• Re: NYT: The Genocide Charge Against Israel Is a Moral Obscenity [quite

    From A. Filip@21:1/5 to bmoore on Wed Jan 17 19:24:45 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/16/opinion/israel-hamas-war-genocide.html

    In recent decades, as many as three million people perished in a
    famine in North Korea that was mainly government-induced. Hundreds of thousands of Syrians were gassed, bombed, starved or tortured to death
    by the Assad regime, and an estimated 14 million were forced to flee
    their homes. China has put more than a million Uyghurs through
    gulag-like re-education camps in a thinly veiled attempt to suppress
    and erase their religious and cultural identity.

    But North Korea, Syria and China have never been charged with genocide
    at the International Court of Justice. Israel has. How curious. And
    how obscene.

    <irony> I am sure Israel and "impartial" NYT are ready to pave the way
    to the unavoidable followup cases. </irony> IMHO PRC may be against
    guilty verdict but embarrassing genocide accusations (by others)
    directed elsewhere are quite another story. So free to promote attitude
    "Let's go to The Hell *together* ". I sure your success is (almost)
    guaranteed *here* .

    IMHO it is not in PRC interest to allow Israel escape *easily* .

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Jan 19 22:53:23 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:05:13 AM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 6:25:19 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
    bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/16/opinion/israel-hamas-war-genocide.html

    In recent decades, as many as three million people perished in a
    famine in North Korea that was mainly government-induced. Hundreds of
    thousands of Syrians were gassed, bombed, starved or tortured to death >> > > by the Assad regime, and an estimated 14 million were forced to flee
    their homes. China has put more than a million Uyghurs through
    gulag-like re-education camps in a thinly veiled attempt to suppress
    and erase their religious and cultural identity.

    But North Korea, Syria and China have never been charged with genocide >> > > at the International Court of Justice. Israel has. How curious. And
    how obscene.
    <irony> I am sure Israel and "impartial" NYT are ready to pave the way
    to the unavoidable followup cases. </irony> IMHO PRC may be against
    guilty verdict but embarrassing genocide accusations (by others)
    directed elsewhere are quite another story. So free to promote attitude
    "Let's go to The Hell *together* ". I sure your success is (almost)
    guaranteed *here* .

    IMHO it is not in PRC interest to allow Israel escape *easily* .

    Looks like some US commentators have an OVERLY SIMPLE algorithm
    concerning Israel. Something like, "IF Israel, it must be MORAL." And
    accusations must be dismissed as obscenity. Needless to say, Israel
    knows better.
    […]

    israel deserves citicism. But it is silly to condemn Israel while
    excusing so much other bad behavior by other countries.

    <advocatus-diaboli> PRC may deserve (some) criticism. But it silly to
    condemn PRC while excusing so much other bad behavior by other
    countries. </advocatus-diaboli>

    What makes Israel less guilty of genocide than PRC? AFAIK PRC have not
    been formally accused *in legal sense* but even "informal" accusations
    at high enough level should not be easily forgotten.
    PRC may be guilty of genocide in legal (obscure technical) terms but not
    in "mass killing" terms (common non legal understanding).
    Israel causes mass loss of civilian lives which technically *may* fail
    to be considered genocide in legal terms.

    Hail the law of undesired consequences.

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