• Support yourself

    From Newspaper@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 11:17:37 2023
    Learn to support yourself and support others.

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  • From Offline Surfer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 05:51:34 2023
    You must learn to support yourself and your family.

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  • From Nomen Nescio@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 23:13:26 2023
    Learn to support yourself and your family.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Nomen Nescio on Mon Aug 14 05:09:42 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.

    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 15 04:03:20 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 8:09:44 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?

    Borrowing means paying interest. Of course, interest payment obligation could be met by further.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 05:30:48 2023
    On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:03:23 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 8:09:44 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?
    Borrowing means paying interest. Of course, interest payment obligation could be met by further.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A091RC1Q027SBEA
    2023 Q1 Interest payment: $928.929 billion annualized
    2023 Q2 Interest payment: $969.986 billion annualized

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 08:57:42 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:09:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?

    Why focus on the US when the Chinese national debt is much higher?

    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124#:~:text=Many%20people%20believe%20that%20much,most%20of%20the%20national%20debt.

    Many people believe that much of the U.S. national debt is owed to foreign countries like China and Japan, but the truth is that most of it is owed to Social Security and pension funds right here in the U.S. This means that U.S. citizens own most of the
    national debt.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Aug 25 11:34:37 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:09:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?
    Why focus on the US when the Chinese national debt is much higher?

    Wrong.
    In term of dollars own, the US is the largest debtor nation. As percentage of GDP, the US debt load
    is substantially higher than China's.

    China: 2022 77.097%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GGGDTACNA188N

    US: 2022 >120%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S

    Japan: 2021 > 217.614%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DEBTTLJPA188A

    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124#:~:text=Many%20people%20believe%20that%20much,most%20of%20the%20national%20debt.

    Many people believe that much of the U.S. national debt is owed to foreign countries like China and Japan, but the truth is that most of it is owed to Social Security and pension funds right here in the U.S. This means that U.S. citizens own most of
    the national debt.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 12:20:06 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:09:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?
    Why focus on the US when the Chinese national debt is much higher?
    Wrong.
    In term of dollars own, the US is the largest debtor nation. As percentage of GDP, the US debt load
    is substantially higher than China's.

    I guess it all depends on how you measure it. But the truth is still that bashing the US economy and praising China's is silly. Not accurate. I would rather live in the US, wouldn't you?

    A Crisis of Confidence Is Gripping China’s Economy https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/china-economy-confidence.html China’s economy, which once seemed unstoppable, is plagued by a series of problems, and a growing lack of faith in the future is verging on despair.


    China: 2022 77.097%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GGGDTACNA188N

    US: 2022 >120%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S

    Japan: 2021 > 217.614%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DEBTTLJPA188A
    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124#:~:text=Many%20people%20believe%20that%20much,most%20of%20the%20national%20debt.

    Many people believe that much of the U.S. national debt is owed to foreign countries like China and Japan, but the truth is that most of it is owed to Social Security and pension funds right here in the U.S. This means that U.S. citizens own most of
    the national debt.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Aug 25 15:21:22 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:20:08 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:09:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?
    Why focus on the US when the Chinese national debt is much higher?
    Wrong.
    In term of dollars own, the US is the largest debtor nation. As percentage of GDP, the US debt load
    is substantially higher than China's.
    I guess it all depends on how you measure it. But the truth is still that bashing the US economy and praising China's is silly. Not accurate. I would rather live in the US, wouldn't you?

    Not true.
    China: 2022 77.097%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GGGDTACNA188N > >
    US: 2022 >120%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S

    The above pages, both from the US Fed Reserve Bank, reported apple to apple comparison.
    In no way Chinese national debt is much higher than US national debt if compared correctly.


    A Crisis of Confidence Is Gripping China’s Economy https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/china-economy-confidence.html China’s economy, which once seemed unstoppable, is plagued by a series of problems, and a growing lack of faith in the future is verging on despair.

    I don't consider NYTimes a reliable source of happenings in China in general. Feel free to quote the content IF you think the article is exceptional.

    Japan: 2021 > 217.614%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DEBTTLJPA188A
    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124#:~:text=Many%20people%20believe%20that%20much,most%20of%20the%20national%20debt.

    Many people believe that much of the U.S. national debt is owed to foreign countries like China and Japan, but the truth is that most of it is owed to Social Security and pension funds right here in the U.S. This means that U.S. citizens own most
    of the national debt.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 07:20:02 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:20:08 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:09:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?
    Why focus on the US when the Chinese national debt is much higher?
    Wrong.
    In term of dollars own, the US is the largest debtor nation. As percentage of GDP, the US debt load
    is substantially higher than China's.
    I guess it all depends on how you measure it. But the truth is still that bashing the US economy and praising China's is silly. Not accurate. I would rather live in the US, wouldn't you?
    Not true.
    China: 2022 77.097%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GGGDTACNA188N > >
    US: 2022 >120%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S
    The above pages, both from the US Fed Reserve Bank, reported apple to apple comparison.
    In no way Chinese national debt is much higher than US national debt if compared correctly.

    If you say so. So the Chinese economy is doing great?

    A Crisis of Confidence Is Gripping China’s Economy https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/china-economy-confidence.html China’s economy, which once seemed unstoppable, is plagued by a series of problems, and a growing lack of faith in the future is verging on despair.

    I don't consider NYTimes a reliable source of happenings in China in general. Feel free to quote the content IF you think the article is exceptional.

    I don't consider anything from the PRC state controlled press to be reliable.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Aug 26 09:58:03 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:20:04 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:20:08 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:09:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?
    Why focus on the US when the Chinese national debt is much higher?
    Wrong.
    In term of dollars own, the US is the largest debtor nation. As percentage of GDP, the US debt load
    is substantially higher than China's.
    I guess it all depends on how you measure it. But the truth is still that bashing the US economy and praising China's is silly. Not accurate. I would rather live in the US, wouldn't you?
    Not true.
    China: 2022 77.097%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GGGDTACNA188N > >
    US: 2022 >120%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S
    The above pages, both from the US Fed Reserve Bank, reported apple to apple comparison.
    In no way Chinese national debt is much higher than US national debt if compared correctly.
    If you say so. So the Chinese economy is doing great?

    To be honest. I don't know enough to render a conclusion one way or the other. However, western media has yet to provide real evidence to support the shared theme that China's
    economy as a whole is in trouble.

    A Crisis of Confidence Is Gripping China’s Economy https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/china-economy-confidence.html
    China’s economy, which once seemed unstoppable, is plagued by a series of problems, and a growing lack of faith in the future is verging on despair.

    I don't consider NYTimes a reliable source of happenings in China in general. Feel free to quote the content IF you think the article is exceptional.
    I don't consider anything from the PRC state controlled press to be reliable.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 13:45:27 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:58:06 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:20:04 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:20:08 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:09:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:13:32 PM UTC-4, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Learn to support yourself and your family.
    Can the US government supports itself without borrowing large sum of money from the world?
    Why focus on the US when the Chinese national debt is much higher?
    Wrong.
    In term of dollars own, the US is the largest debtor nation. As percentage of GDP, the US debt load
    is substantially higher than China's.
    I guess it all depends on how you measure it. But the truth is still that bashing the US economy and praising China's is silly. Not accurate. I would rather live in the US, wouldn't you?
    Not true.
    China: 2022 77.097%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GGGDTACNA188N > >
    US: 2022 >120%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S
    The above pages, both from the US Fed Reserve Bank, reported apple to apple comparison.
    In no way Chinese national debt is much higher than US national debt if compared correctly.
    If you say so. So the Chinese economy is doing great?
    To be honest. I don't know enough to render a conclusion one way or the other.
    However, western media has yet to provide real evidence to support the shared theme that China's
    economy as a whole is in trouble.

    You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know.

    A Crisis of Confidence Is Gripping China’s Economy https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/china-economy-confidence.html
    China’s economy, which once seemed unstoppable, is plagued by a series of problems, and a growing lack of faith in the future is verging on despair.

    I don't consider NYTimes a reliable source of happenings in China in general. Feel free to quote the content IF you think the article is exceptional.
    I don't consider anything from the PRC state controlled press to be reliable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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