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    From Work@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 25 21:55:15 2024
    Under democracy, private property is respected. Do not take private
    property without consent or fair compensation.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to Work on Fri Jan 26 04:43:27 2024
    Work <qqq.rrr@ttt.sss.zzz> wrote:
    Under democracy, private property is respected. Do not take private
    property without consent or fair compensation.

    You assume too much about what MAY constitute a democracy.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Janusz_Korwin-Mikke
    Democracy means that if this man, you, and I will be trapped on an
    island, we having a majority of votes will decide that you have to
    sleep with us. That's the Democracy. And with 2/3 votes we can even
    put that in the constitution.
    source: speech during a meeting in the R. Barbosa High School

    --
    A. Filip
    | The road to ruin is always in good repair, and the travelers pay
    | the expense of it. (Josh Billings)

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 26 17:34:11 2024
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:44:02 PM UTC-5, A. Filip wrote:
    Work <qqq...@ttt.sss.zzz> wrote:
    Under democracy, private property is respected. Do not take private
    property without consent or fair compensation.
    You assume too much about what MAY constitute a democracy.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Janusz_Korwin-Mikke
    Democracy means that if this man, you, and I will be trapped on an
    island, we having a majority of votes will decide that you have to
    sleep with us. That's the Democracy. And with 2/3 votes we can even
    put that in the constitution.
    source: speech during a meeting in the R. Barbosa High School

    Democracy always have no meanings rationally speaking: procedurally
    and outcome based (Or substantial and transactional).

    Do you include Swiss _direct_ democracy?
    I would suggests "usually+" instead of "always".

    <advocatus-diaboli> BTW AFAIK USA have not respected _legal_ property
    of slave owners and paid no "fair compensation". Is it a mark of
    undemocratic country? </advocatus-diaboli>

    There are rules, exception and exceptions to exceptions.

    --
    A. Filip
    | There's nothing to writing. All you do is sit at a typewriter and
    | open a vein. (Red Smith)

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 28 23:39:59 2024
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    […]
    More import, democracy begins with ONE PEOPLE. Civilizational power
    is the ultimate soft power. People selectively remember and forget
    part of their past to become ONE PEOPLE.

    To the extent that a country is not of ONE PEOPLE, "procedural
    democracy" would more likely than not, produce the tyranny of the
    majority, not real democracy.

    Is India more "one people" than China?

    --
    A. Filip
    | An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest.
    | (Benjamin Franklin)

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Jan 29 21:55:23 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:40:34 PM UTC-8, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    […]
    More import, democracy begins with ONE PEOPLE. Civilizational power
    is the ultimate soft power. People selectively remember and forget
    part of their past to become ONE PEOPLE.

    To the extent that a country is not of ONE PEOPLE, "procedural
    democracy" would more likely than not, produce the tyranny of the
    majority, not real democracy.

    Is India more "one people" than China?

    Selectively forgetting parts of the past means living a lie. This "one people" concept, whatever it means, sounds lousy.

    IMHO it is not strictly necessary/required for a working democracy but
    it helps a lot.

    --
    A. Filip
    | I can't understand why a person will take a year or two to write a
    | novel when he can easily buy one for a few dollars. (Fred Allen)

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Jan 29 22:17:26 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 12:55:28 PM UTC-8, A. Filip wrote:
    bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:40:34 PM UTC-8, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    […]
    More import, democracy begins with ONE PEOPLE. Civilizational power
    is the ultimate soft power. People selectively remember and forget
    part of their past to become ONE PEOPLE.

    To the extent that a country is not of ONE PEOPLE, "procedural
    democracy" would more likely than not, produce the tyranny of the
    majority, not real democracy.

    Is India more "one people" than China?

    Selectively forgetting parts of the past means living a lie. This "one
    people" concept, whatever it means, sounds lousy.
    IMHO it is not strictly necessary/required for a working democracy but
    it helps a lot.

    What does "one people" even mean? There is dissent in China but we
    both know how they handle it.

    "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

    "One People" should mean _wanting_ to be one people.
    It may mean American Civil War (Secession War). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

    In "One PRC China" v "One ROC China" context:
    Is ROC ready to change its constitution to be democratic and independent?

    --
    A. Filip
    | If it is a Miracle, any sort of evidence will answer, but if it is
    | a Fact, proof is necessary. (Samuel Clemens)

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Jan 29 23:17:46 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 1:18:00 PM UTC-8, A. Filip wrote:
    bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 12:55:28 PM UTC-8, A. Filip wrote:
    bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:40:34 PM UTC-8, A. Filip wrote:
    ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    […]
    More import, democracy begins with ONE PEOPLE. Civilizational power >> >> >> > is the ultimate soft power. People selectively remember and forget >> >> >> > part of their past to become ONE PEOPLE.

    To the extent that a country is not of ONE PEOPLE, "procedural
    democracy" would more likely than not, produce the tyranny of the
    majority, not real democracy.

    Is India more "one people" than China?

    Selectively forgetting parts of the past means living a lie. This "one >> >> > people" concept, whatever it means, sounds lousy.
    IMHO it is not strictly necessary/required for a working democracy but
    it helps a lot.

    What does "one people" even mean? There is dissent in China but we
    both know how they handle it.

    "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."
    "One People" should mean _wanting_ to be one people.
    […]

    That still begs the question of what "one people" means.

    When? Where?
    The meaning is (politically) "very flexible".

    --
    | While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you
    | don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove.
    | (Edward Stevenson)

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