• [False Accusation] US slams China for pushing Russias preposterouslab t

    From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 09:00:42 2022
    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/us-slams-china-for-pushing-russias-preposterous-lab-theory

    "WASHINGTON (BLOOMBERG) - The US criticised China and Russia for promoting a conspiracy theory that the US military runs biolabs in Ukraine, escalating a dispute over attempts at misleading the public over the war in Europe.

    "We took note of Russia's false claims about alleged US biological weapons labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine," White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said in a statement on Thursday (March 10). "We've also seen Chinese officials echo these
    conspiracy theories."

    She described the allegations as "preposterous" and the "kind of disinformation operation we've seen repeatedly from the Russians over the years.""

    Is the US telling the truth or promulgating falsehood?
    Indirectly, is The STRAITS TIMES informing their readers or misinforming their readers intentionally or unintentionally?

    Well, looks like a difficult case for average readers to decide which side is trustworthy. But thanks to Tucker Carlson. Looks like the US is lying about biological weapon labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-questions-biolabs-ukraine-everyone-asking

    "Wednesday, we told you that the Biden administration is funding a number of secretive biolabs in Ukraine, labs that are conducting experiments on highly dangerous pathogens. Now, that's not a story as we told you, that we wanted to do. In fact, we didn'
    t think it could be true. It's so over-the-top and bizarre and in any case, the administration had repeatedly and very aggressively denied that they were doing anything like this and then they attacked anyone who has questions about it as a tool of
    Russia.

    We foolishly assumed that in this one instance, they might be telling the truth and then out of nowhere, the Biden official in charge of Ukraine confirmed the story. Toria Nuland, the Under Secretary of State, casually mentioned in a Senate hearing on
    Tuesday that actually, yes, the Biden administration does fund a series of biolabs in Ukraine and whatever is in these labs is so dangerous that she is deeply concerned these materials will fall into the hands of the Russian military.

    Now, that struck us as a shocking development. Once again, not for the first time, what had seemed like a nutty conspiracy theory turned out to be true. Toria Nuland's testimony raised at least two immediate questions. What exactly are these labs doing
    with our money and in our name? And why didn't the Biden administration secure the contents of these labs before the Russians invaded?

    So far, we haven't received any answer at all to the second question. We think we're the only ones who have even asked it. Whoever decided to leave deadly biological materials sitting in Ukraine as Russian troops massed on the border has not yet been
    identified. We hope that person will be identified. We'll keep asking.

    As for the first question, what exactly is going on in these labs? We've gotten several answers, all of them insulting. Initially, the administration claimed the labs were designed to help the Ukrainians fight tuberculosis, as well as various livestock
    diseases. That's what officials told members of Congress. It didn't seem plausible and, in fact, it's not plausible. And then after our show last night, the Pentagon released what it non-ironically called a fact sheet designed to make the biolab story
    seem small and ridiculous.

    … And then after our show last night, the Pentagon released what it non-ironically called a fact sheet designed to make the biolab story seem small and ridiculous. …

    This is not actually a story. The Pentagon's been doing it since 2005, working with Ukrainians to "eliminate biological weapons left behind by the Soviets." That makes sense, but wait. 2005 was 17 years ago. How long does it take to eliminate Soviet
    bioweapons? Seventeen years seems like a long time. If you had 17 years and ample funding from Congress, you could probably remove and catalog every grain of sand on Waikiki Beach and yet somehow, over that same period 17 years, the Pentagon has not
    finished removing test tubes from Soviet-era freezers.

    How does that work exactly? How heavy are these bioweapons? Do we lack the transportation capacity to get them out of Ukraine and bury them in the desert in Nevada? When was the Pentagon planning to finish this important job? In 20 years? In 50 years?
    Those all seem like very obvious questions, but not a single reporter asked any of those questions.

    Meanwhile, over at CNN, perhaps where the first explanation didn't make sense once you thought about it, offered a new alibi. According to CNN's site, the labs in Ukraine exist to "secure old Soviet weapons." Ok, secure, not eliminate, which raises the
    question: what does it mean to secure a bioweapon? And again, why has it taken 17 years to do it? And by the way, if these are really just old Soviet weapons, why is Toria Nuland so worried they will wind up in the hands of old Soviets who presumably
    already have these very same weapons—probably don't need more. It's absurd when you think about it. So, don't think about it and that was the point of today's coverage of the Biden administration's secret Ukrainian biolabs. Stop thinking about it.
    Start accepting what they tell you at face value. Otherwise, you are an agent of Russia."

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 18:44:24 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
    Well, looks like a difficult case for average readers to decide which side is trustworthy. But thanks to Tucker Carlson. Looks like the US is lying about biological weapon labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine.

    Tucker Carlson, like many dumb Americans, likes Putin, the nutjob. Russia and China are working hard to fool the world. Of course.

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  • From alien@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 12 04:56:43 2022
    On 11 Mar 2022 at 18.00.42 GMT+1, "ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/us-slams-china-for-pushing-russias-preposterous-lab-theory

    "WASHINGTON (BLOOMBERG) - The US criticised China and Russia for promoting a conspiracy theory that the US military runs biolabs in Ukraine, escalating a dispute over attempts at misleading the public over the war in Europe.

    "We took note of Russia's false claims about alleged US biological weapons labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine," White House Press Secretary
    Jen Psaki said in a statement on Thursday (March 10). "We've also seen Chinese
    officials echo these conspiracy theories."

    She described the allegations as "preposterous" and the "kind of disinformation operation we've seen repeatedly from the Russians over the years.""

    Is the US telling the truth or promulgating falsehood?
    Indirectly, is The STRAITS TIMES informing their readers or misinforming their
    readers intentionally or unintentionally?

    Well, looks like a difficult case for average readers to decide which side is trustworthy. But thanks to Tucker Carlson. Looks like the US is lying about biological weapon labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-questions-biolabs-ukraine-everyone-asking

    "Wednesday, we told you that the Biden administration is funding a number of secretive biolabs in Ukraine, labs that are conducting experiments on highly dangerous pathogens. Now, that's not a story as we told you, that we wanted to
    do. In fact, we didn't think it could be true. It's so over-the-top and bizarre and in any case, the administration had repeatedly and very aggressively denied that they were doing anything like this and then they attacked anyone who has questions about it as a tool of Russia.


    Wait, I think the state also funding bio labs in China and working with highly dangerous pathogens, so it should be in the same situation then?
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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Mar 12 03:24:01 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:44:26 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
    Well, looks like a difficult case for average readers to decide which side is trustworthy. But thanks to Tucker Carlson. Looks like the US is lying about biological weapon labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine.
    Tucker Carlson, like many dumb Americans, likes Putin, the nutjob. Russia and China are working hard to fool the world. Of course.

    Feel free to consider Tucker Carlson dumb or whatever. Nevertheless, one should judge the merit of the statements such as the following:

    "Toria Nuland, the Under Secretary of State, casually mentioned in a Senate hearing on Tuesday that actually, yes, the Biden administration does fund a series of biolabs in Ukraine and whatever is in these labs is so dangerous that she is deeply
    concerned these materials will fall into the hands of the Russian military."

    And, "… And then after our show last night, the Pentagon released what it non-ironically called a fact sheet designed to make the biolab story seem small and ridiculous. …

    This is not actually a story. The Pentagon's been doing it since 2005, working with Ukrainians to "eliminate biological weapons left behind by the Soviets." That makes sense, but wait. 2005 was 17 years ago. How long does it take to eliminate Soviet
    bioweapons? Seventeen years seems like a long time."

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 15:37:22 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:24:02 AM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:44:26 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
    Well, looks like a difficult case for average readers to decide which side is trustworthy. But thanks to Tucker Carlson. Looks like the US is lying about biological weapon labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine.
    Tucker Carlson, like many dumb Americans, likes Putin, the nutjob. Russia and China are working hard to fool the world. Of course.
    Feel free to consider Tucker Carlson dumb or whatever. Nevertheless, one should judge the merit of the statements such as the following:
    "Toria Nuland, the Under Secretary of State, casually mentioned in a Senate hearing on Tuesday that actually, yes, the Biden administration does fund a series of biolabs in Ukraine and whatever is in these labs is so dangerous that she is deeply
    concerned these materials will fall into the hands of the Russian military."
    And, "… And then after our show last night, the Pentagon released what it non-ironically called a fact sheet designed to make the biolab story seem small and ridiculous. …

    Biolabs. No mention of bioweapons. Big difference.

    This is not actually a story. The Pentagon's been doing it since 2005, working with Ukrainians to "eliminate biological weapons left behind by the Soviets." That makes sense, but wait. 2005 was 17 years ago. How long does it take to eliminate Soviet
    bioweapons? Seventeen years seems like a long time."

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