The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted
subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia under
Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal and
destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his shirt,
diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in international
politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate
ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which
is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets to
demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to the
Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to militarily
defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states became
independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states again.
To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK. They ran
covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on the island
of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its against the
Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal that the US.
The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the world
should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

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On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted

subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia under

Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal and

destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his shirt,
diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in international
politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate

ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which

is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets to

demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to the

Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states became

independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states again. To
prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK. They ran

covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on the

island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its against

the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal that
the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the world

should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Dumb post.

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On 25/2/2022 10:27 am, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted

subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia under

Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal and

destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his shirt,
diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in international
politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate

ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev

which is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets to

demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to the

Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states became

independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states again.
To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK. They ran

covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on the

island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its against

the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal that
the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the world

should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Well said.

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On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted

subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia under

Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal and

destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his shirt,
diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in international
politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate

ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which

is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets to

demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to the

Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states became

independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states again. To
prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK. They ran

covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on the

island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its against

the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal that
the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the world

should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an exception.�
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On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an exception.

”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan disagrees with
these bullies.

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On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:39:22 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an

exception.”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan disagrees

with these bullies.

Chinese Foreign Minister: "all countries’ sovereignty must be respected". This is a neutral statement. The leader of any country would have said that.

Chinese President has called for high-level negotiation between Russia and Ukraine. This is another neutral approach to the situation.

The Chinese leadership has a profound understanding of the issue between Russia and Ukraine. It knows the dirty role the US-led West has played to bring about the current situation.

The US-led West continues to play the same dirty trick on China. Hong Kong is now a lost cause. Taiwan has become the focus. What is happening to Ukraine is a good lesson for Taiwan. If Taiwan swallow the bait of those fake and vague American-owned
concept of democracy, freedom and human rights and allow itself to be trained into an attack dog of the US against China, it will end up worse than Ukraine.

The Americans never dare to take on the Russians. This was true when Russia-led Warsaw Pact troops attacked Czechoslovakia. It is true again today when Russia attacked Ukraine. Why? Its the Russian military might, especially its nuclear arsenal. This is
a lesson for the Chinese. If it can reach parity with the US in military capability, especially nuclear-wise, all its problems with the US would evaporate into thin air. Taiwan would return to the embrace of its Motherland.

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On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted

subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia under

Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal and

destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his shirt,
diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in international
politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next,

instigate ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev

which is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets to

demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to the

Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states became

independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states again. To
prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK. They

ran covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening
between the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on the

island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its against

the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal that
the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the world

should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter so that he
could remain behind to fight the Ukrainians!

https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS

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On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:28:06 PM UTC-8, paul polikos wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:39:22 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an

exception.”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan disagrees

with these bullies.

Chinese Foreign Minister: "all countries’ sovereignty must be respected". This is a neutral statement. The leader of any country would have said that.

Chinese President has called for high-level negotiation between Russia and Ukraine. This is another neutral approach to the situation.

The Chinese leadership has a profound understanding of the issue between Russia and Ukraine. It knows the dirty role the US-led West has played to bring about the current situation.

The US-led West continues to play the same dirty trick on China. Hong Kong is now a lost cause. Taiwan has become the focus. What is happening to Ukraine is a good lesson for Taiwan. If Taiwan swallow the bait of those fake and vague American-owned

concept of democracy, freedom and human rights and allow itself to be trained into an attack dog of the US against China, it will end up worse than Ukraine.

The Americans never dare to take on the Russians. This was true when Russia-led Warsaw Pact troops attacked Czechoslovakia. It is true again today when Russia attacked Ukraine. Why? Its the Russian military might, especially its nuclear arsenal. This

is a lesson for the Chinese. If it can reach parity with the US in military capability, especially nuclear-wise, all its problems with the US would evaporate into thin air. Taiwan would return to the embrace of its Motherland.

Yeah, "embrace of the motherland" is code for death grip. You've never been to Taiwan, obviously.

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On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:28:06 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:39:22 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an

exception.”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan disagrees

with these bullies.

Chinese Foreign Minister: "all countries’ sovereignty must be respected". This is a neutral statement. The leader of any country would have said that.

Chinese President has called for high-level negotiation between Russia and Ukraine. This is another neutral approach to the situation.

The Chinese leadership has a profound understanding of the issue between Russia and Ukraine. It knows the dirty role the US-led West has played to bring about the current situation.

The US-led West continues to play the same dirty trick on China. Hong Kong is now a lost cause. Taiwan has become the focus. What is happening to Ukraine is a good lesson for Taiwan. If Taiwan swallow the bait of those fake and vague American-owned

concept of democracy, freedom and human rights and allow itself to be trained into an attack dog of the US against China, it will end up worse than Ukraine.

The Americans never dare to take on the Russians. This was true when Russia-led Warsaw Pact troops attacked Czechoslovakia. It is true again today when Russia attacked Ukraine. Why? Its the Russian military might, especially its nuclear arsenal. This

is a lesson for the Chinese. If it can reach parity with the US in military capability, especially nuclear-wise, all its problems with the US would evaporate into thin air. Taiwan would return to the embrace of its Motherland.

The war doesn’t seem to be going well for Russia, at the moment.

The Russians expectations have not materialised. Taking lessons from the swift victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Russians have expected :
1. Ukrainian government forces to be lacking in the will to fight and
2. the general population will be nonchalant to the fight.

But both are not happening. Government forces are putting up stiff resistance and the people are responding enthusiastically to the call for mass mobilisation.

As the fight drags on, it will quickly become problematic for the Russians because US and European military aids are reaching Ukraine in swift flows.

The way out for the Russian now is to attack Kiev and bring down the government there in one swift and strong blow. This will break the spirit of the resistance.

Otherwise, Russia risk being bogged down into a long drawn war, i.e., Ukraine will become Russia’s Vietnam.
That’s the ending the US-led West would love to see.

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On 25/2/2022 10:27 am, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted

subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia under

Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal and

destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his shirt,
diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in international
politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate

ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev

which is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets to

demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to the

Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states became

independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states again.
To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK. They ran

covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on the

island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its against

the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal that
the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the world

should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Taiwan must return to China, without any interference from US and the world,too. US should not engage in double standards. Why they don't
fight Russia for invasion into Ukraine which does not belong to Russia
at all.

But US wants to fight for Taiwan, if China invades to take back Taiwan,
which is the property of China. Taiwanese know who is their homeland is.
Their homeland is China and not US. US is not their motherland, but
China is. They want their homeland to take charge of Taiwan.

They know their corrupted politicians are going to sell out Taiwan as
vassal state of the US. They know and seen how the people and leaders in
those vassal states like Japan and South Korea are "backside sniffers"
of US backsides.

Therefore they don't want to see Taiwanese who are Chinese people to be
the vassal state of the US what like what the "sissy" leader of South
Korea and Japan will remain doing kowtowing the US on the same thing
years and years, forever like what they what they have been seeing year
after year, even of ever changing of leader of different party as seen
before till now.

Make no mistake, if today China is to invade and take back Taiwan, all
the Taiwanese will stand up and clap hands to welcome them. They will
line the streets to welcome Chinese troops.They will stand up to help
China in identifying those people with anti-China feelings and help
Chine to identify those anti-china gangsters in society and help China
to arrest those "resistance forces" or 'independence force" run by the
US and spies in Taiwan.

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On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:31:06 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:28:06 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:39:22 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an

exception.”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan disagrees

with these bullies.

Chinese Foreign Minister: "all countries’ sovereignty must be respected".
This is a neutral statement. The leader of any country would have said that.

Chinese President has called for high-level negotiation between Russia and Ukraine. This is another neutral approach to the situation.

The Chinese leadership has a profound understanding of the issue between Russia and Ukraine. It knows the dirty role the US-led West has played to bring about the current situation.

The US-led West continues to play the same dirty trick on China. Hong Kong is now a lost cause. Taiwan has become the focus. What is happening to Ukraine is a good lesson for Taiwan. If Taiwan swallow the bait of those fake and vague American-owned

concept of democracy, freedom and human rights and allow itself to be trained into an attack dog of the US against China, it will end up worse than Ukraine.

The Americans never dare to take on the Russians. This was true when Russia-led Warsaw Pact troops attacked Czechoslovakia. It is true again today when Russia attacked Ukraine. Why? Its the Russian military might, especially its nuclear arsenal. This

is a lesson for the Chinese. If it can reach parity with the US in military capability, especially nuclear-wise, all its problems with the US would evaporate into thin air. Taiwan would return to the embrace of its Motherland.

The war doesn’t seem to be going well for Russia, at the moment.

The Russians expectations have not materialised. Taking lessons from the swift victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Russians have expected :
1. Ukrainian government forces to be lacking in the will to fight and
2. the general population will be nonchalant to the fight.

But both are not happening. Government forces are putting up stiff resistance and the people are responding enthusiastically to the call for mass mobilisation.

As the fight drags on, it will quickly become problematic for the Russians because US and European military aids are reaching Ukraine in swift flows.

The way out for the Russian now is to attack Kiev and bring down the government there in one swift and strong blow. This will break the spirit of the resistance.

Otherwise, Russia risk being bogged down into a long drawn war, i.e., Ukraine will become Russia’s Vietnam.
That’s the ending the US-led West would love to see.

No one likes war. It brings about deaths and destruction. We sympathise with all the people caught in the fighting right now between Russia and Ukraine. How does this come about?

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the US became the only superpower. Together with its European allies, collectively referred to as the West, it has a stranglehold on the whole world. Not satisfied with this, it wants to create a world according to its
own ideals.

Under the Biden Administration, Western hocus-pocus of an ideal world has been crystalised into the rhetoric of Rules-based World Order and Universal Values. It is being hoisted on the world. Those nations which do not subscribe to it face the threat of
a regime change plotted by the West. Few nations can stand up to the threat. Most can only comply.

Every era has its priority. The priority of the 21st Century is to free the world of the West stranglehold on it.

Russia under Putin is willing to stand up to the West. Unfortunately for Ukraine, it has become the battleground. But what Russia does benefits the whole world. The world will be different from now on. It will be a better place for all.

It will be a multi-polar world, a world of diverse political ideologies, not just Western-style democracy. It will be a world enlivened with a diversity of values, not just those “universal values” of the West.

Nations which want a truly free world, a world of diversities, should support Russia.

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On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 9:18:14 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:31:06 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:28:06 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:39:22 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an

exception.”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan

disagrees with these bullies.

Chinese Foreign Minister: "all countries’ sovereignty must be respected".
This is a neutral statement. The leader of any country would have said that.

Chinese President has called for high-level negotiation between Russia and Ukraine. This is another neutral approach to the situation.

The Chinese leadership has a profound understanding of the issue between Russia and Ukraine. It knows the dirty role the US-led West has played to bring about the current situation.

The US-led West continues to play the same dirty trick on China. Hong Kong is now a lost cause. Taiwan has become the focus. What is happening to Ukraine is a good lesson for Taiwan. If Taiwan swallow the bait of those fake and vague American-owned

concept of democracy, freedom and human rights and allow itself to be trained into an attack dog of the US against China, it will end up worse than Ukraine.

The Americans never dare to take on the Russians. This was true when Russia-led Warsaw Pact troops attacked Czechoslovakia. It is true again today when Russia attacked Ukraine. Why? Its the Russian military might, especially its nuclear arsenal.

This is a lesson for the Chinese. If it can reach parity with the US in military capability, especially nuclear-wise, all its problems with the US would evaporate into thin air. Taiwan would return to the embrace of its Motherland.

The war doesn’t seem to be going well for Russia, at the moment.

The Russians expectations have not materialised. Taking lessons from the swift victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Russians have expected :
1. Ukrainian government forces to be lacking in the will to fight and
2. the general population will be nonchalant to the fight.

But both are not happening. Government forces are putting up stiff resistance and the people are responding enthusiastically to the call for mass mobilisation.

As the fight drags on, it will quickly become problematic for the Russians because US and European military aids are reaching Ukraine in swift flows.

The way out for the Russian now is to attack Kiev and bring down the government there in one swift and strong blow. This will break the spirit of the resistance.

Otherwise, Russia risk being bogged down into a long drawn war, i.e., Ukraine will become Russia’s Vietnam.
That’s the ending the US-led West would love to see.

No one likes war. It brings about deaths and destruction. We sympathise with all the people caught in the fighting right now between Russia and Ukraine. How does this come about?

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the US became the only superpower. Together with its European allies, collectively referred to as the West, it has a stranglehold on the whole world. Not satisfied with this, it wants to create a world according to

its own ideals.

Under the Biden Administration, Western hocus-pocus of an ideal world has been crystalised into the rhetoric of Rules-based World Order and Universal Values. It is being hoisted on the world. Those nations which do not subscribe to it face the threat

of a regime change plotted by the West. Few nations can stand up to the threat. Most can only comply.

Every era has its priority. The priority of the 21st Century is to free the world of the West stranglehold on it.

Russia under Putin is willing to stand up to the West. Unfortunately for Ukraine, it has become the battleground. But what Russia does benefits the whole world. The world will be different from now on. It will be a better place for all.

It will be a multi-polar world, a world of diverse political ideologies, not just Western-style democracy. It will be a world enlivened with a diversity of values, not just those “universal values” of the West.

Nations which want a truly free world, a world of diversities, should support Russia.

To better understand the current conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

Recall how the West rode roughshod over the world when there wasn't any other power to counterbalance its might

The nation of Yugoslavia had internal ethnic problems. The West marched in with their forces under the banner of UN. Civilians blocked UN vehicles, begging UN personnel not to advance further into their country. Their pleas were ignored. Yugoslavia was
dismembered until it became extinct.

An attack by the Muslims on the US heartland on 9/11. The West took revenge on the Muslim world. Afghanistan was openly invaded. Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk. The Gaddafi regime of Libya was toppled. Syria almost followed Libya. A bit more details.


US-led forces openly invaded Afghanistan, without seeking UN approval.

Iraq was accused of being in possession of Weapons of Mass Destruction. US Sec. of State went to UN to produce a “smoking gun” to the world. The UN Assembly was not convinced. Despite getting no approval from the UN and mass protests worldwide
against an invasion, the US invaded Iraq and boasted that the invasion was as easy as a cakewalk. After the invasion was completed, no WMD was ever found in Iraq. No apology from the US. No American official was ever charged for any crime.


In Libya, the government put down violent protest with violence. The Gaddafi regime was accused of crime against humanity. Western nations supplied arms to rebel forces. A no-fly zone was declared over Libya. Libyan air-defence systems were bombed by
NATO planes. The same planes would provide air support to the rebels in any big battle between Government and rebel forces. Gaffadi himself was a target of aerial bombardment. In the end, Gaffadi was captured and killed by rebel forces and his regime
toppled.

Similar attempt was made against Syria. With assistance from the West, Oppositions turned armed rebels. The government was accused of using chemical weapons against its own people. This could have triggered The West to start a full-scale military
operation to bring down the regime. But Putin's Russia was there to stop it from happening. If not for this, Syria could have become another Libya.

The West made many attempts to topple the socialists regime in Venezuela. It was another victim of economic sanctions by the West. But the Maduro regime still stands, to this day.

N Korea was threatened with invasion several times, each time surrounded by several US naval fleets.


During the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997/98, IMF officials swaggered into Asian countries and ordered their governments not to bail out their failing banks. Those banks had to become bankrupt, without regard to their effects on the general population.
In Indonesia, this caused bloody riots which brought down the Suharto regime. But when it came to the US Financial Crisis of 2008/9, IMF was nowhere around to issue orders. US banks and financial institutions became “too big to fail”. They were allowed to be bailed out by their government.

Even the tiny nation of Singapore was not spared. When it wanted to whack the arse of an American teenager who had broken the country’s law, the tiny nation was threatened with economic sanctions, a regime change was in the plan. Finally, a US naval
fleet was sent steaming toward the island nation until it had to capitulate. The teen’s arse was spared from the worst punishment.


In recent years, China bears the brunt of the attack by the West simply because it is advancing rapidly by its own means without subscribing to Western values.


All these happened while no nation could or was willing to stand up to the West. Now we know how authoritarian and dictatorial the West is when there is other power to counterbalance it's might. The world desperately needs a force to counterbalance the
might of the West. The West has to be shown that it is not the Master of the World. That’s what Putin’s Russia is doing. It did this first in Syria and right now in Ukraine. It should be appreciated for its courage.

Ukraine has it coming for itself.

In Ukraine, under Western support, one group staged a coup to topple the Pro-Russian regime. From then on, successive regimes antagonised Russia without limit. These regimes wanted to cut-off historical ethnic links between Ukrainians and Russians. They
carried out ethnic cleansing and genocide of Russians within Ukraine. Yugoslavia was accused of the same crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide of its minorities. This was the excuse Western powers used to dismember it. When the Ukrainians did it to
their minority Russians, there was hardly a whimper from the West.

Next, Ukraine allows itself to be used as a base to threaten the security of Russia. Western powers secretly use Ukraine to attempt to carry out a regime change in Russia. Worse, Ukraine wants to join NATO, bringing nuclear-capable Western power right to
the border of Russia.

This has crossed the Red Line. Russia has no choice but to act.


It’s understandable that small nations would want to depend on bigger nations. But not to the extend that a small nation allows itself to be used to threaten the security of a big nation, especially if that big nation is a neighbor as powerful as
Russia. Russia is not alone in doing this. Other nations had done it too. Indonesia invaded East Timur because it could not tolerate a Communist state as its neighbor, however small that state may be. It was the same reason the US invaded Grenada.



What happens between Ukraine and Russia have many important lessons for the world, especially for those small nations. We are now in the era of Big Power Conflicts. Small nations have to know how to survive under such global political environment.
Neutrality is the key. Take no side. Be friends to all and enemy to none.

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On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:31:06 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:28:06 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:39:22 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an

exception.”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan disagrees

with these bullies.

Chinese Foreign Minister: "all countries’ sovereignty must be respected".
This is a neutral statement. The leader of any country would have said that.

Chinese President has called for high-level negotiation between Russia and Ukraine. This is another neutral approach to the situation.

The Chinese leadership has a profound understanding of the issue between Russia and Ukraine. It knows the dirty role the US-led West has played to bring about the current situation.

The US-led West continues to play the same dirty trick on China. Hong Kong is now a lost cause. Taiwan has become the focus. What is happening to Ukraine is a good lesson for Taiwan. If Taiwan swallow the bait of those fake and vague American-owned

concept of democracy, freedom and human rights and allow itself to be trained into an attack dog of the US against China, it will end up worse than Ukraine.

The Americans never dare to take on the Russians. This was true when Russia-led Warsaw Pact troops attacked Czechoslovakia. It is true again today when Russia attacked Ukraine. Why? Its the Russian military might, especially its nuclear arsenal. This

is a lesson for the Chinese. If it can reach parity with the US in military capability, especially nuclear-wise, all its problems with the US would evaporate into thin air. Taiwan would return to the embrace of its Motherland.

The war doesn’t seem to be going well for Russia, at the moment.

The Russians expectations have not materialised. Taking lessons from the swift victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Russians have expected :
1. Ukrainian government forces to be lacking in the will to fight and
2. the general population will be nonchalant to the fight.

But both are not happening. Government forces are putting up stiff resistance and the people are responding enthusiastically to the call for mass mobilisation.

As the fight drags on, it will quickly become problematic for the Russians because US and European military aids are reaching Ukraine in swift flows.

The way out for the Russian now is to attack Kiev and bring down the government there in one swift and strong blow. This will break the spirit of the resistance.

Otherwise, Russia risk being bogged down into a long drawn war, i.e., Ukraine will become Russia’s Vietnam.
That’s the ending the US-led West would love to see.

Another lesson from this conflict.

The West has a stranglehold on information.

The West has stronger soft power, the media. This is setting the narratives, and controlling the information disseminated to the world. Beyond Russia, the world “knows” about the war through Western media.

Russian English language-based media like RT and Sputnik have been banned in EU.

In his latest online international press conference, Russian Foreign Minister referred to the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation which has info about what the Ukrainians did to the Russians in Donbass. But that website
has been blocked.


Western narratives prevail. And it is this: Russia is the aggressor against Ukrainian, Russian soldiers are committing atrocities against Ukrainian civilians indiscriminately.
The Russians have to do something about this.


The Russians seem to be losing momentum in the conflict. This may prove to be fatal. Even though the US and EU are not willing to put boots on the ground, they are those from various parts of the world who volunteer to fight for the Ukrainians. US and EU
can recruit volunteers and build up an International Volunteers Army or IVA and supply it with the latest weapons. NATO soldiers can join in the conflict as IVA.

Russia has to do a quick job in Ukrainian.

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On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 9:18:14 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:31:06 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:28:06 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:39:22 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-8, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

China’s support for Russia has also stopped short of direct approval for military action. Over the weekend, Wang, the Chinese foreign minister, reiterated that all countries’ sovereignty must be respected, adding that “Ukraine is not an

exception.”

Yes Tom, that's right. The Chinese government says that nations should leave other nations alone. They demand the freedom to persecute their own people without interference, where "their own people" means whatever they say it does. Taiwan

disagrees with these bullies.

Chinese Foreign Minister: "all countries’ sovereignty must be respected".
This is a neutral statement. The leader of any country would have said that.

Chinese President has called for high-level negotiation between Russia and Ukraine. This is another neutral approach to the situation.

The Chinese leadership has a profound understanding of the issue between Russia and Ukraine. It knows the dirty role the US-led West has played to bring about the current situation.

The US-led West continues to play the same dirty trick on China. Hong Kong is now a lost cause. Taiwan has become the focus. What is happening to Ukraine is a good lesson for Taiwan. If Taiwan swallow the bait of those fake and vague American-owned

concept of democracy, freedom and human rights and allow itself to be trained into an attack dog of the US against China, it will end up worse than Ukraine.

The Americans never dare to take on the Russians. This was true when Russia-led Warsaw Pact troops attacked Czechoslovakia. It is true again today when Russia attacked Ukraine. Why? Its the Russian military might, especially its nuclear arsenal.

This is a lesson for the Chinese. If it can reach parity with the US in military capability, especially nuclear-wise, all its problems with the US would evaporate into thin air. Taiwan would return to the embrace of its Motherland.

The war doesn’t seem to be going well for Russia, at the moment.

The Russians expectations have not materialised. Taking lessons from the swift victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Russians have expected :
1. Ukrainian government forces to be lacking in the will to fight and
2. the general population will be nonchalant to the fight.

But both are not happening. Government forces are putting up stiff resistance and the people are responding enthusiastically to the call for mass mobilisation.

As the fight drags on, it will quickly become problematic for the Russians because US and European military aids are reaching Ukraine in swift flows.

The way out for the Russian now is to attack Kiev and bring down the government there in one swift and strong blow. This will break the spirit of the resistance.

Otherwise, Russia risk being bogged down into a long drawn war, i.e., Ukraine will become Russia’s Vietnam.
That’s the ending the US-led West would love to see.

No one likes war. It brings about deaths and destruction. We sympathise with all the people caught in the fighting right now between Russia and Ukraine. How does this come about?

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the US became the only superpower. Together with its European allies, collectively referred to as the West, it has a stranglehold on the whole world. Not satisfied with this, it wants to create a world according to

its own ideals.

Under the Biden Administration, Western hocus-pocus of an ideal world has been crystalised into the rhetoric of Rules-based World Order and Universal Values. It is being hoisted on the world. Those nations which do not subscribe to it face the threat

of a regime change plotted by the West. Few nations can stand up to the threat. Most can only comply.

Every era has its priority. The priority of the 21st Century is to free the world of the West stranglehold on it.

Russia under Putin is willing to stand up to the West. Unfortunately for Ukraine, it has become the battleground. But what Russia does benefits the whole world. The world will be different from now on. It will be a better place for all.

It will be a multi-polar world, a world of diverse political ideologies, not just Western-style democracy. It will be a world enlivened with a diversity of values, not just those “universal values” of the West.

Nations which want a truly free world, a world of diversities, should support Russia.

“The territorial integrity of a sovereign state” flies freely in UN debates on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, especially among smaller states.

If “The territorial integrity of a sovereign state” can be taken as sacrosanct, no nation would need to defend iself against external aggressors. There would be no need for a defence force or a Ministry or Dept of Defence for a state.

The truth is that your territory is not yours if you cannot defend it. The evidence to this is for all to see. The Westerners should know this better than anyone else because of what they have done to ex-Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Syria. The US
continues to violate the Chinese territories of Taiwan and the South China Sea.

What is happening between Russia and Ukraine is not simply about sovereign state and territorial integrity. It’s more than that. Russia is openly challenging the World Order defined and defended by the West. The West have continuously trained a pack of
attacking dogs to defend its World Order. Ukraine is one of them. It thinks it can misbehave towards its neighbor because it has a strong master. It is paying dearly for this.

Look at the performance of the Westerners recently. From Afghanistan, they fled in panic with their tails between their legs. Now, in Ukraine, they hide themselves, keeping a safe distance from the fight like some frightened rats.

No-fly zone? They did it in ex-Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. Don’t expect them to establish one over Ukraine. That would entails bombing Russian air defence systems on the ground and taking out Russian fighter jets in the air. They don’t have the guts
to do that. They can only bully those weaker than them.

Those other attacking dogs trained by the West should watch their behaviors lest they end up like Ukraine.

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On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted

subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia under

Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal and

destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his shirt,
diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in international
politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next,

instigate ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev

which is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets to

demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to the

Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states

became independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK. They

ran covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening
between the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on the

island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its

against the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal
that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the world

should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter so that he

could remain behind to fight the Ukrainians!

https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS

More lies exposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg

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On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as trusted

subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia

under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up
to the US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal

and destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his
shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in
international politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next,

instigate ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev

which is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the streets

to demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. Since
then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to

the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council. Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states

became independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK.

They ran covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening
between the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on

the island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its

against the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal
that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the

world should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter so that he

could remain behind to fight the Ukrainians!

https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS

More lies exposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to avoid local deaths and
destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders bringing deaths and destruction
to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine

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On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as

trusted subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia

under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up
to the US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal

and destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his
shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in
international politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next,

instigate ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was

Kiev which is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the

streets to demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the
streets. Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to

the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council. Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states

became independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK.

They ran covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening
between the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on

the island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its

against the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal
that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the

world should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter so that

he could remain behind to fight the Ukrainians!

https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS

More lies exposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to avoid local deaths and

destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders bringing deaths and

destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine

Russia cannot afford to lose this fight. It has to remind itself of what happened to Iraq after the latter misadventure in Kuwait.

If Russia were to withdraw from Ukraine without achieving its initial objective, it will not be the end of the matter for the West. It will be the West turn to denuclearise and demilitarise Russia. This will be followed by the dismemberment of Russia
until it becomes extinct, like ex-Yugoslavia. This may not be achievable but the West will give it a shot.

More likely, the West will go for those smaller states which have explicitly supported Russia. Even those which have abstained will be dealt - “either you are with us or you are with the enemy”.

Whichever side wins, the impact on the world will be great. If Russia wins, the world will phase quicker into a multi-polar one. If the West wins, it will be a unipolar world in which nothing now can stand in the West’s way to globalise its World Order
and “Universal Values”.

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On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top authority, its Western allies as

trusted subordinates and the others as obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia. After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a honeymoon period with Russia

under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up
to the US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. They have him marked for disposal

and destruction. As usual, the political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without his
shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the Americans had prepared for him in
international politics and military strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a US-backed puppet regime. Next,

instigate ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present day Ukraine. Its capital was

Kiev which is also the capital of present day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. Instigate people to take to the

streets to demand closer ties with US and Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the
streets. Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and providing military trainings to

the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme and take the initiative to

militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council. Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. Previous Russian satellite states

became independent republics. These republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. They almost succeeded in HK.

They ran covert operations to instigate the Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening
between the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become independent from China. If the Chinese on

the island of Taiwan were to be dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.

What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for another fight, especially if its

against the Russians. Few Americans would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal
that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the
Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give orders which the rest of the

world should follow blindly. Those damned Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists pushed Communism during the Cold War.

The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter so that

he could remain behind to fight the Ukrainians!

https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS

More lies exposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to avoid local deaths and

destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders bringing deaths and

destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogwacker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote: >>>>>> The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To >>>>>> fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being >>>>>> authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The >>>>>> US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top >>>>>> authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as >>>>>> obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those >>>>>> which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia >>>>>> was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led >>>>>> Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest >>>>>> from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the >>>>>> US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the >>>>>> US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, >>>>>> Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not >>>>>> have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. >>>>>> They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by >>>>>> engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without >>>>>> his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his >>>>>> kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China >>>>>> was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the >>>>>> Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military >>>>>> strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become >>>>>> the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a >>>>>> political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a >>>>>> US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine >>>>>> and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a >>>>>> feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present >>>>>> day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present >>>>>> day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine >>>>>> and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the >>>>>> Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. >>>>>> Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a >>>>>> tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters >>>>>> which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets. >>>>>> Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been >>>>>> behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated >>>>>> into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military, >>>>>> they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and >>>>>> providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out >>>>>> between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over >>>>>> Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support >>>>>> from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme >>>>>> and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big >>>>>> dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council. >>>>>> Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. >>>>>> Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine. >>>>>>
History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in >>>>>> Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in >>>>>> Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. >>>>>> Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These >>>>>> republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having >>>>>> played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have >>>>>> this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states >>>>>> again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves >>>>>> under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of >>>>>> several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are >>>>>> nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone. >>>>>>
What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in >>>>>> other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies. >>>>>> In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet. >>>>>> They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the >>>>>> Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were >>>>>> beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK, >>>>>> Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had >>>>>> planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty >>>>>> tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the >>>>>> Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking >>>>>> over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next >>>>>> move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. >>>>>> Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for >>>>>> another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans >>>>>> would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The >>>>>> Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know >>>>>> that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear >>>>>> arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide >>>>>> plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing >>>>>> the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is >>>>>> dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing >>>>>> its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human >>>>>> rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give >>>>>> orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned >>>>>> Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists >>>>>> pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their >>>>>> military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the >>>>>> whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about >>>> a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he >>>> decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place >>>> in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a >>>> town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan >> months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders >> bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons >> into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

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~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

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On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote: >>>> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote: >>>>>> The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To

fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The >>>>>> US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top >>>>>> authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a >>>>>> honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led >>>>>> Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the >>>>>> US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya, >>>>>> Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin. >>>>>> They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the >>>>>> political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the >>>>>> Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military >>>>>> strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a >>>>>> political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between >>>>>> Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a >>>>>> feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the >>>>>> Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. >>>>>> Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters >>>>>> which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and >>>>>> providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out >>>>>> between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support >>>>>> from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council. >>>>>> Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. >>>>>> Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in >>>>>> Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. >>>>>> Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These >>>>>> republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have >>>>>> this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of >>>>>> several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone. >>>>>>
What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had >>>>>> planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty >>>>>> tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the >>>>>> Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its >>>>>> enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan. >>>>>> Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for >>>>>> another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans >>>>>> would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear >>>>>> arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human >>>>>> rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their >>>>>> military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the >>>>>> whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he >>>> decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful >>>> farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the >>>> Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local >> leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to >> avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the >> Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The >> soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that >> reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents who lived
through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote: >>>> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The >>>>>> US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top >>>>>> authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a >>>>>> honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the >>>>>> political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the >>>>>> Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a >>>>>> political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between >>>>>> Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the >>>>>> Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics. >>>>>> Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and >>>>>> providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council. >>>>>> Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. >>>>>> Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy. >>>>>>
There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited. >>>>>> Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of >>>>>> several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and >>>>>> 2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become >>>>>> independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the >>>>>> Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its >>>>>> enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful >>>> farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the >>>> Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents who

lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya. >>>>>>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas. >>>>>>
Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy. >>>>>>
There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and >>>>>> 2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become >>>>>> independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically. >> From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the >> “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to >> bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents who

lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will replace the US

as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its only

temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an unambiguous

position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and the other

in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is

speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

In the latest conflict between Russia and Ukraine, again we see the trademarks of Western propaganda. They are so familiar. Those old enough would have seen it in ex-Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Syria. Now they are applied to Russia. There are some
consistent features.

1. The state of mind of the leader.
We have read similar stuff before about Milosevic of ex-Yugoslavia, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Gaddafi of Libya and Assad of Syria. Now President Putin of Russia has become the subject of psycho-analysis by many Western “experts”. The conclusion is
foretold. He is mentally defective in as many ways as there are words to describe it.

2. The enemies are inhuman.
Russian soldiers are targeting civilians! This is not a credible narrative.
Why waste ammunition on those who cannot fire back? That’s one sure way to lose a war. While you are wasting resources attacking unarmed civilians, your enemy would be strengthening themselves for counterattacks against you. Every militarist knows
this. History has shown it. Many military historians have written that the Nazis lost the Battle of Britain because they switched from bombing military targets to civilian ones.

Why then are those civilian buildings bombed?
Having been cornered into a city, if not near to or in those buildings, where else would your enemy be hiding and fighting from? Before a building is bombed, projectiles would have been fire from it. No reporter from the enemy side would show the tracers
emanating from it. They would only show the building after it is bombed.
But why no soldiers among the dead and wounded?
Mobility increases the chances of survival in a fire fight. After firing from one building, before drawing fire from the other side, the soldiers would move to another building.

Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg
at time mark 17:00. It explained why civilian buildings were bombed.
“There were tanks standing in this neighborhood, they maneuvered between the buildings.”


Propaganda only works for those who accept info presented to them without questioning.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a >>>>>> honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the >>>>>> political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between >>>>>> Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas. >>>>>>
Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy. >>>>>>
There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and >>>>>> 2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become >>>>>> independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its >>>>>> enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful >>>> farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the >> “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to >> bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents who

lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will replace the US as
the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world. US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its only
temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an unambiguous position.
Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.


How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and the other in
Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is
speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya. >>>>>>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas. >>>>>>
Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy. >>>>>>
There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and >>>>>> 2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become >>>>>> independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically. >> From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the >> “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to >> bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents who

lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will replace the US

as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its only

temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an unambiguous

position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and the other

in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color. Indian is

speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

"
Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
"

That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its weight. That’s
only when the top power allows it.


“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic partner
of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.
In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing not
to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.

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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya. >>>>>>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas. >>>>>>
Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy. >>>>>>
There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and >>>>>> 2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans. >>>>>>
Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening. >>
The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically. >> From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents

who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will replace the US

as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its only

temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an unambiguous

position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and the

other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color. Indian

is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

"
Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
"

That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its weight. That’

s only when the top power allows it.

“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic partner

of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.

In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing

not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic cleansing,
genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and Universal Values which
the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-led West threaten Russia�
��s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to advance beyond
a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of freedom and human
rights.

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On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a >>>>>> honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the >>>>>> political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between >>>>>> Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas. >>>>>>
Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy. >>>>>>
There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and >>>>>> 2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become >>>>>> independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its >>>>>> enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful >>>> farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the >> “humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to >> bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents who

lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

Patrick Lancaster in action again, this time reporting from the ground in Mariupol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6UzUMrEEXM

Mariupol is as good as having fallen to the Russians, with only a few Ukrainian pockets of resistance left to be mopped up.

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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote: >>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya. >>>>>>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas. >>>>>>
Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans. >>>>>>
Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the residents

who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will replace the

US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its only

temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an unambiguous

position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and the

other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color.

Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

"
Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
"

That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its weight. That�

�s only when the top power allows it.

“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic

partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.

In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone swearing

not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic cleansing,

genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and Universal Values which

the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-led West threaten Russia�
�s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to advance beyond

a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of freedom and human

rights.

Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and
subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its recent
use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.

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On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote: >>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians. >>>>>> Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans. >>>>>>
Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

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-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the

residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will replace

the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its only

temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an unambiguous

position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and the

other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color.

Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

"
Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
"

That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its weight.

That’s only when the top power allows it.

“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic

partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.

In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone

swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic cleansing,

genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and Universal Values

which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-led West threaten
Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to advance

beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of freedom and

human rights.

Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and

subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its recent
use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.

Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE

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The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians. >>>>>> Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders. >>>>
The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

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~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the

residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will

replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its

only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an

unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and

the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color.

Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

"
Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
"

That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its weight.

That’s only when the top power allows it.

“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic

partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.

In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone

swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic cleansing,

genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and Universal Values

which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-led West threaten
Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to advance

beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of freedom and

human rights.

Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and

subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its recent
use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.

Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE

"the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA

Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine

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On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q>

When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians. >>>>>> Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders.

The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the

residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will replace

the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its only

temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an

unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border and

the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin color.

Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

"
Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
"

That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its weight.

That’s only when the top power allows it.

“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a strategic

partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.

In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone

swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic cleansing,

genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and Universal Values

which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-led West threaten
Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to advance

beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of freedom and

human rights.

Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1, WW2 and

subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its recent
use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.

Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE

"the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA

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On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:48:51 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:

On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:30:37 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:38:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:03:46 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:12 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:28:52 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:10:29 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:21:00 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:05:04 AM UTC, alien wrote:

On 12 Mar 2022 at 06.18.22 GMT+1, "wog wacker" <wogw...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:51:11 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:40:52 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 3:50:59 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:27:38 PM UTC-8, frodo sam0 wrote:

The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q> >>>>>>
When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia. >>>>>>
The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda. >>>>
In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders. >>>>
The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

--
-alien-
~ Work like you don't need the money. ~
~ Love like you've never been hurt. ~
~ Dance like nobody is looking. ~

Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the

residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will

replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its

only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an

unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border

and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin

color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

"
Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
"

That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its

weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.

“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a

strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.

In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone

swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic

cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and Universal

Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-led West
threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to

advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of freedom

and human rights.

Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1, WW2

and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its
recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.

Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE

"the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA

Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine

The truth, depicted via cartoons. https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX

Russia is not fighting against Ukraine. It is fighting US and Europe in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc

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The US is solely responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today. To
fully understand this, let’s look at what the Americans have been up to.

While the US readily criticises nations like Russia and China as being
authoritarian, it is establishing an authoritarian World Order. The
US-led World Order is a hierarchical system with the US as the top
authority, its Western allies as trusted subordinates and the others as
obedient dogs.

Other nations cannot question, let alone challenge, US authority. Those
which do will face trouble. That’s what’s happening to Putin’s Russia.
After the collapse of the Russian-led Soviet Union, the US had a
honeymoon period with Russia under Yeltsin. The Slav state of Yugoslavia
was wiped off the map of the world without a whimper from Yeltsin-led
Slavic Russia. Then Iraq was invaded like a cakewalk without any protest
from Russia, which was then the only country which could stand up to the
US-led West.

After Putin took over the rein from Yeltsin, the honeymoon period between
the US and Russia ended. Unlike Yeltsin, Putin dares to question the
US-led West. He questioned NATO over its conduct in Libya.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q> >>>>>>
When the US-led West tried to do to Syria what it has done to Libya,
Putin led Russia to confront the US militarily. The Americans could not
have their way in Syria as they had in Libya. They were mad at Putin.
They have him marked for disposal and destruction. As usual, the
political American Press went into action first. US media had a field day
with Putin. They ridiculed him as a sissy. He had to prove them wrong by
engaging in tough and risky outdoor activities, riding a horse without
his shirt, diving into depths, taking to adventures in the sky. Even his
kind act to putting a blanket on the shoulder of the First Lady of China
was grossly misinterpreted. These are nothing compared to what the
Americans had prepared for him in international politics and military
strategy.

European nations bordering Russia, such as Ukraine and Belarus, become
the pawns used to hit back at Putin’s Russia. In Ukraine, first a
political coup to take down the Pro-Russian regime and replace it with a
US-backed puppet regime. Next, instigate ethnic conflict between
Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians and Russians share a special relationship. Belarus, Ukraine
and Russia are nations of ethnic Slavs that grew out of Kievan Rus, a
feudal state which stretched from the north of the Black Sea to present
day Ukraine. Its capital was Kiev which is also the capital of present
day Ukraine.

Yet the Americans are able to cause bad blood to spill between Ukraine
and Russia. Having accomplished their devilish act in Ukraine, the
Americans next turn their attention on Belarus. Same dirty tactics.
Instigate people to take to the streets to demand closer ties with US and
Europe. But they found the Belarus leader, Alexander Lukashenko, to be a
tough nut to crack. He took to the streets to reason with protesters
which outnumber him many times. He won the verbal battle on the streets.
Since then, he’s been left to rule unchallenged. He knew who has been
behind this – those damned Americans.

Meanwhile Ukraine turned from bad to worse. More Westerners infiltrated
into Ukraine. In politics, they go in disguised as NGO’s. In military,
they go in as contracted fighters and mercenaries, selling arms and
providing military trainings to the Ukrainians. Open fights broke out
between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. Russia stepped in to take over
Crimea and helped ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Ukraine becomes a proxy
in a war between the US-led West and Russia.

The US-led puppet regime in Ukraine, with increasing military support
from the Americans and their European allies, become more aggressive, and
plan to reclaim Crimea and Donbass. The Russians see through the scheme
and take the initiative to militarily defend the two areas.

Several factors have been favorable to the Russians.
Democracy has produced an old and senile President in the US and a big
dumb gorilla as Sec. of Defence.
Ukraine has a comedian as President.
A Russian has been appointed President of the UN Security Council.
Only months ago, US has met with humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
Most important of all, the US is treating China as its enemy.

There is no better time to mount a military offensive against Ukraine.

History in the past three decades has shaped the current conflict in
Europe. The collapse of the USSR were followed by political upheavals in
Central and Eastern Europe. East and West Germany became reunited.
Previous Russian satellite states became independent republics. These
republics are eternally grateful to the US and Western Europe for having
played critical roles in bringing about their independence. They have
this fear of being re-absorbed by Russia to become its satellite states
again. To prevent this from happening, they choose to place themselves
under the protection of NATO. Among these states, Ukraine is one of
several which share a border with Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has two fears.
1. The revival of an expansionist Germany (Fourth Reich?) and
2. NATO expanding right to its border.

Now that Ukraine and Russia are at war, the Americans and Europeans are
nowhere to be found. The Ukrainians are left to fight and die alone.

What happen in Ukraine before the latest open conflict has happened in
other places. The Americans are instigating ethnic wars on its enemies.
In China, they plan to do it in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet.
They almost succeeded in HK. They ran covert operations to instigate the
Chinese in HK to agitate for independence from China. Chinese in HK were
beating up Chinese from China. Had China not taken firm actions in HK,
Chinese would be fighting Chinese on a big scale, as is happening between
the Slavs in Ukraine and Russia.

The Americans are most unhappy that HK has not turned out as they had
planned. They have now shifted their attention to Taiwan. Same dirty
tactics. Arming up Taiwan. Agitate the Chinese there to become
independent from China. If the Chinese on the island of Taiwan were to be
dumb enough to be used by the Americans, they will end up like the
Ukrainians, fighting and dying to serve Americans’ own national interest.


What happen between Russia and Ukrainian is not about one nation taking
over part of another nation based on ethnicity. Rather, it’s the US using
ethnicity to create wars for those nations it considers to be its
enemies.

Now that Ukraine is in open conflict with Russia, what’s the US next
move? The Americans are still licking their wounds from Afghanistan.
Their tails are still between their legs. No, they are not ready for
another fight, especially if its against the Russians. Few Americans
would want to die for Ukraine. They expect the Europeans to do it. The
Europeans would not do it alone without the Americans. Both sides know
that when the fight comes to the crunch, Russia has a bigger nuclear
arsenal that the US. The solution will be this. Both sides will provide
plenty of arms and advices to the Ukrainians who will be the ones doing
the fighting and the dying. That’s how a country will end up if it is
dumb enough to allow itself to be used by the Americans.

Its time the US stop preaching about a rule-base World Order and pushing
its ideology based on its own concept of democracy, freedom and human
rights. To the Americans, a World Order is one in which only they give
orders which the rest of the world should follow blindly. Those damned
Americans are pushing their ideology more zealously than the Communists
pushed Communism during the Cold War.
The Americans should stop pursuing their foreign policies with their
military might. This might-makes-right strategy is destabilising the
whole world.

Dumb post.

Chinese media exposes dirty Western propaganda.

In Western media, a video has recently gone viral. It is purportedly about
a Ukrainian father bidding a tearful farewell to his daughter while he
decided to stay back to fight the Russian invaders. >>>>
The true turns out to be entirely different. The actual event takes place
in the Donbass region. The video was originally released by a Mayor of a
town in the region. The man was an ethnic Russian bidding a tearful
farewell to his daughter so that he could remain behind to fight the
Ukrainians!

<https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46yEEx1j0BS>

More lies exposed.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTIUI4oYdg>

Russia is not doing well in the fight.

The Putin regime has initial expectations like what happened in Afghanistan
months ago – government soldiers will not have the will to fight, local
leaders will negotiate for the government soldiers to give up in order to
avoid local deaths and destruction. But these are not happening.

The Russians have not prepared well for the war, psychologically.
From ordinary citizens to soldiers, in many Russians mind, just like the
Western narrative, its big Russia invading its much smaller neighbor. The
soldiers are fighting on weak moral ground. They see themselves as invaders
bringing deaths and destruction to their own kind, Slavs. There’s that
reluctance to go in for the kill during battles.

All these lull in fighting to let civilians out is falling into the
“humanitarian trap” of the West. While civilians are moving out of embattled
areas, the West is using the time to move in vast amount of men and weapons
into Ukraine.

Its very difficult now to deliver a knock-out blow to the regime to
bring the war to a quick end.

For a more balanced view of the war, watch
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rt+ukraine>

Now I cannot access any of the videos from Russia Today (RT).

I think because youtube ban the channel.

"Having blocked RT and Sputnik in the European Union – at the request of EU
governments – on March 1, YouTube announced on Friday it was expanding this
censorship to the entire planet, and including all channels “associated with
Russian state-funded media.” "

<https://www.rt.com/russia/551730-youtube-demonetize-censorship-media/>

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Damn. and they want to preach to the world about free flow of information, freedom of expression, etc..

I accidentally find one channel by a Patrick Lancaster, an independent reporter, an American who claimed he has been in Ukraine for 8 years. Watch his coverage of Volnovakha, after it has fallen to the DPR. He interviewed some of the

residents who lived through the fight. Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Here are more. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=patrick+lancaster+ukraine

Enjoy it while you can. I will not be surprised if Youtube decides to take his channel out too.

Western media only portray the Russians as evil, bringing deaths and destruction to the Ukrainians.
Ukrainians do the same to the Russians in Donbass too. But the Western media choose to ignore these.
The following video is an on-site realtime report by an independent reporter in Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

Indian dogs are learning fast from their American master. They too are becoming loud-mouthed hotshots, talking through their arseholes with loud, stinking hot air. Unlike their American master, theirs come with curry flavor.

This stupid loudmouth believes that China will benefit most from the Russia-Ukraine fight. He believes this fight is all a Chinese plot to weaken the US and strengthen China. According to this Indian, at the end of this war, China will

replace the US as the world superpower and that is a dead threat to India.

India is a double-headed snake with one head looking towards the US and the other towards Russia. It charms both the Big Powers with its forked tongues. It has made itself into a much sought-after partner of both the US and Russia.

The truth is that India benefits more from the fight than China. Now that the US and Russia are enemies because of the Ukrainian conflict, India has become more important to both.
Russia needs India more now than before to reduce its isolation from the world.
US needs India more now, to play a stronger role to counter China while it is occupied with the Russians in Ukraine.
India now finds itself in a very privileged position. It is being actively courted by both Russia and US. India will make the best of this opportune time in its history. It will make demands from both Russia and US.
From both, it will demand for more advanced weapons. In addition, from the US, it would demand to have more authority over the waters from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. It wants to become the Lord of the Indo-Pacific, even if its

only temporarily, while the US is kept busy with the Ukrainian conflict.

Like China, India has not taken side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Though an ally of the West, it has not come out openly to support Ukraine. But unlike China, it is being left alone, not pressured by the West to take a stand or an

unambiguous position. Because of this, Indians remain welcomed in Ukraine. Indian reporters are on the ground in Ukraine reporting live on the war, unmolested.

How will the Russia-Ukraine conflict affect the relationship between China and India?

If Russia wins, India will continue to be a double-headed snake, looking towards both Russia and US for assistance to strengthen itself against China.

If the US-led West wins, India will abandon Russia, become a one-headed snake looking only towards US.
After having beaten Russia, the US will next concentrate its effort to bring about a regime change in China. For this, India will assume a more important role. It will be the pincer to crush China, with one claw at the China-India border

and the other in Asia-Pacific, which the US has conveniently renamed Indo-Pacific.

India would be most pleased to be the Chosen One of the US. This will allow it to realise its ambition to be a Hindu Superpower of the world. Indians are beginning to believe that the future of the world will be brown, like Indian skin

color. Indian is speedily militarising itself with weapons from Russia, US and the latter allies such as Europe and Israel. It is boasting that whatever weapon systems it will build will be more advanced than those of China.

China should be ready to give a good beating to the well-groomed and -trained US attack dog, India, if it dares misbehavior towards China.

Meanwhile this stupid Indian should stop barking through his chilly-hot curry arsehole.

Another Indian, this one the Foreign Minister from Singapore, thinks China and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-china-does-about-ukraine-could-affect-future-world-order-vivian-balakrishnan

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Dr Balakrishnan said Singapore took the step because the invasion was egregious and involved a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Russia's actions set a dangerous precedent for big countries to trample over the concepts of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence to invade a smaller neighbour, in abrogation of international laws, he added.
"We felt this is a time that we have to take a stand; not because we are taking sides but because these principles are existential for a tiny city-state," he said.
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That’s understandable. For a small nation like Singapore which is surrounded by much bigger neighbors, supporting the “special military operations” of Russia on Ukraine would be inviting trouble for itself.
But it has not been consistent in standing up for its principles. It supported the American invasion of Iraq! Let’s face it. Singapore’s survival is based more on pragmatism than principles.

A small country like Singapore is contented with the current World Order, sitting at the low end of the power hierarchy, being fed by the food chain starting from the top. Once in a while, the top power would allow it to punch above its

weight. That’s only when the top power allows it.

“What China does about Ukraine could affect future world order: Vivian Balakrishnan “

Is that so?

But what can China do? It is supposed to have little influence, few friends, some said no friend, in the world. The US is always warning China about this and that. How can a China that is so belittled affect the future world order?

Even Russia and China combined cannot influence the world as much as the US-led West. This war has shown the stranglehold the US-led West has on the world politically, economically, socially, militarily, diplomatically and culturally.
This is a World Order that Russia, China and many other countries would like to see changed.

What about India? India would have more influence than China on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It claims to be the world’s largest democracy, it enthusiastically accepts the West appointed role as the counterbalance to China. It’s a

strategic partner of the West. By Western yardstick, India can do no wrong. It can get away with doing things that China can’t.

In 2019, it changed its law to complete its invasion of Kashmir, without a whimper from the West. That’s also a case of a big country swallowing up its smaller neighbor.
When Russia proposes to sell oil to India at a discount, India readily accepts it and the US does not consider this as sanction-busting.
Why then expects China to help deal with the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Go get India.

Moreover Indians are very concerned that China will benefit from the conflict. Indians are worried that those benefits will strengthen China and therefore threaten India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3JMzJ2OGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD1iuC1Foo

Getting China involved would only increase the threat that India feels.

So, go get India!

Ultimately, whether its Russia, Ukraine, China, India, or all combined, the problem will not be solved. Why? Because they are not the cause. The root cause of the problem is the US-led West, specifically its military arm NATO. Ukraine alone

swearing not to join NATO will not solve the problem. It has to be all the member nations of NATO. All of them have to swear not to expand NATO beyond a limit agreed between them and Russia. QED.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/politics/joe-biden-xi-jinping-friday/index.html

After creating a big problem for the world, the US would think of using China to help solve it. When there is no big problem in the world, the US would make China the problem. China would be accused of all sorts of evils such as ethnic

cleansing, genocide, persecution of religions, crimes against humanity, a pariah nation without freedom and human rights, etc..

Should China help to solve the problem? Can it? The root problem of the Russia-Ukraine conflict is for all to see. The US is the culprit. Here's why. Russia under Putin is not as submissive as other nations to the World Order and Universal

Values which the US-led West pushes and peddles around the world. For this, Russia under Putin becomes a target for regime change. Ukraine becomes the proxy in the fight between the US-led West and Russia. Using its military arm NATO, the US-led West
threaten Russia’s security by creeping towards the border of Russia.

The solution to the Russia-Ukraine conflict is dead simple. It does not need China or other nations to get involved. That would only complicate matters. All it takes is for all NATO member nations to make an unambiguous commitment not to

advance beyond a limit agreed to between them and Russia.

Instead of working towards that, the US is worsening the crisis by supplying more arms to Ukraine, adding oil to fire, causing more deaths and destruction. As usual, it wants the world to believe that it is doing this for the sake of freedom

and human rights.

Will the conflict in Ukraine lead to World War 3? Definitely not. It can only happen if the US dares to fight with Russia directly. But it dares not. Why? In the past, Americans have been fighting wars away from their own homeland, in WW1, WW2

and subsequent wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. Unlike those enemies of the past, Russia makes a big difference. It has the military might to bring the war over to the US mainland; and its going to be NUCLEAR! Russia can nuke the US. Its
recent use of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine is a stark warning to the Americans. The regime in Ukraine should get this clear: the Americans will not risk their own home ground being nuked for the sake of defending Ukraine.

Hear it from a very experienced American journalist. She debunked those regular Western propaganda about the Ukraine War very effectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE

"the real situation on the ground" in Mariupol.
Ukrainian wanted to surrender but the neo-Nazi Azov soldiers prevented killed some of them and a fire fight broke out between the two sides.
Azov soldiers used school as their firing positions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3h9Paoy-UA

Another source for news about the war in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telesur+ukraine

The truth, depicted via cartoons.
https://world.huanqiu.com/article/47Ly9u2h0wX

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