• How far away is China from developing its own homegrown semiconductors

    From Rusty Wyse@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 23 10:42:03 2022
    Joseph Boyle
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    How far away is China from developing its own homegrown semiconductors and processor chips?
    PRC is already one of the largest chip manufacturers, so the question is absurd as phrased.


    Currently there is a lot of hoopla about a supposed horse race over technologies that represent only a couple of years of lead and are not essential for most applications. People like competition because it’s entertaining, and PRC propaganda likes the
    framing of national technological competition as something to gain nationalist public support.

    In fact these questions make little sense without considering trade and integration. PRC “uses” such a huge proportion of global chip production (around half?) largely because it puts many of those chips in products that are exported back to the
    world. Without PRC’s export industry, PRC would have little trade deficit in semiconductors. Without other countries’ export industries, the other countries would not have revenue to import from PRC.

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  • From boro@21:1/5 to Rusty Wyse on Mon Jan 31 13:34:05 2022
    On 24/1/2022 2:42 am, Rusty Wyse wrote:
    Joseph Boyle
    https://www.quora.com/
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    Lives in California (1988–present)Jan 11
    How far away is China from developing its own homegrown semiconductors and processor chips?
    PRC is already one of the largest chip manufacturers, so the question is absurd as phrased.


    Currently there is a lot of hoopla about a supposed horse race over technologies that represent only a couple of years of lead and are not essential for most applications. People like competition because it’s entertaining, and PRC propaganda likes
    the framing of national technological competition as something to gain nationalist public support.

    In fact these questions make little sense without considering trade and integration. PRC “uses” such a huge proportion of global chip production (around half?) largely because it puts many of those chips in products that are exported back to the
    world. Without PRC’s export industry, PRC would have little trade deficit in semiconductors. Without other countries’ export industries, the other countries would not have revenue to import from PRC.


    The world needs Chinese products as they have the capacity of quality production and speed of delivery to them. Without the semi-conductors
    into the products, a lot of products will not wanted by the world.

    Therefore, if the world is thinking not to supply China with the semi-conductors, they will face similar shortage problem of their
    products ordered from China.

    However, China is now in the trail of making their own semi-conductors
    in large scale capacity in order to match their production needs for
    products ordered by the world.

    China will have very unique semi-conductors that will make them unique
    to their products only.

    This means those stupid countries failing to sell their semi-conductors
    to China will have to throw them away or have to cut back their stocks.

    By that, these foreign countries will have to close down because China
    will not buy their semi-conductors at all.

    Just take a look at Lithuania, China stops importing their products
    since November/December 2021, last month, the export report from
    Lithuania to China is dramatically reduced by 95% to 5%.

    By now, Lithuania export to China is going to be zero. China has
    stipulated to the EU that any of their products such as car parts and components and other stuffs, which they made in Lithuania will not be
    allowed to enter China for their cars being made in China's factories
    and China's supply chains, too.

    Henceforth, Germany which is the head of EU is fully aware of themselves
    of being isolated from importing their products entering into China.

    Make no mistake Germany will pay their heavy price for sending their
    warship to South China Sea three months ago.

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