"Preventive war occurs when a state launches a military conflict to prevent another state or other international actor from becoming a threat. This type of war differs from the more typical situation in which states go to war after a period of crisisor as a reaction to a particular event. Preventive wars are not in response to a specific crisis or direct threat to security, but rather to a perception of a potential change in the future balance of power between a state and its likely adversaries.
Although preventive war is a fairly rare path to war, there are nonetheless many examples of it throughout history.including nuclear weapons. This decision to go to war was in keeping with what some observers believe is a new American doctrine of preventive war (sometimes referred to as the "Bush Doctrine.")"
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One of the most controversial examples of preventive war took place in 2003, when the United States led a coalition to war against Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD),
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:38:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:or as a reaction to a particular event. Preventive wars are not in response to a specific crisis or direct threat to security, but rather to a perception of a potential change in the future balance of power between a state and its likely adversaries.
"Preventive war occurs when a state launches a military conflict to prevent another state or other international actor from becoming a threat. This type of war differs from the more typical situation in which states go to war after a period of crisis
including nuclear weapons. This decision to go to war was in keeping with what some observers believe is a new American doctrine of preventive war (sometimes referred to as the "Bush Doctrine.")"Although preventive war is a fairly rare path to war, there are nonetheless many examples of it throughout history.
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One of the most controversial examples of preventive war took place in 2003, when the United States led a coalition to war against Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD),
"Preventive war" has not been mentioned in describing Russian aggression against Ukraine in Western media. Nevertheless, the current Russo-Ukraine conflict is still a preventive war no different from US aggression in Iraq as well as Afghanistan perWestern current norm and standard.
Iraq was invaded on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction. Afghanistan was invaded, not because Afghanistan as a nation or the ruling party had done anything to harm the US, but because itmight allow Al-Qaeda to use the country to launch further attacks on the US.
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:35:16 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:crisis or as a reaction to a particular event. Preventive wars are not in response to a specific crisis or direct threat to security, but rather to a perception of a potential change in the future balance of power between a state and its likely
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:38:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
"Preventive war occurs when a state launches a military conflict to prevent another state or other international actor from becoming a threat. This type of war differs from the more typical situation in which states go to war after a period of
including nuclear weapons. This decision to go to war was in keeping with what some observers believe is a new American doctrine of preventive war (sometimes referred to as the "Bush Doctrine.")"Although preventive war is a fairly rare path to war, there are nonetheless many examples of it throughout history.
...
One of the most controversial examples of preventive war took place in 2003, when the United States led a coalition to war against Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD),
Western current norm and standard."Preventive war" has not been mentioned in describing Russian aggression against Ukraine in Western media. Nevertheless, the current Russo-Ukraine conflict is still a preventive war no different from US aggression in Iraq as well as Afghanistan per
it might allow Al-Qaeda to use the country to launch further attacks on the US.Iraq was invaded on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction. Afghanistan was invaded, not because Afghanistan as a nation or the ruling party had done anything to harm the US, but because
What is your point?
Do you support Russia in the war in Ukraine? Did you support the US in the war in Iraq in 2003? To be consistent with your logic your answer must be yes-yes or no-no. Otherwise you are inconsistent. Agreed?
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 6:39:04 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:crisis or as a reaction to a particular event. Preventive wars are not in response to a specific crisis or direct threat to security, but rather to a perception of a potential change in the future balance of power between a state and its likely
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:35:16 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:38:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
"Preventive war occurs when a state launches a military conflict to prevent another state or other international actor from becoming a threat. This type of war differs from the more typical situation in which states go to war after a period of
including nuclear weapons. This decision to go to war was in keeping with what some observers believe is a new American doctrine of preventive war (sometimes referred to as the "Bush Doctrine.")"Although preventive war is a fairly rare path to war, there are nonetheless many examples of it throughout history.
...
One of the most controversial examples of preventive war took place in 2003, when the United States led a coalition to war against Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD),
Western current norm and standard."Preventive war" has not been mentioned in describing Russian aggression against Ukraine in Western media. Nevertheless, the current Russo-Ukraine conflict is still a preventive war no different from US aggression in Iraq as well as Afghanistan per
it might allow Al-Qaeda to use the country to launch further attacks on the US.Iraq was invaded on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction. Afghanistan was invaded, not because Afghanistan as a nation or the ruling party had done anything to harm the US, but because
What is your point?
Do you support Russia in the war in Ukraine? Did you support the US in the war in Iraq in 2003? To be consistent with your logic your answer must be yes-yes or no-no. Otherwise you are inconsistent. Agreed?Actually, the two cases are not totally the same.
Ukraine is just next to Russia. Iraq and Afghanistan thousands of miles away.
To be sure, Al Qaeda had used Afghanistan as the base to launch the 9/11 bombings. But its success should be of the low probability kind.
Ukraine is geographically the gateway to invade Russia. Russian enemies had been attacked via by both Sweden and the German.
In addition, Russia and Ukraine has a serious border problem. When the USSR imploded, internal border suddenly became international border.
This is why Ukraine has a large population of ethnic Russians insides its border.
My answer to your question is neither yes-yes or no-no but 30% and 70%.
I would have a 70% of ordering the attack if I were Putin and 30% ordering the attack on Afghanistan if I were Bush.
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:54:04 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
the attack on Afghanistan if I were Bush.
Hmm. So Afghanistan was harboring the international criminal behind the
World Trade Center destruction and Ukraine is angering Putin but no one in Russia has been attacked. Such sound logic.
bmoore, <news:23a47e2d-f919-4609...@googlegroups.com>
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:54:04 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
the attack on Afghanistan if I were Bush.
Hmm. So Afghanistan was harboring the international criminal behind the World Trade Center destruction and Ukraine is angering Putin but no one in Russia has been attacked. Such sound logic.Donbas was attacked for about 8 years with thousands of casualties.
bmoore, <news:23a47e2d-f919-4609...@googlegroups.com>
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:54:04 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
the attack on Afghanistan if I were Bush.
Hmm. So Afghanistan was harboring the international criminal behind the World Trade Center destruction and Ukraine is angering Putin but no one in Russia has been attacked. Such sound logic.Donbas was attacked for about 8 years with thousands of casualties.
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:54:04 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:crisis or as a reaction to a particular event. Preventive wars are not in response to a specific crisis or direct threat to security, but rather to a perception of a potential change in the future balance of power between a state and its likely
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 6:39:04 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:35:16 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:38:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
"Preventive war occurs when a state launches a military conflict to prevent another state or other international actor from becoming a threat. This type of war differs from the more typical situation in which states go to war after a period of
, including nuclear weapons. This decision to go to war was in keeping with what some observers believe is a new American doctrine of preventive war (sometimes referred to as the "Bush Doctrine.")"Although preventive war is a fairly rare path to war, there are nonetheless many examples of it throughout history.
...
One of the most controversial examples of preventive war took place in 2003, when the United States led a coalition to war against Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD)
per Western current norm and standard."Preventive war" has not been mentioned in describing Russian aggression against Ukraine in Western media. Nevertheless, the current Russo-Ukraine conflict is still a preventive war no different from US aggression in Iraq as well as Afghanistan
because it might allow Al-Qaeda to use the country to launch further attacks on the US.Iraq was invaded on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction. Afghanistan was invaded, not because Afghanistan as a nation or the ruling party had done anything to harm the US, but
What is your point?
Do you support Russia in the war in Ukraine? Did you support the US in the war in Iraq in 2003? To be consistent with your logic your answer must be yes-yes or no-no. Otherwise you are inconsistent. Agreed?Actually, the two cases are not totally the same.
Ukraine is just next to Russia. Iraq and Afghanistan thousands of miles away.
To be sure, Al Qaeda had used Afghanistan as the base to launch the 9/11 bombings. But its success should be of the low probability kind.
Ukraine is geographically the gateway to invade Russia. Russian enemies had been attacked via by both Sweden and the German.
In addition, Russia and Ukraine has a serious border problem. When the USSR imploded, internal border suddenly became international border.
This is why Ukraine has a large population of ethnic Russians insides its border.
My answer to your question is neither yes-yes or no-no but 30% and 70%.Hmm. So Afghanistan was harboring the international criminal behind the World Trade Center destruction and Ukraine is angering Putin but no one in Russia has been attacked. Such sound logic.
I would have a 70% of ordering the attack if I were Putin and 30% ordering the attack on Afghanistan if I were Bush.
"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:t0oa62$8ql$1...@os.motzarella.org...
Donbas was attacked for about 8 years with thousands of casualties.On whose side?
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 6:39:04 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:crisis or as a reaction to a particular event. Preventive wars are not in response to a specific crisis or direct threat to security, but rather to a perception of a potential change in the future balance of power between a state and its likely
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:35:16 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:38:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
"Preventive war occurs when a state launches a military conflict to prevent another state or other international actor from becoming a threat. This type of war differs from the more typical situation in which states go to war after a period of
including nuclear weapons. This decision to go to war was in keeping with what some observers believe is a new American doctrine of preventive war (sometimes referred to as the "Bush Doctrine.")"Although preventive war is a fairly rare path to war, there are nonetheless many examples of it throughout history.
...
One of the most controversial examples of preventive war took place in 2003, when the United States led a coalition to war against Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD),
Western current norm and standard."Preventive war" has not been mentioned in describing Russian aggression against Ukraine in Western media. Nevertheless, the current Russo-Ukraine conflict is still a preventive war no different from US aggression in Iraq as well as Afghanistan per
it might allow Al-Qaeda to use the country to launch further attacks on the US.Iraq was invaded on the grounds that Saddam Hussein's regime continued to work on developing weapons of mass destruction. Afghanistan was invaded, not because Afghanistan as a nation or the ruling party had done anything to harm the US, but because
What is your point?
Do you support Russia in the war in Ukraine? Did you support the US in the war in Iraq in 2003? To be consistent with your logic your answer must be yes-yes or no-no. Otherwise you are inconsistent. Agreed?Actually, the two cases are not totally the same.
Ukraine is just next to Russia. Iraq and Afghanistan thousands of miles away.
To be sure, Al Qaeda had used Afghanistan as the base to launch the 9/11 bombings. But its success should be of the low probability kind.
Ukraine is geographically the gateway to invade Russia. Russian enemies had been attacked via by both Sweden and the German.
In addition, Russia and Ukraine has a serious border problem. When the USSR imploded, internal border suddenly became international border.
This is why Ukraine has a large population of ethnic Russians insides its border.
My answer to your question is neither yes-yes or no-no but 30% and 70%.
I would have a 70% of ordering the attack if I were Putin and 30% ordering the attack on Afghanistan if I were Bush.
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