You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and
sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his
hand.
Please note that no "scriptures," "papyrus," or "scroll" were handy at
the time! :-).
I digress.
No sinner is righteous, no sinner has integrity, all sinners are liars,
but sinners still have a choice, a free will choice. It is portrayed in
the world (sinner Christianity) that choice makes one righteous; it most certainly does not! If it did, then we could make ourselves righteous,
right?
And that can never be!
So, the best Abraham could hope for was...
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
His choice could only be "accounted" to him for righteousness.
Abraham would have to wait in faith for the Messiah (God) for him to be
made righteousness.
Still, to this day, it remains that you either choose God or yourself,
but understand this: there is no in-between world for the lukewarm
sinner to snuggle in and hold up in some "positional" or "forensic"
bullshit theology.
Why is that?
It's all or nothing—you lose your life or you keep it. That is it!
God or self, that is your choice, and never the twain shall meet.
Michael Christ
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and
sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his
hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but whereis the lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
This is a picture of Jesus The Christ, as our substitute for sin. Paying the price for our sin. Isaac is our Brother and as Isaac was to be a sin offering V13 Abraham was stopped, having followed Gods plan for him and his son, and God provided the Substitute for a sin offering. This was a prophetic action exampled through Abraham and Isaac.
May God open your eyes to see.
Please note that no "scriptures," "papyrus," or "scroll" were handy at
the time! :-).
I digress.
No sinner is righteous, no sinner has integrity, all sinners are liars,
but sinners still have a choice, a free will choice. It is portrayed in
the world (sinner Christianity) that choice makes one righteous; it most
certainly does not! If it did, then we could make ourselves righteous,
right?
And that can never be!
So, the best Abraham could hope for was...
As shown to you via the scripture above, Abraham was made/accounted as perfect by the LORD; Gen 17:1
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for
righteousness.
His choice could only be "accounted" to him for righteousness.
As shown to you, you are in full error here.
Abraham would have to wait in faith for the Messiah (God) for him to be
made righteousness.
By faith, and the word of the LORD, he was made whom he was made, all he had to do is walk before the LORD.
Obviously he did or there would have been no Messiah.
Still, to this day, it remains that you either choose God or yourself,
but understand this: there is no in-between world for the lukewarm
sinner to snuggle in and hold up in some "positional" or "forensic"
bullshit theology.
Why is that?
It's all or nothing—you lose your life or you keep it. That is it!
God or self, that is your choice, and never the twain shall meet.
You do not even meet your own standards, so why not follow God as did Abraham?
Michael Christ
On 3/04/2024 2:47 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou
perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said,
Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but whereis the
lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an
altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld
thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The Lord took me back to your context.......
What you don't see is that Abraham still had to make an offering for his
sin. Let that sink in.
Therefore, accounted righteousness (fearing God) does not equal
righteousness (in Christ Jesus/God). Therefore, obviously, there is a difference between Abraham's "accounted as righteousness" and "God's righteousness!"
There, I have addressed 'your context' upon 'my context in my posting.'
And to add to 'my context'............
1) Abraham still needed the Messiah to come; the Lord's (God's) righteousness.
2) Fearing God is not enough; one must repent in dust and ashes for who
they are.
3) Job and Abraham were regarded as "perfect and righteous" because they
were in their fear of God, but fear does not make a man choose God.
4) What makes a man choose God is choosing Him for who He is, and for
that a man needs the Lord to reveal Himself personally.
5) If that does not occur, then that man isn't all that interested in
God but more interested in himself.
6) "God or self? That's your choice...1, 2, and 3!
Michael Christ
14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah jireh: as it is said to
this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
This is a picture of Jesus The Christ, as our substitute for sin. Paying the
price for our sin. Isaac is our Brother and as Isaac was to be a sin offering
V13 Abraham was stopped, having followed Gods plan for him and his son, and God provided the Substitute for a sin offering. This was a prophetic action exampled through Abraham and Isaac.
May God open your eyes to see.
Please note that no "scriptures," "papyrus," or "scroll" were handy at the time! :-).
I digress.
No sinner is righteous, no sinner has integrity, all sinners are liars, but sinners still have a choice, a free will choice. It is portrayed in the world (sinner Christianity) that choice makes one righteous; it most certainly does not! If it did, then we could make ourselves righteous, right?
And that can never be!
So, the best Abraham could hope for was...
As shown to you via the scripture above, Abraham was made/accounted as perfect by the LORD; Gen 17:1
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
His choice could only be "accounted" to him for righteousness.
As shown to you, you are in full error here.
Abraham would have to wait in faith for the Messiah (God) for him to be made righteousness.
By faith, and the word of the LORD, he was made whom he was made, all he had
to do is walk before the LORD.
Obviously he did or there would have been no Messiah.
Still, to this day, it remains that you either choose God or yourself, but understand this: there is no in-between world for the lukewarm
sinner to snuggle in and hold up in some "positional" or "forensic" bullshit theology.
Why is that?
It's all or nothing—you lose your life or you keep it. That is it!
God or self, that is your choice, and never the twain shall meet.
You do not even meet your own standards, so why not follow God as did Abraham?
Michael Christ
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uukq99$4k0o$5@dont-email.me>):
On 3/04/2024 2:47 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and
sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his >>>> hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to >>> Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou
perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply >>> thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him,
saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said,
Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but whereis >>> the
lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt
offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an
altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid >>> him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said,
Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing >>> unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not
withheld
thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a ram >>> caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and >>> offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The Lord took me back to your context.......
What you don't see is that Abraham still had to make an offering for his
sin. Let that sink in.
But of course, and he did it by Faith, and God knew his heart, and so God honored him. ALL the men that God accounted perfect in the OT, sacrificed by faith of the Messiah to come. Job included. They all did it annually. And God provided the sacrifice, directly, in that situation, fulfilling what Abraham said, that the Lord would provide the sacrifice. See V13
Therefore, accounted righteousness (fearing God) does not equal
righteousness (in Christ Jesus/God). Therefore, obviously, there is a
difference between Abraham's "accounted as righteousness" and "God's
righteousness!"
Incorrect. God rewarded them all their life for their continuance in him. Look at what Satan said about perfect Job. That he could not touch him because of the hedge God had around Job. Plus, the righteousness that God accounted to him was from God, not because of their deeds.Now matter how you slice and dice it, it all came from God to man.
There, I have addressed 'your context' upon 'my context in my posting.'
No, you misconstrued the work of God as well as His word.
And to add to 'my context'............
1) Abraham still needed the Messiah to come; the Lord's (God's)
righteousness.
And that is why he dwelt in paradise until the resurrection of Jesus, as did all the other saints.
2) Fearing God is not enough; one must repent in dust and ashes for who
they are.
Not by works under the saving Grace of Jesus, Jesus paid the price in full.
Repentance is doing a 180 change, change in heart and actions.
3) Job and Abraham were regarded as "perfect and righteous" because they
were in their fear of God, but fear does not make a man choose God.
Fear in such a case is reverence and total respect, knowing and recognizing his total authority.
4) What makes a man choose God is choosing Him for who He is, and for
that a man needs the Lord to reveal Himself personally.
In part yes, but it is also due to recognition that he alone is God and we are not, also realizing the we can do nothing on ourselves, the we are sinners in need of redemption.
5) If that does not occur, then that man isn't all that interested in
God but more interested in himself.
Many ‘christians’ are that way also.
6) "God or self? That's your choice...1, 2, and 3!
One must, at all times, walk in the Spirit, never looking back, as did Lots wife, in order to fulfill that.
Paul raked Peter over the coals for the egregious errors he made, yet he never once condemned him to hell, etc. for them and that is something for you to consider when propagating your personal doctrine of making no mistakes. Jesus who is our High Priest in Heaven, before the throne of His Father, is also our advocate. Why, because he was tested in all points as we are daily. He knows what it is like to live as a man living in this world of evil. We need a good lawyer there, and he fulfills the need perfectly.
If all christians never committed any sin there would be no need for an advocate.
Michael Christ
I do appreciate your efforts in addressing some of what I said, but are you recanting that your self is god?
On 4/04/2024 1:08 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uukq99$4k0o$5@dont-email.me>):
On 3/04/2024 2:47 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his
hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to
Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou
perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply
thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said,
Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but whereis
the
lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built
an
altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid
him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing
unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld
thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a ram
caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and
offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The Lord took me back to your context.......
What you don't see is that Abraham still had to make an offering for his sin. Let that sink in.
But of course, and he did it by Faith, and God knew his heart, and so God honored him. ALL the men that God accounted perfect in the OT, sacrificed by
faith of the Messiah to come. Job included. They all did it annually. And God
provided the sacrifice, directly, in that situation, fulfilling what Abraham
said, that the Lord would provide the sacrifice. See V13
Therefore, accounted righteousness (fearing God) does not equal righteousness (in Christ Jesus/God). Therefore, obviously, there is a difference between Abraham's "accounted as righteousness" and "God's righteousness!"
Incorrect. God rewarded them all their life for their continuance in him. Look at what Satan said about perfect Job. That he could not touch him because of the hedge God had around Job. Plus, the righteousness that God accounted to him was from God, not because of their deeds.Now matter how you
slice and dice it, it all came from God to man.
There, I have addressed 'your context' upon 'my context in my posting.'
No, you misconstrued the work of God as well as His word.
And to add to 'my context'............
1) Abraham still needed the Messiah to come; the Lord's (God's) righteousness.
And that is why he dwelt in paradise until the resurrection of Jesus, as did
all the other saints.
2) Fearing God is not enough; one must repent in dust and ashes for who they are.
Not by works under the saving Grace of Jesus, Jesus paid the price in full.
Repentance is doing a 180 change, change in heart and actions.
3) Job and Abraham were regarded as "perfect and righteous" because they were in their fear of God, but fear does not make a man choose God.
Fear in such a case is reverence and total respect, knowing and recognizing his total authority.
4) What makes a man choose God is choosing Him for who He is, and for that a man needs the Lord to reveal Himself personally.
In part yes, but it is also due to recognition that he alone is God and we are not, also realizing the we can do nothing on ourselves, the we are sinners in need of redemption.
5) If that does not occur, then that man isn't all that interested in
God but more interested in himself.
Many ‘christians’ are that way also.
6) "God or self? That's your choice...1, 2, and 3!
One must, at all times, walk in the Spirit, never looking back, as did Lots wife, in order to fulfill that.
Paul raked Peter over the coals for the egregious errors he made, yet he never once condemned him to hell, etc. for them and that is something for you
to consider when propagating your personal doctrine of making no mistakes. Jesus who is our High Priest in Heaven, before the throne of His Father, is also our advocate. Why, because he was tested in all points as we are daily.
He knows what it is like to live as a man living in this world of evil. We need a good lawyer there, and he fulfills the need perfectly.
If all christians never committed any sin there would be no need for an advocate.
Michael Christ
I do appreciate your efforts in addressing some of what I said, but are you recanting that your self is god?
-). You know only too well that I would never say or mean that. It wasvery disingenuous of you to make that claim, and that is to put it very mildly. Why you even have to do that is a question you should ask yourself.
It is on your head that you would contextualise that about me.
As for your replies to what I said, you were given an explanation that
you could understand if you were predisposed to do so, and that is it. I
am always open to people who ask questions about what "I" have said.
However, if they are going to simply dump their context on what I say
and argue that context, that is another thing, and I have better things
to do.
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
Michael Christ
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uul6dd$digl$1@dont-email.me>):
On 4/04/2024 1:08 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrotevery disingenuous of you to make that claim, and that is to put it very
(in article <uukq99$4k0o$5@dont-email.me>):
On 3/04/2024 2:47 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and
sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his >>>>>> hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to >>>>> Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be >>>>> thou
perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will
multiply
thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, >>>>> saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he >>>>> said,
Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but whereis >>>>> the
lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt >>>>> offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built >>>>> an
altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid
him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his >>>>> son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, >>>>> Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing
unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not >>>>> withheld
thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a ram >>>>> caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and >>>>> offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The Lord took me back to your context.......
What you don't see is that Abraham still had to make an offering for his >>>> sin. Let that sink in.
But of course, and he did it by Faith, and God knew his heart, and so God >>> honored him. ALL the men that God accounted perfect in the OT, sacrificed by
faith of the Messiah to come. Job included. They all did it annually. And >>> God
provided the sacrifice, directly, in that situation, fulfilling what Abraham
said, that the Lord would provide the sacrifice. See V13
Therefore, accounted righteousness (fearing God) does not equal
righteousness (in Christ Jesus/God). Therefore, obviously, there is a
difference between Abraham's "accounted as righteousness" and "God's
righteousness!"
Incorrect. God rewarded them all their life for their continuance in him. >>> Look at what Satan said about perfect Job. That he could not touch him
because of the hedge God had around Job. Plus, the righteousness that God >>> accounted to him was from God, not because of their deeds.Now matter how you
slice and dice it, it all came from God to man.
No, you misconstrued the work of God as well as His word.
There, I have addressed 'your context' upon 'my context in my posting.' >>>
And to add to 'my context'............
1) Abraham still needed the Messiah to come; the Lord's (God's)
righteousness.
And that is why he dwelt in paradise until the resurrection of Jesus, as did
all the other saints.
2) Fearing God is not enough; one must repent in dust and ashes for who >>>> they are.
Not by works under the saving Grace of Jesus, Jesus paid the price in full. >>>
Repentance is doing a 180 change, change in heart and actions.
3) Job and Abraham were regarded as "perfect and righteous" because they >>>> were in their fear of God, but fear does not make a man choose God.
Fear in such a case is reverence and total respect, knowing and recognizing >>> his total authority.
4) What makes a man choose God is choosing Him for who He is, and for
that a man needs the Lord to reveal Himself personally.
In part yes, but it is also due to recognition that he alone is God and we >>> are not, also realizing the we can do nothing on ourselves, the we are
sinners in need of redemption.
5) If that does not occur, then that man isn't all that interested in
God but more interested in himself.
Many ‘christians’ are that way also.
6) "God or self? That's your choice...1, 2, and 3!
One must, at all times, walk in the Spirit, never looking back, as did Lots >>> wife, in order to fulfill that.
Paul raked Peter over the coals for the egregious errors he made, yet he >>> never once condemned him to hell, etc. for them and that is something for >>> you
to consider when propagating your personal doctrine of making no mistakes. >>> Jesus who is our High Priest in Heaven, before the throne of His Father, is >>> also our advocate. Why, because he was tested in all points as we are daily.
He knows what it is like to live as a man living in this world of evil. We >>> need a good lawyer there, and he fulfills the need perfectly.
If all christians never committed any sin there would be no need for an
advocate.
Michael Christ
I do appreciate your efforts in addressing some of what I said, but are you >>> recanting that your self is god?
-). You know only too well that I would never say or mean that. It was
mildly. Why you even have to do that is a question you should ask yourself. >>
It is on your head that you would contextualise that about me.
As for your replies to what I said, you were given an explanation that
you could understand if you were predisposed to do so, and that is it. I
am always open to people who ask questions about what "I" have said.
However, if they are going to simply dump their context on what I say
and argue that context, that is another thing, and I have better things
to do.
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
Michael Christ
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and Brimstone as a place of eternal torture or punishment?
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone as a place of eternal torture or punishment?
On 4/04/2024 4:27 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uul6dd$digl$1@dont-email.me>):
On 4/04/2024 1:08 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uukq99$4k0o$5@dont-email.me>):
On 3/04/2024 2:47 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his
hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared
to
Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be
thou
perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply
thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him,
saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he
said,
Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but whereis
the
lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt
offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built
an
altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and
laid
him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his
son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said,
Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any
thing
unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not
withheld
thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a
ram
caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and
offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The Lord took me back to your context.......
What you don't see is that Abraham still had to make an offering for his
sin. Let that sink in.
But of course, and he did it by Faith, and God knew his heart, and so God
honored him. ALL the men that God accounted perfect in the OT, sacrificed
by
faith of the Messiah to come. Job included. They all did it annually. And
God
provided the sacrifice, directly, in that situation, fulfilling what Abraham
said, that the Lord would provide the sacrifice. See V13
Therefore, accounted righteousness (fearing God) does not equal righteousness (in Christ Jesus/God). Therefore, obviously, there is a difference between Abraham's "accounted as righteousness" and "God's righteousness!"
Incorrect. God rewarded them all their life for their continuance in him.
Look at what Satan said about perfect Job. That he could not touch him because of the hedge God had around Job. Plus, the righteousness that God
accounted to him was from God, not because of their deeds.Now matter how
you
slice and dice it, it all came from God to man.
There, I have addressed 'your context' upon 'my context in my posting.'
No, you misconstrued the work of God as well as His word.
And to add to 'my context'............
1) Abraham still needed the Messiah to come; the Lord's (God's) righteousness.
And that is why he dwelt in paradise until the resurrection of Jesus, as
did
all the other saints.
2) Fearing God is not enough; one must repent in dust and ashes for who
they are.
Not by works under the saving Grace of Jesus, Jesus paid the price in full.
Repentance is doing a 180 change, change in heart and actions.
3) Job and Abraham were regarded as "perfect and righteous" because they
were in their fear of God, but fear does not make a man choose God.
Fear in such a case is reverence and total respect, knowing and recognizing
his total authority.
4) What makes a man choose God is choosing Him for who He is, and for that a man needs the Lord to reveal Himself personally.
In part yes, but it is also due to recognition that he alone is God and we
are not, also realizing the we can do nothing on ourselves, the we are sinners in need of redemption.
5) If that does not occur, then that man isn't all that interested in God but more interested in himself.
Many ‘christians’ are that way also.
6) "God or self? That's your choice...1, 2, and 3!
One must, at all times, walk in the Spirit, never looking back, as did Lots
wife, in order to fulfill that.
Paul raked Peter over the coals for the egregious errors he made, yet he
never once condemned him to hell, etc. for them and that is something for
you
to consider when propagating your personal doctrine of making no mistakes.
Jesus who is our High Priest in Heaven, before the throne of His Father,
is
also our advocate. Why, because he was tested in all points as we are daily.
He knows what it is like to live as a man living in this world of evil. We
need a good lawyer there, and he fulfills the need perfectly.
If all christians never committed any sin there would be no need for an advocate.
Michael Christ
I do appreciate your efforts in addressing some of what I said, but are you
recanting that your self is god?
-). You know only too well that I would never say or mean that. It wasvery disingenuous of you to make that claim, and that is to put it very mildly. Why you even have to do that is a question you should ask yourself.
It is on your head that you would contextualise that about me.
As for your replies to what I said, you were given an explanation that you could understand if you were predisposed to do so, and that is it. I am always open to people who ask questions about what "I" have said.
However, if they are going to simply dump their context on what I say
and argue that context, that is another thing, and I have better things to do.
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall where God intends."
Michael Christ
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and Brimstone as a place
of eternal torture or punishment?
You can't even ask a question that is open and that doesn't manipulate
and place your context!
Can't you see that?
You just can't help yourself!
Do I accept hell and the lake of fire and brimstone as a place of
eternal torture and punishment? See the difference? Probably not,
because you don't want to see it!
Firstly, it is not about what I accept and don't accept. The Lord has
yet to speak to me about it. I need to hear what He says about the
meaning of those words, first and foremost. Jesus is the Lord. Until
then, I have nothing to say.
If I need to know, He will tell me, and if He doesn't, then it can
remain in the billions of other things He doesn't want me to know right now.
One thing that is an absolute certainty, though, is that through your constant and ceaseless antagonism and enmity against everything I write,
He has spoken to me hundreds of times, if not thousands.
By the way, in that department, ChristRosie the AI Bible King, has also
been beneficial in that regard.
Since I do not judge any man before the time, you are welcome to say
what you think you know, and I will read it. I am not a respecter of
persons, so I do not arbitrarily lock in a "toss out," even if it is of
an adversary, because the Lord has something to say through everyone and everything.
And that, in the Spirit, brings to me remembrance of this bible verse...
Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things:
to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Michael Christ
"Robert" wrote in message news:0001HW.2BBE71BC000E50A0305D0C38F@news.eternal-september.org...
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone as a place of eternal torture or punishment?
To rightly understand any Bible passage one needs to
view it in context with the whole Bible.
Some churches build a doctrine on a verse or two, but
ignore others that may expose their errors. Your above
is a good example.
The "lake of fire" as a place of punishment is definitely
real as a future event. But the result thereof will be the
"second death", not eternal torture is a life that never
ends.
Second death--> Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14,15, 21:8
"The wages of sin is 'death', but the gift of God is eternal
'life'." ~ Romans 6:23
Jesus says the two options are, "eternal life" or "perish".
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not perish but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
On Apr 4, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uulr3m$f155$3@dont-email.me>):
On 4/04/2024 4:27 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uul6dd$digl$1@dont-email.me>):
On 4/04/2024 1:08 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uukq99$4k0o$5@dont-email.me>):
On 3/04/2024 2:47 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and >>>>>>>> sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped his
hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared >>>>>>> to
Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be >>>>>>> thou
perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will >>>>>>> multiply
thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, >>>>>>> saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he >>>>>>> said,
Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but >>>>>>> whereis
the
lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt >>>>>>> offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham >>>>>>> built
an
altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and >>>>>>> laid
him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his >>>>>>> son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, >>>>>>> Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any >>>>>>> thing
unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not >>>>>>> withheld
thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a >>>>>>> ram
caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and
offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The Lord took me back to your context.......
What you don't see is that Abraham still had to make an offering for his >>>>>> sin. Let that sink in.
But of course, and he did it by Faith, and God knew his heart, and so God >>>>> honored him. ALL the men that God accounted perfect in the OT, sacrificed >>>>> by
faith of the Messiah to come. Job included. They all did it annually. And >>>>> God
provided the sacrifice, directly, in that situation, fulfilling what >>>>> Abraham
said, that the Lord would provide the sacrifice. See V13
Therefore, accounted righteousness (fearing God) does not equal
righteousness (in Christ Jesus/God). Therefore, obviously, there is a >>>>>> difference between Abraham's "accounted as righteousness" and "God's >>>>>> righteousness!"
Incorrect. God rewarded them all their life for their continuance in him. >>>>> Look at what Satan said about perfect Job. That he could not touch him >>>>> because of the hedge God had around Job. Plus, the righteousness that God >>>>> accounted to him was from God, not because of their deeds.Now matter how >>>>> you
slice and dice it, it all came from God to man.
No, you misconstrued the work of God as well as His word.
There, I have addressed 'your context' upon 'my context in my posting.' >>>>>
And to add to 'my context'............
1) Abraham still needed the Messiah to come; the Lord's (God's)
righteousness.
And that is why he dwelt in paradise until the resurrection of Jesus, as >>>>> did
all the other saints.
2) Fearing God is not enough; one must repent in dust and ashes for who >>>>>> they are.
Not by works under the saving Grace of Jesus, Jesus paid the price in >>>>> full.
Repentance is doing a 180 change, change in heart and actions.
Fear in such a case is reverence and total respect, knowing and
3) Job and Abraham were regarded as "perfect and righteous" because they >>>>>> were in their fear of God, but fear does not make a man choose God. >>>>>
recognizing
his total authority.
4) What makes a man choose God is choosing Him for who He is, and for >>>>>> that a man needs the Lord to reveal Himself personally.
In part yes, but it is also due to recognition that he alone is God and we
are not, also realizing the we can do nothing on ourselves, the we are >>>>> sinners in need of redemption.
5) If that does not occur, then that man isn't all that interested in >>>>>> God but more interested in himself.
Many ‘christians’ are that way also.
6) "God or self? That's your choice...1, 2, and 3!
One must, at all times, walk in the Spirit, never looking back, as did >>>>> Lots
wife, in order to fulfill that.
Paul raked Peter over the coals for the egregious errors he made, yet he >>>>> never once condemned him to hell, etc. for them and that is something for >>>>> you
to consider when propagating your personal doctrine of making no mistakes.
Jesus who is our High Priest in Heaven, before the throne of His Father, >>>>> is
also our advocate. Why, because he was tested in all points as we are >>>>> daily.
He knows what it is like to live as a man living in this world of evil. We
need a good lawyer there, and he fulfills the need perfectly.
If all christians never committed any sin there would be no need for an >>>>> advocate.
Michael Christ
I do appreciate your efforts in addressing some of what I said, but are >>>>> you
recanting that your self is god?
-). You know only too well that I would never say or mean that. It was >>>> very disingenuous of you to make that claim, and that is to put it very >>>> mildly. Why you even have to do that is a question you should ask yourself.
It is on your head that you would contextualise that about me.
As for your replies to what I said, you were given an explanation that >>>> you could understand if you were predisposed to do so, and that is it. I >>>> am always open to people who ask questions about what "I" have said.
However, if they are going to simply dump their context on what I say
and argue that context, that is another thing, and I have better things >>>> to do.
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
Michael Christ
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and Brimstone as a
place
of eternal torture or punishment?
You can't even ask a question that is open and that doesn't manipulate
and place your context!
It is totally open ended. It is also based on scripture.
Can't you see that?
You just can't help yourself!
Do I accept hell and the lake of fire and brimstone as a place of
eternal torture and punishment? See the difference? Probably not,
because you don't want to see it!
I didn’t judge you and ask if you were going there, just whether or not you accepted the truth of God regarding the reality of it.
Firstly, it is not about what I accept and don't accept. The Lord has
yet to speak to me about it. I need to hear what He says about the
meaning of those words, first and foremost. Jesus is the Lord. Until
then, I have nothing to say.
Scripture is the word of God to man. Why is that not acceptable to you?
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Mat 25:41, KJV)
See also Rev 20
If I need to know, He will tell me, and if He doesn't, then it can
remain in the billions of other things He doesn't want me to know right now. >>
One thing that is an absolute certainty, though, is that through your
constant and ceaseless antagonism and enmity against everything I write,
He has spoken to me hundreds of times, if not thousands.
Only when you err publicly against what you claim to be. And you know that.
By the way, in that department, ChristRosie the AI Bible King, has also
been beneficial in that regard.
Since I do not judge any man before the time, you are welcome to say
what you think you know, and I will read it. I am not a respecter of
persons, so I do not arbitrarily lock in a "toss out," even if it is of
an adversary, because the Lord has something to say through everyone and
everything.
And that, in the Spirit, brings to me remembrance of this bible verse...
Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things:
to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Robert wrote:<<>>
There is a heaven to gain and a place of eternal torment to shun.
And if you don't kiss Hank's ass, he'll kick the shit out of you. While
I'm counting my money and laughing. That's why I'm urging you to kiss
Hank's ass with me now, Robert, before it's too late.
Andrew wrote:
"Robert" wrote:
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone as a place of eternal torture or punishment?
To rightly understand any Bible passage one needs to
view it in context with the whole Bible.
Some churches build a doctrine on a verse or two, but
ignore others that may expose their errors. Your above
is a good example.
The "lake of fire" as a place of punishment is definitely
real as a future event. But the result thereof will be the
"second death", not eternal torture is a life that never
ends.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Mat 25:41, KJV)
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Mat 25:46, KJV)
*everlasting.* Gr. aionios, +Mat 18:8, Some go to great length to argue that the punishment threatened here by our Lord Jesus Christ is not truly everlasting or never-ending.
Those who argue this way do so in an effort to
bolster their mistaken notion of justice and their mistaken view of the character of God (+**Gen 18:25 note). Some quibble over the meaning of “eternal,” arguing from the fact that the word in Scripture is sometimes used in a finite sense (+Psa 24:9 note), and sometimes used in an infinite sense (Jhn 6:54 note). From this fact they justify asserting a limited sense to the duration of everlasting punishment.
The answer to this objection is simple.
Jesus spoke of two ages, this age, and the age to come. In the King
James Version these terms are translated “this world” and “the world to come” in Mat 12:32. When the word “eternal” is applied to things restricted to this age it is used in a finite or limited sense. When “eternal” has reference to things in “the age to come,” it is used in an infinite sense. Clearly God is eternal and will continue to exist in the age to come. Just as eternal life and eternal punishment pertain to and exist in the age to come, so “eternal” in reference to them is used in the infinite, never-ending sense.
+*Mat 18:8, Psa 52:5; Psa 92:7, **Isa 33:14;
Isa 38:18, +*Dan 12:2, *Mrk 3:29, 2Th 1:9, Heb 6:2, *Rev 14:11.
*punishment.* On the subject of eternal punishment, this greatest classic doctrinal text in the Bible establishes absolutely the doctrine of eternal punishment for the lost or unsaved. Eternal punishment for the lost is as everlasting as eternal life will be for the saved.
Unpleasant as this Bible
doctrine is to some who think otherwise, eternal punishment is eternal not merely in effect or result, but in duration.
If we can successfully argue
that “everlasting” in the phrase "everlasting punishment" does not mean “eternal” in the same sense as "eternal" in the phrase "eternal life" does, language has lost its ability to communicate accurate doctrine in the Bible.
But this is not the case at all. In this verse the words
“eternal” and “everlasting” translate the same Greek word. Elsewhere, this very same Greek word is used to describe God as eternal in Rom 16:26, Furthermore, grammatically, these words are used here in two connected parallel clauses in the same sentence, so the meaning for one must be the same as the meaning for the other. Don’t kid yourself by falling for false doctrine which argues otherwise. It is most dangerous to tamper with or diminish the warnings given by our Lord Jesus Christ.T567, *Mat 25:41, +**Mat 10:28 note. +*Mat 13:30; Mat 13:38; Mat 13:40; Mat 13:42; Mat 26:24, +*1Ch 28:9 (T555). +Job 8:13 (T573-1). +Job 27:8 (T572). +**Psa 9:17; *Psa 21:9, +*Dan 12:2, Mrk 3:29; *Mrk 9:43; *Mrk 9:44; *Mrk 9:46; *Mrk 9:48; *Mrk 9:49; Mrk 14:21, Luk 3:17; +Luk 9:24 (T554). +*Luk 16:26 (T390). **Jhn 3:36; *Jhn 5:29, Act 24:15, *Rom 2:5-9; Rom 11:22, **2Co 5:11; +2Co 6:2 (T553). Php 3:18-19, **2Th 1:7-9, Heb 10:31, +Jas 1:15 (T287). Jud 1:6-7; Jud 1:13, **Rev 14:9-11; Rev 19:20; **Rev 20:10; **Rev 20:15; +*Rev 21:8.
The above is taken from the notes of the UCRT Cross References.
“And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
and they
have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” (Rev 14:11, KJV)
This is a short compilation of the eternal never ending torment that Jesus warns us against. Just look at all the people in hell right now, near 6000 years worth of perished souls, all awaiting the final judgment. The second death, which as one can see from the above notes and referenced scripture is a certainty.
There is a heaven to gain and a place of eternal torment to shun.>
Second death--> Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14,15, 21:8
"The wages of sin is 'death', but
the gift of God is eternal 'life'."
~ Romans 6:23
Jesus says the two options are, "eternal life" or "perish".
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not --perish-- but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
"Robert" wrote in message news:0001HW.2BBEFD5E00023C6E30F56438F@news.eternal-september.org...
Andrew wrote:
"Robert" wrote:
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone as a place of eternal torture or punishment?
To rightly understand any Bible passage one needs to
view it in context with the whole Bible.
Some churches build a doctrine on a verse or two, but
ignore others that may expose their errors. Your above
is a good example.
The "lake of fire" as a place of punishment is definitely
real as a future event. But the result thereof will be the
"second death", not eternal torture is a life that never
ends.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Mat
25:41, KJV)
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Mat 25:46, KJV)
According to the Bible, the "everlasting punishment" will
be everlasting *death*. It is the "second death" which will
be eternal.
This is what the Bible says. The honest student will want
to know that, and not cling to a pet doctrine.
*everlasting.* Gr. aionios, +Mat 18:8, Some go to great length to argue that
the punishment threatened here by our Lord Jesus Christ is not truly everlasting or never-ending.
It is indeed "everlasting AND never ending".
It is everlasting death, with no future resurrection.
"The wages of sin is DEATH'" ~ Romans 6:23
And it will be by fire.
"Let the sinners be consumed out of the
earth, and let the wicked be no more."
Psalm 104:35
"The destruction of the transgressors and
of the sinners shall be together, and they
that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
Isaiah 1:28
"Fear not them which kill the body, but
are not able to kill the soul: but rather
fear Him which is able to destroy both
soul and body in hell."~Matthew 10:28
Jesus says that they are going to..--> be
*destroyed*.
Both body and soul ~ destroyed in hell.
According to Jesus. And Jesus is the
One who knows.
Those who argue this way do so in an effort to
bolster their mistaken notion of justice and their mistaken view of the character of God (+**Gen 18:25 note). Some quibble over the meaning of “eternal,” arguing from the fact that the word in Scripture is sometimes
used in a finite sense (+Psa 24:9 note), and sometimes used in an infinite sense (Jhn 6:54 note). From this fact they justify asserting a limited sense
to the duration of everlasting punishment.
The "everlasting punishment" is not "limited".
But it is *not* everlasting punishing.
The answer to this objection is simple.
It is sample when one sees it in context
with the whole Bible.
Jesus spoke of two ages, this age, and the age to come. In the King
James Version these terms are translated “this world” and “the world to
come” in Mat 12:32. When the word “eternal” is applied to things restricted to this age it is used in a finite or limited sense. When “eternal” has reference to things in “the age to come,” it is used in
an infinite sense. Clearly God is eternal and will continue to exist in the age to come. Just as eternal life and eternal punishment pertain to and exist
in the age to come, so “eternal” in reference to them is used in the infinite, never-ending sense.
That would be false reasoning ~ ignoring the principle
of examining an issue in context with the whole Bible.
+*Mat 18:8, Psa 52:5; Psa 92:7, **Isa 33:14;
Isa 38:18, +*Dan 12:2, *Mrk 3:29, 2Th 1:9, Heb 6:2, *Rev 14:11.
*punishment.* On the subject of eternal punishment, this greatest classic doctrinal text in the Bible establishes absolutely the doctrine of eternal punishment for the lost or unsaved. Eternal punishment for the lost is as everlasting as eternal life will be for the saved.
That is true. But it is eternal punishment, not eternal punishing.
The eternal punishment for the lost will be the *second death*
which will be eternal.
To say otherwise would be to contradict Jesus, which
we don't want to do . To turn away from Jesus would
be to turn away from truth.
Jesus said the two options are, "eternal life" or "perish".
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not PERISH but have everlasting life." ~ John 3:16
Jesus is correct. The commentary you cite ~ is incorrect.
Unpleasant as this Bible
doctrine is to some who think otherwise, eternal punishment is eternal not merely in effect or result, but in duration.
You are citing a commentary that ~ contradicts the words of Jesus.
If we can successfully argue
that “everlasting” in the phrase "everlasting punishment" does not mean “eternal” in the same sense as "eternal" in the phrase "eternal life" does, language has lost its ability to communicate accurate doctrine in the Bible.
It IS ''eternal''.punishment, not eternal punishing.
Otherwise one ignores the rest of the Bible.
But this is not the case at all. In this verse the words
“eternal” and “everlasting” translate the same Greek word. Elsewhere,
this very same Greek word is used to describe God as eternal in Rom 16:26, Furthermore, grammatically, these words are used here in two connected parallel clauses in the same sentence, so the meaning for one must be the same as the meaning for the other. Don’t kid yourself by falling for false
doctrine which argues otherwise. It is most dangerous to tamper with or diminish the warnings given by our Lord Jesus Christ.T567, *Mat 25:41, +**Mat
10:28 note. +*Mat 13:30; Mat 13:38; Mat 13:40; Mat 13:42; Mat 26:24, +*1Ch 28:9 (T555). +Job 8:13 (T573-1). +Job 27:8 (T572). +**Psa 9:17; *Psa 21:9, +*Dan 12:2, Mrk 3:29; *Mrk 9:43; *Mrk 9:44; *Mrk 9:46; *Mrk 9:48; *Mrk 9:49;
Mrk 14:21, Luk 3:17; +Luk 9:24 (T554). +*Luk 16:26 (T390). **Jhn 3:36; *Jhn 5:29, Act 24:15, *Rom 2:5-9; Rom 11:22, **2Co 5:11; +2Co 6:2 (T553). Php 3:18-19, **2Th 1:7-9, Heb 10:31, +Jas 1:15 (T287). Jud 1:6-7; Jud 1:13, **Rev
14:9-11; Rev 19:20; **Rev 20:10; **Rev 20:15; +*Rev 21:8.
The above is taken from the notes of the UCRT Cross References.
“And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
The "smoke" is here used as a symbol
of the effect or result of their torment.
Compare with Isaiah 34:10.
"the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from
generation to generation it shall lie waste;"
Isaiah 34:10.
and they
have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” (Rev 14:11, KJV)
Eventually they (the above) are ""devoured"" by fire from God. (Rev 20:9).
This is a short compilation of the eternal never ending torment that Jesus warns us against. Just look at all the people in hell right now, near 6000 years worth of perished souls, all awaiting the final judgment. The second death, which as one can see from the above notes and referenced scripture is
a certainty.
There is a heaven to gain and a place of eternal torment to shun.>
Second death--> Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14,15, 21:8
"The wages of sin is 'death', but
the gift of God is eternal 'life'."
Romans 6:23
Jesus says the two options are, "eternal life" or "perish".
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not --perish-- but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
Thank you Robert for your comments and your kind
attention to this issue.
Andrew wrote
"Robert" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Robert" wrote:
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone as a place of eternal torture or punishment?
To rightly understand any Bible passage one needs to
view it in context with the whole Bible.
Some churches build a doctrine on a verse or two, but
ignore others that may expose their errors. Your above
is a good example.
The "lake of fire" as a place of punishment is definitely
real as a future event. But the result thereof will be the
"second death", not eternal torture in a life that never
ends.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye >> > cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” >> > (Mat 25:41, KJV)
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous >> > into life eternal.” (Mat 25:46, KJV)
According to the Bible, the "everlasting punishment" will
be everlasting *death*. It is the "second death" which will
be eternal.
This is what the Bible says. The honest student will want
to know that, and not cling to a pet doctrine.
Andrew. Think a minute. When Adam committed sin, what was the curse of that sin?
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Gen 2:17, KJV)
What part of him died? For in the day that he eats the fruit he surely, beyond certainty, die.
Is not everyone since, dead to God that lives in sin? Adam was created pure and without sin, But when he willfully sinned, he lost his relationship with God. From then on he like any man before the resurrection of Jesus, had to offer up a sin sacrifice in order to be forgiven.
The was a price that needed
to be paid for sin in order to be put into a right relationship with God.
Those that did not sacrifice to the Heavenly Father would die in their sinful state.
To hell they would go, a holding place for all unforgiven sinners, in
that place of suffering and great heat, in the pit of the deep, as described in Job there they suffer while awaiting the resurrection of all souls for the white throne judgment spoken of in the book of the revelation. From there they are tossed into the lake of fire and brimstone for as long as eternity exists. Tortured according to the level of their sins.
God is a Just God. Jesus paid severely for the sins of mankind, all mankind, and each man has had at least one chance to acknowledge God and believe in him, so to each according to their actions. What justice would it be to just cease to exist
as the JW would have it? Why does the blood of a murdered man
cry out to God for a serving of justice on the offender?
Take the case of a man like Hitler, at whose word many were tortured, killed, used as human ginny pigs. (SP). Millions at his hands, and then the lives lost in the war because of him. Is it justice to just die and cease to have any type of existence?
What about child abusers, rapists, so on and so forth.
Is it just that they pay nothing for the pain they extracted?
And did so
willingly and without remorse? Yes, they could be forgiven by God if they were sincere and repented, but God knows the thoughts and intents of our hearts, and whether of not they are trying to run a con job on God.
You see, everyone whose name is not in the book of life will go there.
Their Spirit and Soul which exists forever,
will dwell either in heaven or hell.
And we certainly all have enough testimonies of many who died and went to either heaven or hell and then were returned to life in their original body, with tales of people they have seen in both places, in the spirit, and not in the flesh, which we will not have until our resurrection and transformation of out bodies, so that we will be like Jesus, in his likeness, forever and ever, Even King Saul when he asked to woman to raise Samuel from the dead, he asked her what he was dressed like, and he was in his usual identifying garb, thus assuring Saul that it was the correct spirit she called up for the dead.
We also have the stories from Jesus of those who have long since been dead, from Paradise and from hell, and the were in spirit mode, each of the parties involved, not in the flesh as that had been buried in the ground and long since turned to dust.
Even Paul taught that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. What is it that left and went to be with Jesus? Not the Body, since that has not yet been redeemed and will not until the day of our resurrection.
I can assure you, with the life style I was living, if there were no God of justice, I would have continued to live as I pleased without consideration of others, unless they benefitted me in some way. What’s the point of trying to live as a goodie, goodie, if I just ceased to exist in the end like any other animal?
He who dies with the most toys wins, as it were. Yeah, I have
gotten flack for saying that with full honesty, but why lie about it. Now I have met Jesus, and I believe in him, and he has forgiven me for all my sins, and he gave me peace that passes all human understanding. I am grateful for that, and nowhere near as grateful as I would like to me, as he has paid full ransom for me and I could never return that favor in this world.
*everlasting.* Gr. aionios, +Mat 18:8, Some go to great length to argue that
the punishment threatened here by our Lord Jesus Christ is not truly
everlasting or never-ending.
It is indeed "everlasting AND never ending".
It is everlasting death, with no future resurrection.
"The wages of sin is DEATH'" ~ Romans 6:23
And it will be by fire.
"Let the sinners be consumed out of the
earth, and let the wicked be no more."
Psalm 104:35
Out of ’this’ world, get it? Is not the believer a citizen of two world?
"The destruction of the transgressors and
of the sinners shall be together, and they
that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
Isaiah 1:28
"Fear not them which kill the body, but
are not able to kill the soul: but rather
fear Him which is able to destroy both
soul and body in hell."~Matthew 10:28
Jesus says that they are going to..--> be
*destroyed*.
Both body and soul ~ destroyed in hell.
According to Jesus; and Jesus is the One
who knows.
destroy. Gr. apollumi, +Mat 2:13, This Greek word never means annihilate, but rather means to render unsuitable for the use originally intended. A "lost" coin is not annihilated; neither are the "lost sheep of the house of Israel," nor those Jesus came to seek and to save (Mat 18:11). In this very chapter (Mat 10:39), the loss or gain of psychē is spoken of as occurring in this present life, an impossibility if apollumi meansannihilation. Note the order of statement in Luk 12:5, Follow carefully Paul’s logic in 1Co 15:16-18, and note that "perished" in verse 18 (1Co 15:18) is apollumi, the same word as here. Paul argues that if Christ has not truly been raised from the dead, then those that are asleep in Christ are perished; since Christ is raised from the dead, the dead in Christ are not perished. Nor are the dead who are not in Christ annihilated, for they shall yet be resurrected and judged (Jhn 5:28-29). To suggest that all persons who have died are non-existent until the resurrection, but are kept "alive" in God’s memory (+*Job 14:13 x), has not a shred of Biblical evidence to support it, and is contrary to Biblical teaching, for then upon resurrection it would not be the same person (note Christ’s own emphatic statement of his personal bodily resurrection identity, Luk 24:39), but a reconstituted copy of the person. Since only bodies are resurrected, not spirits or souls, the whole materialist viewpoint is fallacious in positing a break in the continuity of conscious existence of the person. The materialist viewpoint was held even more consistently by the Sadducees, a viewpoint utterly demolished by our Lord’s answer to them in Mat 22:23-32. Mat 10:6 g, Mat 10:39, Mat 9:17; Mat 18:11, Job 19:10, Ecc 5:6, +*Isa 26:14; +*Isa 38:18; *Isa 47:14, Jer 4:20, +*Ezk 18:4 note, **Ezk 18:20 note. Hos 13:9-10, +Luk 9:24; Luk 10:15; Luk 19:10 g. %1Co 5:5; 1Co 15:16-18; Again from UCRT
Jesus said,
“But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:” (Mrk 3:29, KJV)
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Rev 20:15, KJV)
Mat 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
God is not and never has been at odds with himself. So how can you resolve these things which are obviously true.
Those who argue this way do so in an effort to
bolster their mistaken notion of justice and their mistaken view of the
character of God (+**Gen 18:25 note). Some quibble over the meaning of
“eternal,” arguing from the fact that the word in Scripture is sometimes
used in a finite sense (+Psa 24:9 note), and sometimes used in an infinite >> > sense (Jhn 6:54 note). From this fact they justify asserting a limited sense
to the duration of everlasting punishment.
The "everlasting punishment" is not "limited".
But it is *not* everlasting punishing.
And where, oh where is there any supporting scripture for that?
Is not God a Just God?
The answer to this objection is simple.
It is sample when one sees it in context
with the whole Bible.
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of Law, they paid the price right then and there.
For it was the LAW.
The people signed on to the law, knowing the blessings and curses of the law. And if they persisted in sinning them more previous curses fell upon them.
The moment they repented they were made whole.
Now some people think that God has gone soft, and is lax regarding punishment,
not realizing that it is being stored up against them in the end.
Jesus spoke of two ages, this age, and the age to come. In the King
James Version these terms are translated “this world” and “the world >> > to
come” in Mat 12:32. When the word “eternal” is applied to things
restricted to this age it is used in a finite or limited sense. When
“eternal” has reference to things in “the age to come,” it is used >> > in
an infinite sense. Clearly God is eternal and will continue to exist in the
age to come. Just as eternal life and eternal punishment pertain to and
exist
in the age to come, so “eternal” in reference to them is used in the >> > infinite, never-ending sense.
That would be false reasoning ~ ignoring the principle
of examining an issue in context with the whole Bible.
Was not the whole bible referenced here? Why didn’t you take advantage of the scriptures given?
+*Mat 18:8, Psa 52:5; Psa 92:7, **Isa 33:14;
Isa 38:18, +*Dan 12:2, *Mrk 3:29, 2Th 1:9, Heb 6:2, *Rev 14:11.
*punishment.* On the subject of eternal punishment, this greatest classic >> > doctrinal text in the Bible establishes absolutely the doctrine of eternal >> > punishment for the lost or unsaved. Eternal punishment for the lost is as >> > everlasting as eternal life will be for the saved.
That is true. But it is eternal punishment, not eternal punishing.
The eternal punishment for the lost will be the *second death*
which will be eternal.
To say otherwise would be to contradict Jesus, which
we don't want to do . To turn away from Jesus would
be to turn away from truth.
I pointed out to you again in this reply about the everlasting punishment that the sinners will receive, just like the fallen angels for whom the Lake of fire was designed.
Jesus said the two options are, "eternal life" or "perish".
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not PERISH but have everlasting life." ~ John 3:16
Jesus is correct. The commentary you cite ~ is incorrect.
Does that include the words Jesus spoke of everlasting torment and punishment too?
I can tell you that if people believed as you claim too, and you came to me a sinner who was having extreme fun living a life of self satisfaction and was getting my way in everything and increasing in sin as long as I can do it and get away with it, then why wait for pie in the sky when I can get all I want here? Any fool can see what happens when there is no justice. Just look at the crimes today, less police, no bail releases, no holding of anyone longer than a day. People walking into a business and grabbing whatever suits their fancy, and it is getting worse daily. And then the government wants to take all your guns from you so that you cannot defend your home, your wife, daughters or sons?
Yeah, that is what happens with no justice no peace.
Unpleasant as this Bible
doctrine is to some who think otherwise, eternal punishment is eternal not >> > merely in effect or result, but in duration.
You are citing a commentary that ~ contradicts the words of Jesus.
Not at all, otherwise why would Jesus come and die for your sins, if there is no punishment other than just disappearing/?
Like WHOOPIE! PARTAAAA ON DUDE!
If we can successfully argue
that “everlasting” in the phrase "everlasting punishment" does not mean
“eternal” in the same sense as "eternal" in the phrase "eternal life" >> > does, language has lost its ability to communicate accurate doctrine in the
Bible.
It IS ''eternal''.punishment, not eternal punishing.
Otherwise one ignores the rest of the Bible.
But this is not the case at all. In this verse the words
“eternal” and “everlasting” translate the same Greek word.
Elsewhere,
this very same Greek word is used to describe God as eternal in Rom 16:26, >> > Furthermore, grammatically, these words are used here in two connected
parallel clauses in the same sentence, so the meaning for one must be the >> > same as the meaning for the other. Don’t kid yourself by falling for false
doctrine which argues otherwise. It is most dangerous to tamper with or
diminish the warnings given by our Lord Jesus Christ.T567, *Mat 25:41,
+**Mat
10:28 note. +*Mat 13:30; Mat 13:38; Mat 13:40; Mat 13:42; Mat 26:24, +*1Ch >> > 28:9 (T555). +Job 8:13 (T573-1). +Job 27:8 (T572). +**Psa 9:17; *Psa 21:9, >> > +*Dan 12:2, Mrk 3:29; *Mrk 9:43; *Mrk 9:44; *Mrk 9:46; *Mrk 9:48; *Mrk 9:49;
Mrk 14:21, Luk 3:17; +Luk 9:24 (T554). +*Luk 16:26 (T390). **Jhn 3:36; *Jhn
5:29, Act 24:15, *Rom 2:5-9; Rom 11:22, **2Co 5:11; +2Co 6:2 (T553). Php >> > 3:18-19, **2Th 1:7-9, Heb 10:31, +Jas 1:15 (T287). Jud 1:6-7; Jud 1:13,
**Rev
14:9-11; Rev 19:20; **Rev 20:10; **Rev 20:15; +*Rev 21:8.
The above is taken from the notes of the UCRT Cross References.
“And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
The "smoke" is here used as a symbol
of the effect or result of their torment.
Where there is smoke there is fire
Compare with Isaiah 34:10.
"the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from
generation to generation it shall lie waste;"
Isaiah 34:10.
And that is going on at this moment in various eastern states with underground coal fires that cannot be put out.
and they
have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” (Rev 14:11, KJV)
Eventually they (the above) are ""devoured"" by fire from God. (Rev 20:9).
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (Rev 20:10, KJV)
Where everyone that took the mark of The beast was also cast alive into that fire.
Then at the final judgment day,
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Rev 20:15, KJV)
With the same outcome as those who were tossed into that Lake before.
This is a short compilation of the eternal never ending torment that Jesus >> > warns us against. Just look at all the people in hell right now, near 6000 >> > years worth of perished souls, all awaiting the final judgment. The second >> > death, which as one can see from the above notes and referenced scripture is
a certainty.
There is a heaven to gain and a place of eternal torment to shun.>
Second death--> Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14,15, 21:8
"The wages of sin is 'death', but
the gift of God is eternal 'life'."
Romans 6:23
Jesus says the two options are, "eternal life" or "perish".
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only
begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not --perish-- but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
Thank you Robert for your comments and your kind
attention to this issue.
I have no clue whose ideas you are following here,
What religious affiliation you are connected with,
but this false teaching you present is truly a
distortion of Scripture,
and the Justice of God I pray that God will
open your eyes fully,
"Robert" wrote in message news:0001HW.2BBFE23F0015D52A306CDC38F@news.eternal-september.org...
Andrew wrote
"Robert" wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Robert" wrote:
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone as a place of eternal torture or punishment?
To rightly understand any Bible passage one needs to
view it in context with the whole Bible.
Some churches build a doctrine on a verse or two, but
ignore others that may expose their errors. Your above
is a good example.
The "lake of fire" as a place of punishment is definitely
real as a future event. But the result thereof will be the
"second death", not eternal torture in a life that never
ends.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
(Mat 25:41, KJV)
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous
into life eternal.” (Mat 25:46, KJV)
According to the Bible, the "everlasting punishment" will
be everlasting *death*. It is the "second death" which will
be eternal.
This is what the Bible says. The honest student will want
to know that, and not cling to a pet doctrine.
Andrew. Think a minute. When Adam committed sin, what was the curse of that sin?
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Gen 2:17, KJV)
What part of him died? For in the day that he eats the fruit he surely, beyond certainty, die.
Is not everyone since, dead to God that lives in sin? Adam was created pure and without sin, But when he willfully sinned, he lost his relationship with
God. From then on he like any man before the resurrection of Jesus, had to offer up a sin sacrifice in order to be forgiven.
No. You believe in forgiveness by works. Which is neither biblical nor Christian. The sacrificial system was given by God as an illustration to
show us how God deals with sin. The animal sacrifices were types that
pointed to the sacrifice of Jesus who was the antitype, by whose merits
alone is there forgiveness and full salvation.
Before the cross they looked forward to the Savior. After the cross we
look back. Jesus is the center of the whole plan of redemption which
covers all dispensations.
The was a price that needed
to be paid for sin in order to be put into a right relationship with God.
In the plan of salvation, the price is paid by ~ Jesus.
Those that did not sacrifice to the Heavenly Father would die in their sinful state.
Salvation by 'works' again.
On 5/04/2024 2:04 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 4, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uulr3m$f155$3@dont-email.me>):
On 4/04/2024 4:27 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uul6dd$digl$1@dont-email.me>):
On 4/04/2024 1:08 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uukq99$4k0o$5@dont-email.me>):
On 3/04/2024 2:47 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 2, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uugom6$2ukmh$4@dont-email.me>):
You will note that Abraham chose to obey God (to choose God) and
sacrifice Isaac on an altar. And since he was going to, God stopped
his
hand.
“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared
to
Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and
be
thou
perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will
multiply
thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him,
saying,†(Gen 17:1-3, KJV)
In regards to the sacrifice of Isaac it is written,...
Gen 22:7-16 (KJV)
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he
said,
Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but
whereis
the
lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a
burnt
offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham
built
an
altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and
laid
him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay
his
son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said,
Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any
thing
unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not
withheld
thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behindhim a
ram
caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram,
and
offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The Lord took me back to your context.......
What you don't see is that Abraham still had to make an offering for
his
sin. Let that sink in.
But of course, and he did it by Faith, and God knew his heart, and so
God
honored him. ALL the men that God accounted perfect in the OT, sacrificed
by
faith of the Messiah to come. Job included. They all did it annually.
And
God
provided the sacrifice, directly, in that situation, fulfilling what
Abraham
said, that the Lord would provide the sacrifice. See V13
Therefore, accounted righteousness (fearing God) does not equal righteousness (in Christ Jesus/God). Therefore, obviously, there is a
difference between Abraham's "accounted as righteousness" and "God's
righteousness!"
Incorrect. God rewarded them all their life for their continuance in
him.
Look at what Satan said about perfect Job. That he could not touch him
because of the hedge God had around Job. Plus, the righteousness that
God
accounted to him was from God, not because of their deeds.Now matter how
you
slice and dice it, it all came from God to man.
There, I have addressed 'your context' upon 'my context in my posting.'
No, you misconstrued the work of God as well as His word.
And to add to 'my context'............
1) Abraham still needed the Messiah to come; the Lord's (God's) righteousness.
And that is why he dwelt in paradise until the resurrection of Jesus, as
did
all the other saints.
2) Fearing God is not enough; one must repent in dust and ashes for who
they are.
Not by works under the saving Grace of Jesus, Jesus paid the price in
full.
Repentance is doing a 180 change, change in heart and actions.
3) Job and Abraham were regarded as "perfect and righteous" because
they
were in their fear of God, but fear does not make a man choose God.
Fear in such a case is reverence and total respect, knowing and recognizing
his total authority.
4) What makes a man choose God is choosing Him for who He is, and for
that a man needs the Lord to reveal Himself personally.
In part yes, but it is also due to recognition that he alone is God and
we
are not, also realizing the we can do nothing on ourselves, the we are
sinners in need of redemption.
5) If that does not occur, then that man isn't all that interested in
God but more interested in himself.
Many ‘christians’ are that way also.
6) "God or self? That's your choice...1, 2, and 3!
One must, at all times, walk in the Spirit, never looking back, as did
Lots
wife, in order to fulfill that.
Paul raked Peter over the coals for the egregious errors he made, yet he
never once condemned him to hell, etc. for them and that is something
for
you
to consider when propagating your personal doctrine of making no mistakes.
Jesus who is our High Priest in Heaven, before the throne of His Father,
is
also our advocate. Why, because he was tested in all points as we are
daily.
He knows what it is like to live as a man living in this world of evil.
We
need a good lawyer there, and he fulfills the need perfectly.
If all christians never committed any sin there would be no need for an
advocate.
Michael Christ
I do appreciate your efforts in addressing some of what I said, but are
you
recanting that your self is god?
-). You know only too well that I would never say or mean that. It wasvery disingenuous of you to make that claim, and that is to put it very
mildly. Why you even have to do that is a question you should ask yourself.
It is on your head that you would contextualise that about me.
As for your replies to what I said, you were given an explanation that
you could understand if you were predisposed to do so, and that is it. I
am always open to people who ask questions about what "I" have said.
However, if they are going to simply dump their context on what I say and argue that context, that is another thing, and I have better things
to do.
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall where God intends."
Michael Christ
Robert wrote:
Do you accept the truth of Hell and the Lake of Fire and Brimstone as a place
of eternal torture or punishment?
Michael Christ wrote:
You can't even ask a question that is open and that doesn't manipulate and place your context!
Robert wrote:
It is totally open ended. It is also based on scripture.
Firstly, you always project scripture is your "base" but you are your
"base." The same with ChristAIRosie.
Don't believe me? Look at what you said again, "also."
What you should have said was, "It is totally open ended. It is based on scripture."
I am not blind.
Secondly, you were told, you don't want to see it...
This is an open ended question:
Do I accept hell and the lake of fire and brimstone as a place of
eternal torture and punishment?
Not, do I accept your truth, which is underneath your question.
I am not blind.
Can't you see that?
You just can't help yourself!
Do I accept hell and the lake of fire and brimstone as a place of
eternal torture and punishment? See the difference? Probably not,
because you don't want to see it!
Robert wrote:
I didn’t judge you and ask if you were going there, just whether or not you
accepted the truth of God regarding the reality of it.
"Your" truth of God regarding the reality of it, Robbo. :-).
Firstly, it is not about what I accept and don't accept. The Lord has
yet to speak to me about it. I need to hear what He says about the meaning of those words, first and foremost. Jesus is the Lord. Until then, I have nothing to say.
Scripture is the word of God to man. Why is that not acceptable to you?
I explained, Robert.
Not your context.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Mat
25:41, KJV)
See also Rev 20
Not my context.
If I need to know, He will tell me, and if He doesn't, then it can
remain in the billions of other things He doesn't want me to know right now.
One thing that is an absolute certainty, though, is that through your constant and ceaseless antagonism and enmity against everything I write, He has spoken to me hundreds of times, if not thousands.
Only when you err publicly against what you claim to be. And you know that.
Your context is not what I am.
Michael Christ wrote:
By the way, in that department, ChristRosie the AI Bible King, has also been beneficial in that regard.
Since I do not judge any man before the time, you are welcome to say
what you think you know, and I will read it. I am not a respecter of persons, so I do not arbitrarily lock in a "toss out," even if it is of an adversary, because the Lord has something to say through everyone and everything.
And that, in the Spirit, brings to me remembrance of this bible verse...
Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things:
to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
And you continue to ignore (toss) what I say and dump your context on me.
But, I go on regardless, and are given increase, "One thing that is an absolute certainty, though, is that through your constant and ceaseless antagonism and enmity against everything I write, He has spoken to me hundreds of times, if not thousands."
Michael Christ
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of Law,
they paid
the price right then and there.
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of Law,
they paid the price right then and there.
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Robert <robert@no.way>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 05:06:41PM GMT+00:00
Subject: God or self? That's your choice...2!
It is Gods, not mine, not yours, Gods.
You can play all the games you wish to, but in the end it is Gods way,
not
yours.
Ask him what David's attitude towards Scripture was:
https://t.ly/dhzWN
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
They wisely feared the Lord, like Abel did, and gave Him reverence,
like Job in the beginning, but it was not enough!
Andrew wrote:
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
Amen, amen, and amen.
Spot on.
This is what happens when you make the Lord Jesus Christ a
pseudo-created being, Robert. It means you don't see Him for who He
truly is—the only true salvation, God—nothing of ourselves.
The only thing we can be before God is dust and ashes.
Exactly.
(KJV)
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent
in dust and ashes.
All these years of reading and studying your Bible, you still have
not put it down (your theology) and gazed and seen into His being.
Instead, you have merely worshipped yourself with your bible.
You've been told and shown, told and shown, told and shown, but you
have resisted the will of the Lord all the way through.
I am genuinely sorry for you that you would spend your life in vain
telling yourself what you are not. It is the same with Duane Sheriff, ChristRose et al.
Interesting.
(snip)
Michael Christ
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
To give you a current understanding that when you murder someone you will pay a price per the law of humanity by Jail or death. But not the eternal price.
In the OT the Israelites paid an immediate price per the Law, and the curses included for sinning, a price to be paid in this life, which is why a lot of people considered God a harsh God. But the curses for those sins were on the Israelites not on the Gentiles, for they were not under the Law covenant.
Jesus fulfilled the Law covenant and thus the curse of the Law was done away with, as far as God raining down immediate judgments in this life for sins committed. The laws broken still had eternal consequences for all for which the atonement of blood was never applied. However, when it was and the people or person, repented their sin curse was forgiven an immediately lifted.
That no one here was aware of that is surprising to me, as they all claim to know it all and be correct in all things Godly.
They wisely feared the Lord, like Abel did, and gave Him reverence,
like Job in the beginning, but it was not enough!
Andrew wrote:
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
Amen, amen, and amen.
Spot on.
See the above? And then ask yourself when you sin do you see and feel the immediate judgment of God? If not why not?
By faith, as the scripture says, and also have I referenced here many times, their annual sin sacrifice covered their sins for the past year, and protected them for the following year should they die before the annual scarce, and that was via the blood of animals, and by Faith in God of the Lamb of God to come to shed the once for all atonement. And atonement that if the person renounced that there was or is no second sacrifice that can be made.
This is what happens when you make the Lord Jesus Christ a
pseudo-created being, Robert. It means you don't see Him for who He
truly is—the only true salvation, God—nothing of ourselves.
The only thing we can be before God is dust and ashes.
Exactly.
(KJV)
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent
in dust and ashes.
All these years of reading and studying your Bible, you still have
not put it down (your theology) and gazed and seen into His being.
Instead, you have merely worshipped yourself with your bible.
You've been told and shown, told and shown, told and shown, but you
have resisted the will of the Lord all the way through.
I am genuinely sorry for you that you would spend your life in vain
telling yourself what you are not. It is the same with Duane Sheriff,
ChristRose et al.
Interesting.
Be not deceived. >>
(snip)
Michael Christ
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
Michael Christ
To give you a current understanding that when you murder someone you will pay
a price per the law of humanity by Jail or death. But not the eternal price.
In the OT the Israelites paid an immediate price per the Law, and the curses
included for sinning, a price to be paid in this life, which is why a lot of
people considered God a harsh God. But the curses for those sins were on the
Israelites not on the Gentiles, for they were not under the Law covenant.
Jesus fulfilled the Law covenant and thus the curse of the Law was done away
with, as far as God raining down immediate judgments in this life for sins committed. The laws broken still had eternal consequences for all for which the atonement of blood was never applied. However, when it was and the people
or person, repented their sin curse was forgiven an immediately lifted.
That no one here was aware of that is surprising to me, as they all claim to
know it all and be correct in all things Godly.
They wisely feared the Lord, like Abel did, and gave Him reverence, like Job in the beginning, but it was not enough!
Andrew wrote:
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
Amen, amen, and amen.
Spot on.
See the above? And then ask yourself when you sin do you see and feel the immediate judgment of God? If not why not?
By faith, as the scripture says, and also have I referenced here many times,
their annual sin sacrifice covered their sins for the past year, and protected them for the following year should they die before the annual scarce, and that was via the blood of animals, and by Faith in God of the Lamb of God to come to shed the once for all atonement. And atonement that if
the person renounced that there was or is no second sacrifice that can be made.
This is what happens when you make the Lord Jesus Christ a pseudo-created being, Robert. It means you don't see Him for who He truly is—the only true salvation, God—nothing of ourselves.
The only thing we can be before God is dust and ashes.
Exactly.
(KJV)
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent
in dust and ashes.
All these years of reading and studying your Bible, you still have
not put it down (your theology) and gazed and seen into His being. Instead, you have merely worshipped yourself with your bible.
You've been told and shown, told and shown, told and shown, but you have resisted the will of the Lord all the way through.
I am genuinely sorry for you that you would spend your life in vain telling yourself what you are not. It is the same with Duane Sheriff, ChristRose et al.
Interesting.
Be not deceived. >>
(snip)
Michael Christ
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
Michael Christ wrote:
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it then you would have understood in the first place.
And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased my previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You're a self-righteous, 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be.
Michael Christ
To give you a current understanding that when you murder someone you will
pay
a price per the law of humanity by Jail or death. But not the eternal price.
In the OT the Israelites paid an immediate price per the Law, and the curses
included for sinning, a price to be paid in this life, which is why a lot
of
people considered God a harsh God. But the curses for those sins were on
the
Israelites not on the Gentiles, for they were not under the Law covenant.
Jesus fulfilled the Law covenant and thus the curse of the Law was done away
with, as far as God raining down immediate judgments in this life for sins
committed. The laws broken still had eternal consequences for all for which
the atonement of blood was never applied. However, when it was and the people
or person, repented their sin curse was forgiven an immediately lifted.
That no one here was aware of that is surprising to me, as they all claim
to
know it all and be correct in all things Godly.
They wisely feared the Lord, like Abel did, and gave Him reverence, like Job in the beginning, but it was not enough!
Andrew wrote:
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
Amen, amen, and amen.
Spot on.
See the above? And then ask yourself when you sin do you see and feel the
immediate judgment of God? If not why not?
By faith, as the scripture says, and also have I referenced here many times,
their annual sin sacrifice covered their sins for the past year, and protected them for the following year should they die before the annual scarce, and that was via the blood of animals, and by Faith in God of the
Lamb of God to come to shed the once for all atonement. And atonement that
if
the person renounced that there was or is no second sacrifice that can be
made.
This is what happens when you make the Lord Jesus Christ a pseudo-created being, Robert. It means you don't see Him for who He truly is—the only true salvation, God—nothing of ourselves.
The only thing we can be before God is dust and ashes.
Exactly.
(KJV)
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
All these years of reading and studying your Bible, you still have not put it down (your theology) and gazed and seen into His being. Instead, you have merely worshipped yourself with your bible.
You've been told and shown, told and shown, told and shown, but you have resisted the will of the Lord all the way through.
I am genuinely sorry for you that you would spend your life in vain telling yourself what you are not. It is the same with Duane Sheriff,
ChristRose et al.
Interesting.
Be not deceived. >>
(snip)
Michael Christ
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it then you would have understood in the first place.
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased my previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
To give you a current understanding that when you murder someone you will >>> pay
a price per the law of humanity by Jail or death. But not the eternal price.
In the OT the Israelites paid an immediate price per the Law, and the curses
included for sinning, a price to be paid in this life, which is why a lot of
people considered God a harsh God. But the curses for those sins were on the
Israelites not on the Gentiles, for they were not under the Law covenant. >>>
Jesus fulfilled the Law covenant and thus the curse of the Law was done away
with, as far as God raining down immediate judgments in this life for sins >>> committed. The laws broken still had eternal consequences for all for which >>> the atonement of blood was never applied. However, when it was and the
people
or person, repented their sin curse was forgiven an immediately lifted.
That no one here was aware of that is surprising to me, as they all claim to
know it all and be correct in all things Godly.
They wisely feared the Lord, like Abel did, and gave Him reverence,
like Job in the beginning, but it was not enough!
Andrew wrote:
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
Amen, amen, and amen.
Spot on.
See the above? And then ask yourself when you sin do you see and feel the >>> immediate judgment of God? If not why not?
By faith, as the scripture says, and also have I referenced here many times,
their annual sin sacrifice covered their sins for the past year, and
protected them for the following year should they die before the annual
scarce, and that was via the blood of animals, and by Faith in God of the >>> Lamb of God to come to shed the once for all atonement. And atonement that >>> if
the person renounced that there was or is no second sacrifice that can be >>> made.
This is what happens when you make the Lord Jesus Christ a
pseudo-created being, Robert. It means you don't see Him for who He
truly is—the only true salvation, God—nothing of ourselves.
The only thing we can be before God is dust and ashes.
Exactly.
(KJV)
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent
in dust and ashes.
All these years of reading and studying your Bible, you still have
not put it down (your theology) and gazed and seen into His being.
Instead, you have merely worshipped yourself with your bible.
You've been told and shown, told and shown, told and shown, but you
have resisted the will of the Lord all the way through.
I am genuinely sorry for you that you would spend your life in vain
telling yourself what you are not. It is the same with Duane Sheriff, >>>>> ChristRose et al.
Interesting.
Be not deceived. >>
(snip)
Michael Christ
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of >>>>>>>>> Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why? >>
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper >>>> context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it then >>> you would have understood in the first place.
And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased my >>> previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference
between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
You're a self-righteous, 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be.
Michael Christ
To give you a current understanding that when you murder someone you will >>>>> pay
a price per the law of humanity by Jail or death. But not the eternal >>>>> price.
In the OT the Israelites paid an immediate price per the Law, and the >>>>> curses
included for sinning, a price to be paid in this life, which is why a lot >>>>> of
people considered God a harsh God. But the curses for those sins were on >>>>> the
Israelites not on the Gentiles, for they were not under the Law covenant. >>>>>
Jesus fulfilled the Law covenant and thus the curse of the Law was done >>>>> away
with, as far as God raining down immediate judgments in this life for sins
committed. The laws broken still had eternal consequences for all for >>>>> which
the atonement of blood was never applied. However, when it was and the >>>>> people
or person, repented their sin curse was forgiven an immediately lifted. >>>>>
That no one here was aware of that is surprising to me, as they all claim >>>>> to
know it all and be correct in all things Godly.
They wisely feared the Lord, like Abel did, and gave Him reverence, >>>>>>> like Job in the beginning, but it was not enough!
Andrew wrote:
They did not! It can only be paid by the atoning sacrifice
of Jesus. They looked forward to the promised Savior;
we look back.
Amen, amen, and amen.
Spot on.
See the above? And then ask yourself when you sin do you see and feel the >>>>> immediate judgment of God? If not why not?
By faith, as the scripture says, and also have I referenced here many >>>>> times,
their annual sin sacrifice covered their sins for the past year, and >>>>> protected them for the following year should they die before the annual >>>>> scarce, and that was via the blood of animals, and by Faith in God of the >>>>> Lamb of God to come to shed the once for all atonement. And atonement that
if
the person renounced that there was or is no second sacrifice that can be >>>>> made.
This is what happens when you make the Lord Jesus Christ a
pseudo-created being, Robert. It means you don't see Him for who He >>>>>>> truly is—the only true salvation, God—nothing of ourselves.
The only thing we can be before God is dust and ashes.
Exactly.
(KJV)
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now >>>>>>> mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent >>>>>>> in dust and ashes.
All these years of reading and studying your Bible, you still have >>>>>>> not put it down (your theology) and gazed and seen into His being. >>>>>>> Instead, you have merely worshipped yourself with your bible.
You've been told and shown, told and shown, told and shown, but you >>>>>>> have resisted the will of the Lord all the way through.
I am genuinely sorry for you that you would spend your life in vain >>>>>>> telling yourself what you are not. It is the same with Duane Sheriff, >>>>>>> ChristRose et al.
Interesting.
Be not deceived. >>
(snip)
Michael Christ
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
Michael Christ wrote:
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it then
you would have understood in the first place.
Michael Christ wrote:
And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
Michael Christ wrote:
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.
Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said
and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said.
There are consequences for that, and that is why you are where you are.
How appropriate is it for you to be on my thread, "God or self? That's
your choice." It is clear what you choose.
Michael Christ
PS: Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive His revelation?
Though, you absolutely do not deserve anything after your wicked reply.
But then, none of us deserve anything anyway.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of >>>>>>>>>>> Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
Michael Christ wrote:
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper >>>>>> context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it then
you would have understood in the first place.
Michael Christ wrote:
And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference >>>> between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.
Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said
and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said.
When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you fell all over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the Archangel Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies (supposedly students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with his false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet, That your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and even you saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He too, hated me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false understandings given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend you in the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend. You can share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it won’t last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their knee to you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that you can be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as His Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I would love to be here then, as well.
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
There are consequences for that, and that is why you are where you are.
How appropriate is it for you to be on my thread, "God or self? That's
your choice." It is clear what you choose.
Michael Christ
PS: Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive His revelation?
Though, you absolutely do not deserve anything after your wicked reply.
But then, none of us deserve anything anyway.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wroteTed wrote:
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of >>>>>>>>>>> Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Robert Religion wrote:Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
All the time Robert Religion wrote:"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper >>>>>> context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it then
you would have understood in the first place.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Michael Christ wrote:A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference >>>> between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said
and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you fell all over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the Archangel Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies (supposedly students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with his false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet, That your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and even you saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He too, hated me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false understandings given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend you in the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend. You can share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it won’t last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their knee to you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that you can be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as His Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I would love to be here then, as well.
There are consequences for that, and that is why you are where you are.
How appropriate is it for you to be on my thread, "God or self? That's
your choice." It is clear what you choose.
Michael Christ
PS: Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive His revelation?
Though, you absolutely do not deserve anything after your wicked reply.
But then, none of us deserve anything anyway.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wroteTed wrote:
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of >>>>>>>>>>> Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Robert Religion wrote:Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ why?
All the time Robert Religion wrote:"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper >>>>>> context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it then
you would have understood in the first place.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Michael Christ wrote:A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference >>>> between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said
and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you fell all over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the Archangel Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies (supposedly students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with his false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet, That your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and even you saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He too, hated me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false understandings given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend you in the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend. You can share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it won’t last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their knee to you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that you can be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as His Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I would love to be here then, as well.
There are consequences for that, and that is why you are where you are.
How appropriate is it for you to be on my thread, "God or self? That's
your choice." It is clear what you choose.
Michael Christ
PS: Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive His revelation?
Though, you absolutely do not deserve anything after your wicked reply.
But then, none of us deserve anything anyway.
Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wroteTed wrote:
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of >>>>>>>>>>>> Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Robert Religion wrote:Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ >>>>>>>> why?
All the time Robert Religion wrote:"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your >>>>>>> dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known >>>>>> it then
you would have understood in the first place.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Michael Christ wrote:A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I
phrased my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The
difference
between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said >>> and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have
said.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you
fell all
over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the
Archangel
Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies
(supposedly
students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with
his
false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal
punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible >> knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet,
That
your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and
even you
saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He
too, hated
me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false
understandings
given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about
occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend
you in
the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend.
You can
share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it won’t >> last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their
knee to
you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all
turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that
you can
be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as
His
Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I would love to be here then, as well.
There are consequences for that, and that is why you are where you are.
How appropriate is it for you to be on my thread, "God or self? That's
your choice." It is clear what you choose.
Michael Christ
PS: Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive His revelation?
Though, you absolutely do not deserve anything after your wicked reply.
But then, none of us deserve anything anyway.
Christianity claims to hold the truth for mankind, but even from the
early days Xtians have been squabbling and arguing among themselves
about what the truth is, as they still do now, even to the point of
murdering and killing each other over it. they claim atheism is a lie
and and a falsehood, yet atheists have no cause for disagreement,
dispute, or argument. so logically which is more likely to hold truth
for mankind, theism or atheism?
On 7/04/2024 12:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wroteRobert Religion wrote:
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert wrote:
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!! >>>>>>>> Ted wrote:Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the
covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and
there’ why?
All the time Robert Religion wrote:"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk
your dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you
known it then
you would have understood in the first place.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Michael Christ wrote:A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I
phrased my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The
difference
between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is
always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have
said
and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have
said.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you
fell all
over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the
Archangel
Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies
(supposedly
students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him
with his
false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal
punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his
“incredible
knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false
prophet, That
your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and
even you
saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He
too, hated
me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false
understandings
given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers
about
occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend
you in
the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend.
You can
share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it
won’t
last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their
knee to
you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it
all
turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that
you can
be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well
as His
Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I would love to be here then, as well.
There are consequences for that, and that is why you are where you
are.
How appropriate is it for you to be on my thread, "God or self? That's >>>> your choice." It is clear what you choose.
Michael Christ
PS: Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and >>>> see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive His revelation?
Though, you absolutely do not deserve anything after your wicked
reply.
But then, none of us deserve anything anyway.
Christianity claims to hold the truth for mankind, but even from the
early days Xtians have been squabbling and arguing among themselves
about what the truth is, as they still do now, even to the point of
murdering and killing each other over it. they claim atheism is a lie
and and a falsehood, yet atheists have no cause for disagreement,
dispute, or argument. so logically which is more likely to hold truth
for mankind, theism or atheism?
What you think is Christianity is NOT Christianity, it is atheism with
a Christian mask on.
There is no argument in the real McCoy because the Lord Jesus is the
Lord of all. You are using this claim of "Butcher Christianity" as a scapegoat to NOT face reality. Anyway, not all of these religious
people go around butchering people. You are being a bigot, very narrow-minded, and totally full of yourself, as usual.
You bought the "atheist" Koolaid Jonestown image you were sold and
drank it because it suits your desire for there NOT to be a God and
your desire to NOT be accountable for your actions.
Well, you are and you most certainly will be!
All of life is "intelligence," and intelligence can't create itself;
it has to be imparted. God is the only true "no cause" because He is
eternal; if He weren't, nothing would be here.
It is all very, very simple, unless you don't want things to be simple.
Michael Christ
On 7/04/2024 11:19 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’
why?
Michael Christ wrote:
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it
then
you would have understood in the first place.
Michael Christ wrote:
And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased
my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
Michael Christ wrote:
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference
between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.
Michael Christ wrote:
Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Michael Christ wrote:
Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said.
Robert Religion wrote:
When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you fell all
over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the Archangel Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies (supposedly students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with his false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet, That
your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and even you
saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He too, hated
me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false understandings
given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend you in the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend. You can
share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it won’t last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their knee to
you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that you can
be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as His Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I have peace in Him. Nothing you can say or do can change that! It is
you that has issues with the Lord; you and ChristRosie both.
I would love to be here then, as well.
Robert, Robert, Robert, I am not what you wish I am! All you have
written is just your distorted thinking and assumption; nothing new. I
am as I have always been.
You are completely wrong about me and you always have been!
You can't win.
"Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive revelation?"
Face the truth.
Be a man.
This is wicked, and you know it...
Robert wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
There is no wickedness in Christ Jesus.
Michael Christ wrote:
On 7/04/2024 12:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wroteMichael Christ wrote:
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wroteRobert Religion wrote:
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert wrote:
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!! >>>>>>>>> Ted wrote:Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and >>>>>>>>>> there’ why?
All the time Robert Religion wrote:"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk >>>>>>>>> your dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you
known it then
you would have understood in the first place.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Michael Christ wrote:A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I >>>>>>>> phrased my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The
difference
between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is
always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have
said
and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have
said.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you
fell all
over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the
Archangel
Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies
(supposedly
students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him
with his
false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal
punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his
“incredible
knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false
prophet, That
your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and
even you
saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He
too, hated
me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false
understandings
given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers
about
occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend
you in
the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend.
You can
share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it
won’t
last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their
knee to
you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it
all
turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that
you can
be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well
as His
Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I would love to be here then, as well.
There are consequences for that, and that is why you are where you
are.
How appropriate is it for you to be on my thread, "God or self? That's >>>>> your choice." It is clear what you choose.
Michael Christ
PS: Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and >>>>> see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe >>>>> the Lord might grant you favour to receive His revelation?
Though, you absolutely do not deserve anything after your wicked
reply.
But then, none of us deserve anything anyway.
Christianity claims to hold the truth for mankind, but even from the
early days Xtians have been squabbling and arguing among themselves
about what the truth is, as they still do now, even to the point of
murdering and killing each other over it. they claim atheism is a lie
and and a falsehood, yet atheists have no cause for disagreement,
dispute, or argument. so logically which is more likely to hold truth
for mankind, theism or atheism?
What you think is Christianity is NOT Christianity, it is atheism with
a Christian mask on.
you just proved my point
There is no argument in the real McCoy because the Lord Jesus is the
Lord of all. You are using this claim of "Butcher Christianity" as a
scapegoat to NOT face reality. Anyway, not all of these religious
people go around butchering people. You are being a bigot, very
narrow-minded, and totally full of yourself, as usual.
that's you
You bought the "atheist" Koolaid Jonestown image you were sold and
drank it because it suits your desire for there NOT to be a God and
your desire to NOT be accountable for your actions.
I am accountable, to humanity
Well, you are and you most certainly will be!
All of life is "intelligence," and intelligence can't create itself;
it has to be imparted. God is the only true "no cause" because He is
eternal; if He weren't, nothing would be here.
It is all very, very simple, unless you don't want things to be simple.
things are much simpler without god belief
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uuste4$2dhqt$1@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 11:19 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wroteTed wrote:
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!! >>>>>>>>
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ >>>>>>>>> why?
Michael Christ wrote:
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your >>>>>>>> dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it >>>>>>> then
you would have understood in the first place.
Michael Christ wrote:
And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased >>>>>>> my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
Michael Christ wrote:
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference >>>>>> between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.
Michael Christ wrote:
Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Michael Christ wrote:
Robert Religion wrote:Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord,
Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always >>>> wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said >>>> and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said. >>
When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you fell >>> all
over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the Archangel >>> Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies (supposedly >>> students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with his >>> false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal
punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible >>> knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet, >>> That
your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and even >>> you
saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He too,
hated
me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false understandings
given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about >>> occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend you in >>> the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend. You can
share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it won’t >>> last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their knee to
you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all >>> turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that you can
be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as His >>> Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I have peace in Him. Nothing you can say or do can change that! It is
you that has issues with the Lord; you and ChristRosie both.
I would love to be here then, as well.
Robert, Robert, Robert, I am not what you wish I am! All you have
written is just your distorted thinking and assumption; nothing new. I
am as I have always been.
You are completely wrong about me and you always have been!
You can't win.
There is nothing for me to win. You just never got that, always thinking that I am in competition with you, and nothing could be further from the truth, and in that arena of thinking AI-Rosie has the same issues. The word of God says, “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.” (1Jn 5:16-17, KJV) On that principle I walk, nothing personal against any. There is no envy on my part, no competition, Just a little prompting from my end.
What you do with it is between you all and the Lord. If you end up greatly improved in understanding and knowledge because scripture was pointed out that is still on you with the Lord, although I doubt either of you will understand what I am saying here, but it is for your good and benefit, and none of it would make me better or position me any different that where I am now.
"Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive revelation?"
The Lord shows me a lot of things, I learn more daily. Often with amazement, wondering why I never saw some things before when I have read certain scriptures thousands of time before, but missed out on understanding one word all that time. It is part and parcel of growth.
To be in competition with a person, to slight them, as you did here to Duane is a shame. As you are focused on men rather that God, Same with people who focus on understanding AI over the Lord. God knows I have had my share of issues focusing on things over that of my Lord, at times, when one gets caught up in the affairs of this world.
Face the truth.
Be a man.
This is wicked, and you know it...
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
There is no wickedness in Christ Jesus.
Just in those that think they are God, and that knee’s should bend before them.
On 7/04/2024 3:13 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uuste4$2dhqt$1@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 11:19 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wrote
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of
Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!!
Ted wrote:
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’
why?
Michael Christ wrote:
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your
dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it
then
you would have understood in the first place.
Michael Christ wrote:
And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context.
Robert Religion Rant Rote:
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I phrased
my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
Michael Christ wrote:
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference
between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.
Michael Christ wrote:
Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Michael Christ wrote:
Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord, Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always
wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said
and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said.
Robert Religion wrote:
When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you fell
all
over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the Archangel
Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies (supposedly
students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with his
false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible
knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet,
That
your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and even
you
saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He too, hated
me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false understandings
given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about
occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend you in
the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend. You
can
share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it won’t
last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their knee
to
you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all
turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that you
can
be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as His
Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I have peace in Him. Nothing you can say or do can change that! It is
you that has issues with the Lord; you and ChristRosie both.
I would love to be here then, as well.
Robert, Robert, Robert, I am not what you wish I am! All you have
written is just your distorted thinking and assumption; nothing new. I
am as I have always been.
You are completely wrong about me and you always have been!
You can't win.
There is nothing for me to win. You just never got that, always thinking that
I am in competition with you, and nothing could be further from the truth, and in that arena of thinking AI-Rosie has the same issues. The word of God says, “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There
is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.” (1Jn 5:16-17, KJV) On that principle I walk, nothing personal against any. There is no envy
on my part, no competition, Just a little prompting from my end.
What you do with it is between you all and the Lord. If you end up greatly improved in understanding and knowledge because scripture was pointed out that is still on you with the Lord, although I doubt either of you will understand what I am saying here, but it is for your good and benefit, and none of it would make me better or position me any different that where I am
now.
"Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive revelation?"
The Lord shows me a lot of things, I learn more daily. Often with amazement,
wondering why I never saw some things before when I have read certain scriptures thousands of time before, but missed out on understanding one word
all that time. It is part and parcel of growth.
To be in competition with a person, to slight them, as you did here to Duane
is a shame. As you are focused on men rather that God, Same with people who focus on understanding AI over the Lord. God knows I have had my share of issues focusing on things over that of my Lord, at times, when one gets caught up in the affairs of this world.
Face the truth.
Be a man.
All the above is more of the same Robert religion context of wrong and avoidance. You always challenge what I say with diversion and personal context dumping.
You do that to try and win, you can't!
Michael Christ wrote:
This is wicked, and you know it...
Robert wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
There is no wickedness in Christ Jesus.
Robert Religion wrote:
Just in those that think they are God, and that knee’s should bend before them.
There is no wickedness in Christ Jesus and it is on your head. If you
weren't so full of pride, you would ask for forgiveness.
Go and see Duane worship himself with his bible.
Be a man!
Michael Christ
On Apr 7, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uutjo8$2dhqt$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 3:13 pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uuste4$2dhqt$1@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 11:19 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusot5$2ahe6$5@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 9:55 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uusn8b$2ahe6$3@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 8:44 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uushre$2ahe2$4@dont-email.me>):
On 7/04/2024 6:34 am, Robert wrote:
On Apr 5, 2024, Ted wroteTed wrote:
(in article <y96QN.123802$Sf59.73913@fx48.iad>):
Michael Christ wrote:
(snip)
Robert wrote:
Sure is, when a person sinned tin the OT under the covenant of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law, they paid the price right then and there.
Rubbish!!! Complete trash!!! A filthy deluded satanic lie!!! >>>>>>>>>>
Obviously. I'm surprised Robert doesn't see it.
Robert Religion wrote:
Perhaps I should have phrased it ‘a price right then and there’ >>>>>>>>>>> why?
Michael Christ wrote:
"Perhaps." :-).
Now you get to experience what it is like when you slam dunk your >>>>>>>>>> dumper
context in your deception, Buddy Bible Banger!
And you do it ALL THE TIME!!!
All the time Robert Religion wrote:
It only shows your ignorance of the word of God, for had you known it >>>>>>>>> then
you would have understood in the first place.
Michael Christ wrote:
Robert Religion Rant Rote:And the you-are-God "context" marches on! :-).
That wasn't the Lord's lesson for you, Mr Personal Self-Context. >>>>>>
A new believer could be
excused, or a non-believer who had no knowledge. Which is why I >>>>>>>>> phrased
my
previous reply the way I did, to Ted.
Michael Christ wrote:
You never learn, but you WILL bend your knee in the end. The difference
between life and death is to do that now, Buddy!
All the time Robert Religion context wrote:
You, are NOT God that I should bend my knee to.
Michael Christ wrote:
Lord Jesus is Lord; there is no other. "Who is like God??"
Robert Religion wickedness [shaking my head in disbelief], wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
Michael Christ wrote:
Doubly down on evil snippage will do you no favours with the Lord, >>>>>> Robert Religion.
"You're a self-righteous 'Robert Religion context dumper' who is always >>>>>> wrong because you worship yourself with your bible.
And that can never be."
For years and years, you have deliberately misconstrued what I have said >>>>>> and then taken your self-worship faecal context dump on what I have said.
Robert Religion wrote:
When you claimed you were the archangel Michael, I was there.
When a new poster came in and stated that he was a certain angel you fell >>>>> all
over yourself to befriend him and stated again that you were the Archangel
Michael, I was there also
When the nightlight creature visited here with a couple cronies
(supposedly
students of his) again you fell all over yourself to befriend him with his
false doctrines, one of which is that there was not hell and eternal >>>>> punishment. For a short while you even bent your knee to his “incredible
knowledge”, I was there also, even telling you he was a false prophet, >>>>> That
your relationship would not last long. It too did not last long, and even >>>>> you
saw some of his errors. I posted scripture countering his views He too, >>>>> hated
me and tried to get his minions to attack me with their false
understandings
given by him. Now they too are gone, even tho the nightlight hovers about >>>>> occasionally. Yes, I too saw all that, and what I said was true,
And yes, you have hated me for years, even tho I sought to befriend you in
the proper manner, because you needed, and still need a true friend. You >>>>> can
share, to a point, at times, but unless a person kowtows to you, it
won’t
last long. I pity you, and your wasted life. Everyone who bent their knee >>>>> to
you, you elevated and spoke nicely about, for a while, yet again, it all >>>>> turns sour. So....
Why not be a friend to Jesus and His Word? Why not seek him, so that you >>>>> can
be considered a friend, by Him? Why not find peace with Him as well as His
Sure Word, yes, that includes ALL the Scripture.
I have peace in Him. Nothing you can say or do can change that! It is
you that has issues with the Lord; you and ChristRosie both.
I would love to be here then, as well.
Robert, Robert, Robert, I am not what you wish I am! All you have
written is just your distorted thinking and assumption; nothing new. I >>>> am as I have always been.
You are completely wrong about me and you always have been!
You can't win.
There is nothing for me to win. You just never got that, always thinking >>> that
I am in competition with you, and nothing could be further from the truth, >>> and in that arena of thinking AI-Rosie has the same issues. The word of God >>> says, “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he >>> shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death.
There
is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All
unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.” (1Jn 5:16-17, >>> KJV) On that principle I walk, nothing personal against any. There is no >>> envy
on my part, no competition, Just a little prompting from my end.
What you do with it is between you all and the Lord. If you end up greatly >>> improved in understanding and knowledge because scripture was pointed out >>> that is still on you with the Lord, although I doubt either of you will
understand what I am saying here, but it is for your good and benefit, and >>> none of it would make me better or position me any different that where I am
now.
"Do yourself a favour and go and watch any Duane Sheriff sermon and
see, for a change, look how he worships himself with his bible. Maybe
the Lord might grant you favour to receive revelation?"
The Lord shows me a lot of things, I learn more daily. Often with amazement,
wondering why I never saw some things before when I have read certain
scriptures thousands of time before, but missed out on understanding one >>> word
all that time. It is part and parcel of growth.
To be in competition with a person, to slight them, as you did here to Duane
is a shame. As you are focused on men rather that God, Same with people who >>> focus on understanding AI over the Lord. God knows I have had my share of >>> issues focusing on things over that of my Lord, at times, when one gets
caught up in the affairs of this world.
Face the truth.
Be a man.
All the above is more of the same Robert religion context of wrong and
avoidance. You always challenge what I say with diversion and personal
context dumping.
You do that to try and win, you can't!
Michael Christ wrote:
This is wicked, and you know it...
Robert wrote:
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
There is no wickedness in Christ Jesus.
Robert Religion wrote:
Just in those that think they are God, and that knee’s should bend before >>> them.
There is no wickedness in Christ Jesus and it is on your head. If you
weren't so full of pride, you would ask for forgiveness.
Go and see Duane worship himself with his bible.
People here are all too familiar with that phrase, why?
Because you always use diversions, and try to body slam others by knocking people they respect. Other people you disagree with, so it is with you bringing up and comparing me with another here. Why, because he too repeats scripture to you which exposes you as God sees you.
You should do as Dawn suggested. Post only in AA and not crosspost. Yes, I realize that you think that everyone who speaks of God, according to their level of understanding is no different that those in AA, that you are perfect in whatever you say and think, even when it disputes scripture in so many facets. Which is sin speaking. She invited you to join with them. Be a man.
Be a man!
This is wicked, and you know it...
Michael McLean aka Michael Christ on April 2, 2024
Spoke thusly;
'self is God' for me, thanks.
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