western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half
a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/
The best ending would be the overthrow of the brutal dictator Putin,*WHO* is the judge?
who is destroying Russia and Ukraine.
I am sure not everyone shares your opinion *especially* at s.c.china.
There is a lot of choices between (whole) support and condemnation
e.g. lukewarm "support".
P.S. Do you remember Russian Korea/Manchuria? [Russia-Japan War (1905)]
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 6:26:19 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:two semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 11:11:12 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into
is why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and...
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That
the eyes of the world that Putin “lost.”The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in
as leader of the free world....
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role
...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
Unlikely and rationally thinking people may not like that outcome.https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/The best ending would be the overthrow of the brutal dictator Putin, who is destroying Russia and Ukraine.
"Also not going to happen is some sort of regime change inside Russia. Putin has been in charge for 22 years and controls the media, the military, and the intelligence services. Those were the people who brought Putin to power in Russia’s last coup.There is no means to the end the West wishes for, and no clear evidence the people of Russia want such an outcome in the first place. After all, a million pink hats in Washington accomplished…very little. A few protests scattered across the vastness of
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two
...why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and the
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That is
The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in theeyes of the world that Putin “lost.”
...leader of the free world.
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role as
...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 2:11:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into two
why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and the...
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That is
eyes of the world that Putin “lost.”The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in the
leader of the free world....
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role as
New governing council installed and new management completed and closed. It will be registered as a republic state of Russia....
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/Ending is part of the plans in the making of invasion objectives. Each stage is in the objective of the invasion plans. The objective is not tell now until the invasion is completed. When objective is completed, the next phase to takeover the country.
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 6:26:19 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:two semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 11:11:12 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into
is why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and...
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That
the eyes of the world that Putin “lost.”The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in
as leader of the free world....
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role
There is no means to the end the West wishes for, and no clear evidence the people of Russia want such an outcome in the first place. After all, a million pink hats in Washington accomplished…very little. A few protests scattered across the vastness of...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
Unlikely and rationally thinking people may not like that outcome.https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/The best ending would be the overthrow of the brutal dictator Putin, who is destroying Russia and Ukraine.
"Also not going to happen is some sort of regime change inside Russia. Putin has been in charge for 22 years and controls the media, the military, and the intelligence services. Those were the people who brought Putin to power in Russia’s last coup.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 11:37:14 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:two semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 6:26:19 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 11:11:12 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into
is why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and...
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That
the eyes of the world that Putin “lost.”The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in
role as leader of the free world....
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed
There is no means to the end the West wishes for, and no clear evidence the people of Russia want such an outcome in the first place. After all, a million pink hats in Washington accomplished…very little. A few protests scattered across the vastness...
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
Unlikely and rationally thinking people may not like that outcome.https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/The best ending would be the overthrow of the brutal dictator Putin, who is destroying Russia and Ukraine.
"Also not going to happen is some sort of regime change inside Russia. Putin has been in charge for 22 years and controls the media, the military, and the intelligence services. Those were the people who brought Putin to power in Russia’s last coup.
It's a rational outcome. Either Ukraine ceases to exist or it will continue to fight Russia for the return of its occupied land. How does this current war happen? First, Russia took over Crimea and Lugansk and Donetsk. Then Ukraine wanted to take itback. Now that Russia has captured more of Ukraine's land, will it give them up? Not likely. Then Ukraine will have to get into a bigger fight with Russia. This will go on and on as long as there is a Ukraine.
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:29:28 AM UTC, borie wrote:two semi-states, the western half nominally under Ukrainian control and the eastern half a Russian zone with a new Iron Curtain in place.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 2:11:12 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
Peter Van Buren, former US Foreign Service employee offers some endings.
"The Best Case for Everyone is the Russians, perhaps under the guise of some humanitarian gesture, withdraw to the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine and some strategic points, things like bridges and airports. Ukraine is essentially divided into
is why he agreed to safe corridors westward for refugees and why he has held back sustained shelling and rocketing of Kiev, for now. Depopulation aids Putin in neutering eastern Ukraine and avoids later ethnic conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and...
Putin made this strategy clear in his asks for a ceasefire: that Ukraine accept demilitarization, declare itself neutral, and drop its bid to join NATO. He does not really want the cities, and he does not want to occupy a hostile population. That
the eyes of the world that Putin “lost.”The Next Best Case is NATO makes a secret agreement to keep Ukraine out of the alliance in return for Putin withdrawing in whole or in part (see above). This is very tricky diplomacy, as it cannot appear NATO appeased Putin and it cannot seem in
as leader of the free world....
A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again.
The idea may prove tempting to Putin. He can claim full victory, be done forever with the Ukrainian problem, leave NATO looking emasculated, strike fear into the other former satellites, and leave Joe Biden out of a job in his self-proclaimed role
New governing council installed and new management completed and closed. It will be registered as a republic state of Russia....
Anything can happen, but Putin “losing” in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tell-me-how-ukraine-ends/Ending is part of the plans in the making of invasion objectives. Each stage is in the objective of the invasion plans. The objective is not tell now until the invasion is completed. When objective is completed, the next phase to takeover the country.
Peter Van Buren considered occupying Ukraine a very bad choice for Putin.
"A Very Bad Case would be a decision by Putin to occupy or destroy Ukraine, install a puppet government, and roll his army right to the Polish border as if it were 1975 all over again. "
You disagree with his depiction. First of all, how many Russian soldiers are needed to occupy Ukraine to keep it a republic state of Russia?
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