• Re: Gaza girl, 6, who pleaded by phone to be rescued after an Israeli a

    From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to NefeshBarYochai on Mon Feb 12 09:17:55 2024
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    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    Six-year-old Hind Rajab, who went missing in Gaza City last month, has
    been found dead.

    Hind was discovered along with two paramedics who had been attempting
    to rescue her.

    She had made contact with emergency services and begged them to save
    her as she hid from IDF forces.

    A six-year-old girl who disappeared in Gaza last month was found dead alongside two paramedics who had attempted to rescue her, the
    Palestinian Red Crescent (PRCS), a humanitarian organization, said in
    a post on X, formerly Twitter.

    Hind had been traveling with several family members when their car
    came under fire from Israeli forces.

    The PRCS released audio of Hind's final moments as she lay trapped in
    the car for three hours. In the recordings, she pleaded with emergency services by phone to help find her and rescue her.
    "Come take me," she said. "I'm so scared. Please come."

    Two PRCS paramedics, Yusuf Al-Zeino and Ahmed Al-Madhou, were sent to
    find Hind, but the agency lost contact with them.

    They were later discovered dead in a burned-out ambulance, just meters
    from the bullet-riddled car where Hind also lay.

    The PRCS claimed that Israeli forces had "deliberately targeted the ambulance" as it arrived at the scene "despite prior coordination to
    allow the ambulance to reach the location."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/gaza-girl-6-who-pleaded-by-phone-to-be-rescued-after-an-israeli-attack-found-dead-along-with-paramedics-sent-to-save-her/ar-BB1i78ta?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=e1563c29d7574e1f8b8a07e3f955c427&ei=39



    As if ZERO children in Germany and Japan were killed by Allied
    bombs between 1939 and 1945!


    Michael

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Mon Feb 12 20:44:49 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 09:17:55 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:

    As if ZERO children in Germany and Japan were killed by Allied
    bombs between 1939 and 1945!

    As the saying goes: “that was then, this is now”. Part of the
    international order put in place after World War II was precisely to
    prevent a repeat of that sort of earlier barbarity.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Mon Feb 12 16:15:47 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 20:44:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 09:17:55 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:

    As if ZERO children in Germany and Japan were killed by Allied
    bombs between 1939 and 1945!

    As the saying goes: that was then, this is now. Part of the
    international order put in place after World War II was precisely to
    prevent a repeat of that sort of earlier barbarity.

    The jew will never be civilized. The only way to deal with them is
    with an iron fist. When facing an equal or stronger enemy, they will
    cower into submission. That is when there will be peace.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Peeler on Mon Feb 12 21:21:49 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:15:47 -0500, Peeler wrote:

    The jew will never be civilized.

    That’s the kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place. Europeans persecuted Jews for centuries, culminating in that horrendous massacre perpetrated by the Nazis and their “official good Christian” leader.

    You’d think, after that, someone would say “enough discrimination and persecution, let’s just accept them as fellow Europeans and human beings
    and try and get along”. But no, they decided that they would “persuade” the Jews to emigrate to their own “homeland”.

    But that “homeland” already had people living in it. So a necessary step
    in that new colonization was to demote the existing citizens of that land
    to some kind of worthless, subhuman status -- the same kind of subhuman
    status that Jews had been subjected to in Europe.

    And so the stage is set for a new genocide.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Mon Feb 12 22:08:52 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:55:39 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    their “official good Christian” leader.

    Hitler was never that.

    He was. The Vatican even celebrated his birthday. If they don’t know who “good Christians” are, who does?

    Of course he was a sociopathic, genocidal maniac. But then, religion was
    never about morality, was it?

    And so the stage is set for a new genocide.

    There is no genocide.

    The ICJ would beg to differ.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Mon Feb 12 22:06:50 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:46:25 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Pity about what the rag heads tried to do to Israel, time after time
    after time.

    Dehumanizing your enemy is the traditional prelude to committing genocide
    on them.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Tue Feb 13 01:47:32 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 10:00:54 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    Rod Speed wrote

    Pity about what the rag heads tried todo to Israel, time after time
    after time.

    Dehumanizing your enemy

    No one is doing that.

    You used the racial slur, right there.

    is the traditional prelude to committing genocide on them.

    You wouldnt know what genocide was if it bit you on your lard arse.

    That kind of argument by Israel tends to get looked on poorly by the ICJ.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Tue Feb 13 01:51:14 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 10:05:39 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    The Vatican even celebrated his birthday.

    What a collection of child molesters and rapist do is irrelevant.

    Like I said, being a good religious follower has nothing do with morality.

    If they don’t know who “good Christians” are, who does?

    The protestants.

    But the Protestants can’t even agree which ones among them are “good” and which ones are just worse “heretics”.

    Of course he was a sociopathic, genocidal maniac.

    But then, religion was never about morality, was it?

    Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

    That’s the typical knee-jerk reaction of the religious fanatic.

    The ICJ would beg to differ.

    They are completely irrelevant. Words have meanings.

    And the Court is charged, under the UN charter, with assessing the
    evidence, and coming to a conclusion that is binding on all parties. A
    charter that Israel has signed up to, in case you’ve forgotten.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Tue Feb 13 22:51:04 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:29:44 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    Like I said, being a good religious follower

    Hitler was never that.

    He officially was, according to the arbiters of the concept.

    has nothing do with morality.

    Wrong, as always.

    Think about it: if morality depends on religion, then that has to mean
    that different “gods” define different ideas of right and wrong.

    If they don’t know who “good Christians” are, who does?

    The protestants.

    But the Protestants can’t even agree which ones among them are “good” >> and which ones are just worse “heretics”.

    Neither can the child molesters and rapists.

    That’s not really denying my point though, is it? Conflating your devout religious types with “child molesters and rapists” is, shall we say,
    hardly ascribing a high moral stance to the former, is it?

    That’s the typical knee-jerk reaction of the religious fanatic.

    You wouldnt know what a religioius fanatic was if one bit you on your
    lard arse.

    Why, is that something you are in the habit of doing?

    And the Court is charged, under the UN charter, with assessing the
    evidence, and coming to a conclusion that is binding on all parties.

    Not on what constitutes genocide they arent.

    Yes they are. It’s spelled out in the Genocide Convention, very plainly.

    A charter that Israel has signed up to, in case you’ve forgotten.

    Hardly surprising that they signed up with the operation that created
    them, fool.

    So how does that let them off the hook?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Sun Feb 18 23:33:40 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:24:48 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    That kind of argument by Israel tends to get looked on poorly by the
    ICJ.

    Isreal doesnt give a flying red fuck what the those fool look poorly on, stupid.

    But ICJ verdicts are binding on signatories to the UN charter. And Israel
    is a signatory to the UN charter, is it not? If it has no intention of
    paying attention to international law, why doesn’t it just leave the UN?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Mon Feb 19 05:09:42 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 11:13:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    And Israel is a signatory to the UN charter, is it not?

    So is Russia and Putin didnt hand himself in when the ICJ ruled that he
    had no right to attack the Ukraine.

    I thought Israel prided itself on being better than the others: a “true democracy” and all that. Yet here you are admitting it is no better than these other countries with terrible human-rights records?

    why doesn’t it just leave the UN?

    Because it was the UN that created Israel, stupid.

    Why does Israel feel some legal obligation to be in the UN, when there is
    no such law, yet it doesn’t feel obliged to follow the actual laws that it signed up to?

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  • From Fran@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Tue Feb 20 19:23:20 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On 19/02/2024 4:09 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 11:13:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    And Israel is a signatory to the UN charter, is it not?

    So is Russia and Putin didnt hand himself in when the ICJ ruled that he
    had no right to attack the Ukraine.

    I thought Israel prided itself on being better than the others: a “true democracy” and all that. Yet here you are admitting it is no better than these other countries with terrible human-rights records?

    He admitted no such thing. You just threw in two logical fallacies into
    a single paragraph.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Fran on Wed Feb 21 21:22:57 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:23:20 +1100, Fran wrote:

    On 19/02/2024 4:09 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 11:13:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    And Israel is a signatory to the UN charter, is it not?

    So is Russia and Putin didnt hand himself in when the ICJ ruled that
    he
    had no right to attack the Ukraine.

    I thought Israel prided itself on being better than the others: a “true
    democracy” and all that. Yet here you are admitting it is no better
    than these other countries with terrible human-rights records?

    He admitted no such thing.

    So why bring those countries into the discussion, if he was not trying to
    draw some kind of comparison?

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  • From Fran@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Feb 22 10:33:55 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On 22/02/2024 8:22 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:23:20 +1100, Fran wrote:

    On 19/02/2024 4:09 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 11:13:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    And Israel is a signatory to the UN charter, is it not?

    So is Russia and Putin didnt hand himself in when the ICJ ruled that
    he
    had no right to attack the Ukraine.

    I thought Israel prided itself on being better than the others: a “true >>> democracy” and all that. Yet here you are admitting it is no better
    than these other countries with terrible human-rights records?

    He admitted no such thing.

    So why bring those countries into the discussion, if he was not trying to draw some kind of comparison?

    It's obvious why he'd mention other countries.

    All members of the UN are Charter signatories. Many countries have had
    adverse finding by the ICJ and not left. Russia has been taken to the
    ICJ by the Ukraine in exactly the same manner as Israel has been. That
    case is ongoing an Russia hasn't left the UN and nor should it.

    I repeat, Rod made no such admission that yu state he did.

    Rod may be a silly old bugger who digs his heels in and says some really
    stupid things sometimes but he usually know what is happening in current affairs even if he's always to the extreme far right in how he views
    current affairs. He makes enough silly claims of his own without you
    claiming he's said something he hasn't.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Fran on Thu Feb 22 05:04:55 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:33:55 +1100, Fran wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 8:22 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    So why bring those countries into the discussion, if he was not trying
    to draw some kind of comparison?

    It's obvious why he'd mention other countries.

    All members of the UN are Charter signatories. Many countries have had adverse finding by the ICJ and not left. Russia has been taken to the
    ICJ by the Ukraine in exactly the same manner as Israel has been. That
    case is ongoing an Russia hasn't left the UN and nor should it.

    I repeat, Rod made no such admission that yu state he did.

    So what was the point of mentioning them, if not to draw some kind of
    parallels with Israel?

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  • From Fran@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Feb 23 12:49:37 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On 22/02/2024 4:04 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:33:55 +1100, Fran wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 8:22 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    So why bring those countries into the discussion, if he was not trying
    to draw some kind of comparison?

    It's obvious why he'd mention other countries.

    All members of the UN are Charter signatories. Many countries have had
    adverse finding by the ICJ and not left. Russia has been taken to the
    ICJ by the Ukraine in exactly the same manner as Israel has been. That
    case is ongoing an Russia hasn't left the UN and nor should it.

    I repeat, Rod made no such admission that yu state he did.

    So what was the point of mentioning them, if not to draw some kind of parallels with Israel?

    I repeat:
    It's obvious why he'd mention other countries.

    All members of the UN are Charter signatories. Many countries have
    had adverse finding by the ICJ and not left. Russia has been taken to
    the ICJ by the Ukraine in exactly the same manner as Israel has been.
    That case is ongoing an Russia hasn't left the UN and nor should it.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Fran on Wed Feb 28 05:46:19 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:49:37 +1100, Fran wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 4:04 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    So what was the point of mentioning them, if not to draw some kind of
    parallels with Israel?

    I repeat:
    It's obvious why he'd mention other countries.

    All members of the UN are Charter signatories. Many countries have
    had adverse finding by the ICJ and not left. Russia has been taken to
    the ICJ by the Ukraine in exactly the same manner as Israel has been.
    That case is ongoing an Russia hasn't left the UN and nor should it.

    Is there some kind of parallel being drawn with Israel? Yes or no?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Thu Feb 29 23:47:47 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:53:39 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

    Is there some kind of parallel being drawn with Israel? Yes or no?

    You don't get to demand and yes or no ...

    It has to be one or the other. Which is it?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Petzl on Mon Mar 4 21:51:47 2024
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:18:00 +1100, Petzl wrote:

    There were a number of FBI loaded buses bringing in a fair number of
    FBI trying to create unruly behavior

    I thought you said they were “let in by the guards”?

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