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On 01 Nov 2021, Steve Cummings <jthomqx@gmail.com> posted some news:slpran$2gj$14@news.dns-netz.com:

Fuck that. Just shoot the animals.

Big Apple grocers who have been using facial-recognition technology to
battle a citywide shoplifting epidemic are fuming over a City Council
proposal that would ban the software — just as shopkeepers say it is
beginning to prove effective.

The proposed bill — which follows the city’s feud with Madison Square
Garden owner James Dolan, who has used the tech to bar his legal enemies
from events at his sports and entertainment venues – would require private businesses and residential buildings to obtain customers’ written consent before their biometric information is captured.

Such a rule would make it practically impossible for supermarkets to use
the technology to combat theft — even as Dolan has grabbed headlines for
using it at Radio City Music Hall, where he barred one lawyer from
attending the Rockettes’ Christmas Spectacular with her daughter’s Girl
Scout Troop.

While Dolan’s controversial clampdown helped galvanize legislators this
spring, the bill has gained momentum as some argue that the technology
should only be allowed for use by law enforcement, claiming that it
increases the risk of racial profiling.

“Studies have consistently shown that this technology has high error rates
for darker skinned people,” City Council member and co-sponsor Shahana
Hanif (D-Brooklyn) said in a statement to The Post. “We’re headed down a dystopian path if we’re conceding that a facial recognition scan is a prerequisite to buying eggs.”

Hanif, who was raised Muslim, said she has “been aware of the surveillance state for years,” having grown up in New York City after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks.

“The Madison Square Garden incidents pushed this legislation into the
spotlight and helped us to get a hearing on the books,” added Hanif’s spokesperson, Michael Whitesides. “I wouldn’t put this all on MSG and
James Dolan.”

The bill — which calls for a $5,000 fine per violation, as well as any
legal fees involved — is gaining support with some 15 legislators signed
on, up from seven at a May 3 committee hearing. It’s not yet clear whether
it’s being fast-tracked or not.

“I hope this doesn’t advance because I think it penalizes small
businesses,” said Councilman Robert Holden (D-Queens), who attended the
hearing as a member of the technology committee.

The security industry maintains that facial recognition technology has
improved so much that concerns about racial profiling are outdated.

“The narrative that the technology is performing less well for certain demographic groups is based on old information,” said Jake Parker,
director of government relations for the Security Industry Association.
“In the early days of facial recognition about 10 years ago, there were lower-performing technologies but today’s software is very accurate, high- performing and uses artificial intelligence.”

Earlier this year, a group of independent grocers formed a political
coalition to demand that legislators and law enforcement clamp down on shoplifters, whose heists have multiplied since the pandemic.

In 2022, NYPD officials said that 327 people accounted for 6,660 arrests —
or 30% of all shoplifting incidents. Business owners blame Manhattan
district Attorney Alvin Bragg for the spike in shoplifting after he said
last year that stealing less than $1,000 worth of goods is considered a misdemeanor and not among the crimes his office would be prosecuting.

In response, scores of businesses, including Fairway and Westside Market,
have invested in facial-recognition technology. Between 30% and 40% of all independent groceries are using some version of the software, according to
Jay Peltz, senior vice president of government relations for the Food
Industry Alliance of New York.

The stores are building databases of thieves who have stolen from them at
least once, identifying them initially on surveillance cameras. Images are
then plugged into the facial-recognition software, which becomes more
effective over time.

“We still have a problem with first-time shoplifters, but once we see them
we tag those people,” said Miguel Garcia, who co-owns a Foodtown, Key Food
and Met Supermarket in the Bronx that have been using the technology since
last year.

“When the person has the merchandise already, then it’s like, ‘No, I’m not going to give it up,’” said Garcia, who adds that his staff has been
threatened verbally and with knives and bats.

“We are losing a lot of staff because they are literally afraid to work in
the store,” Garcia said. “It’s insane that [the city] want to take this [technology] out of my stores when it’s cutting down on such
confrontations.”

In addition to text messages alerting the staff to a suspicious person, Garcia’s stores have a light above the entrance of the store that flashes yellow when the software flags someone. Some potential shoplifters simply
turn around and leave the store before anyone approaches them, Garcia
said.

Success stories like Garcia’s convinced Morton Williams’ owner to shop for facial recognition software to install in his 16 stores in the city. Over
the past year, the chain has spent over $1 million to hire off-duty NYPD officials to stand guard at the stores’ exits, co-owner Avi Kaner told
City Council members at the May 3 hearing.

“It’s not sustainable to employ NYPD officers, who get paid $50 an hour
when theft happens in our stores every day,” Kaner told The Post. “It’s practically wiped out any profit we have.”

Last month, a group of five thieves pillaged the Morton Williams’ store
across the street from Columbia University in just two minutes, fanning
out into different aisles and stuffing toothpaste, meat and detergent into duffel bags. When an employee tried to stop the shoplifters from running
out without paying, one pulled a knife on him.

Critics of facial recognition software say the systems can be 99% accurate
for middle-aged white men but get it wrong more than one in three times
for some women of color.

“Grocery stores want us to trust them they are not getting it wrong, but I
want them to give us the data to back up their claims,” Albert Fox Khan, executive director of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project told
The Post.

Carlos Collado, a co-owner of two Fine Fare grocery stores in the Bronx
and Harlem who also manages four other stores, has been using the software
for the past five months. He estimates it is saving him $150 a week per
store — a number that is steadily increasing as it builds a database of
known shoplifters.

Collado said the system he uses rarely flags the wrong person, and that
when it happens his staff catches the error before approaching the person.

“The last thing we want to do is to turn away a customer,” Collado said.

Harry T
7 hours ago

This is and has been the deterioration of a former great society. Not a
perfect one but one of the best to exist on planet earth.

The voters in most major cities have elected people to positions of power
with a policy of protecting the criminal element and with a concerted
effort to disarm the good citizens.

Not all great civilizations are destroyed by external forces. Many self destruct from within.

Sadly and regrettably this is taking place in our Country now.

Kurt Barlow
6 hours ago

Easy problem to fix. Here are 3 simple solutions. Feel free to vote for
your favorite.

1) Close all grocery stores in NYC.

2) Convert all Grocery stores to a membership approach. All members must
pass a credit and background check. Doors will be locked at all times.
Only approved members will be allowed in.

3)NYC DA could aggressively prosecute shoplifters.

Simple fact: grocery stores make a net profit after tax of about 2 to 3%. Enough shoplifting can easily tip them into losses; making it easy to
decide to close their doors. People wonder why “Food Deserts” develop but
the math is quite simple.

Shoplifting hurts all of us.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/18/grocers-cry-foul-as-nyc-weighs-ban-on-face- id-tech-that-stops-thieves/

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