• Is Hazrat Shams Tabrizi buried in Bangladesh?

    From abu@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 15 22:40:46 2022
    Is Hazrat Shams Tabrizi buried in Bangladesh?

    Maolana Rumi's people did not find Hazrat Shamsuddin Tabrizi once he left Konya finally. If he was in Tabriz or in Iranian Azarbaijan, most likely Maolana Rumi's people would have found him there. Besides, it seems that the reputed tomb of Shams Tabrizi
    in Khoy of Iranian Azarbaijan was the tomb of a Ismaili theologian and Imam by the name Shamsuddin Tabrizi who labored in this region.

    Also this tomb seems to be a very late discovery, well in the period when motivated gangs with agenda were contaminating books on Sufism. Muslims became backward and were defeated in the wars. They lost the custody of these books.

    Aga Khan Mahallati (d.1881) was quite influential in Iran during comparable time. Although some information about the Ismaili theologian can be found in a paper by the Ismaili scholar Rai Mumtaz Ali Tajddin available in the internet, we do not have a
    study of Aga Khan Mahallati on this matter. About him see the article of Professor Hamid Alger, “The Revolt of the Agha Khan Mahallati and the Transference of the Ismaili Imamate to India," Studia Islamica, 29 (1969). Mahallati was a great friend of
    the colonial powers.

    Now some Bangladeshi scholars, for example Dr. Golam Saklayen (in বাংলাদেশের সূফী সাধক, 2019, page 75) wrote that one Shamsuddin Tabrizi was the Ustad of Hazrat Makhdum Shah Doulah Shahid and he is buried in Shahzadpur,
    Pabna. The tomb still exists. Since time roughly matches one wonders who is this Shamsuddin Tabrizi who came with the group of Sufis with Makhdum Shah Doulah Shahid? Shah Doulah met Jalaluddin Surkh Bukhari possibly in Bukhara. From the variants of the
    stories it is not clear whether it was in Bukhara or in somewhere on Shah Doulah's way to Bangladesh.

    It is believed that Jalaluddin Surkh Bukhari died in 1295. In the past we heard that he married a daughter of Chengish Khan. Since Chengish Khan was much hated among Muslim refugees during this time the story was a scandal and eventually disappeared.
    Jalaluddin Surkh Bukhari presented a pair of pigeons to Shah Doulah reportedly not after 1244.

    Hazrat Shams Tabrizi reportedly left Konya in 1247. Professor Enamul Haq ( বঙ্গে স্বূফী প্রভাব, 1935. Page 98 in the 2011 reprint) also believed that Shamsuddin Tabrizi of Shahzadpur was the famous Shamsuddin Tabrizi, "
    teacher" of Rumi. However he mentions the wrong year, namely 1247, as the year when Shamsuddin Tabrizi died.

    One cannot be very sure of these years. Because none of the good Muslims involved in the stories were good in depicting history critically. Nor their manuscripts are infallible documents. History is an external science. Not everybody has energy for both
    external and esoteric sciences. We have to take these times as crude approximation.

    In view of the rich western devotees of Maolana Rumi today I would encourage the people of Shahzadpur to try to make the tomb of Hazrat Shamsuddin Tabrizi an international Sufi tourist attraction. Provided it can be made following the shariat and
    children of shaitan are left aloof, it would be a great success for the spread of authentic Sufism and the pure ideas of Shamsuddin Tabrizi, who even found the Great Sheikh Ibnul Arabi a beādab. The nearest airport at Ishurdi (Ishwardi) is about 81 km
    from Shahzadpur. Possibly it is more convenient by road from Dhaka so that one can avoid waiting for connecting flights.

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  • From abu@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 15 23:15:22 2022
    Is Hazrat Shams Tabrizi buried in Bangladesh?

    Maolana Rumi's people did not find Hazrat Shamsuddin Tabrizi once he left Konya finally. If he was in Tabriz or in Iranian Azarbaijan, most likely Maolana Rumi's people would have found him there. Besides, it seems that the reputed tomb of Shams Tabrizi
    in Khoy of Iranian Azarbaijan was the tomb of a Ismaili theologian and Imam by the name Shamsuddin Tabrizi who labored in this region.

    Also this tomb seems to be a very late discovery, well in the period when motivated gangs with agenda were contaminating books on Sufism. Muslims became backward and were defeated in the wars. They lost the custody of these books.

    Aga Khan Mahallati (d.1881) was quite influential in Iran during comparable time. Although some information about the Ismaili theologian can be found in a paper by the Ismaili scholar Rai Mumtaz Ali Tajddin available in the internet, we do not have a
    study of Aga Khan Mahallati on this matter. About him see the article of Professor Hamid Alger, “The Revolt of the Agha Khan Mahallati and the Transference of the Ismaili Imamate to India," Studia Islamica, 29 (1969). Mahallati was a great friend of
    the colonial powers.

    Now some Bangladeshi scholars, for example Dr. Golam Saklayen (in বাংলাদেশের সূফী সাধক, 2019, page 75) wrote that one Shamsuddin Tabrizi was the Ustad of Hazrat Makhdum Shah Doulah Shahid and he is buried in Shahzadpur,
    Pabna. The tomb still exists. Since time roughly matches one wonders who is this Shamsuddin Tabrizi who came with the group of Sufis with Makhdum Shah Doulah Shahid? Shah Doulah met Jalaluddin Surkh Bukhari possibly in Bukhara. From the variants of the
    stories it is not clear whether it was in Bukhara or in somewhere on Shah Doulah's way to Bangladesh.

    It is believed that Jalaluddin Surkh Bukhari died in 1295. In the past we heard that he married a daughter of Chengish Khan. Since Chengish Khan was much hated among Muslim refugees during this time the story was a scandal and eventually disappeared.
    Jalaluddin Surkh Bukhari presented a pair of pigeons to Shah Doulah reportedly not after 1244.

    Hazrat Shams Tabrizi reportedly left Konya in 1247. Professor Enamul Haq ( বঙ্গে স্বূফী প্রভাব, 1935. Page 98 in the 2011 reprint) also believed that Shamsuddin Tabrizi of Shahzadpur was the famous Shamsuddin Tabrizi, "
    teacher" of Rumi. However he mentions the wrong year, namely 1247, as the year when Shamsuddin Tabrizi died.

    One cannot be very sure of these years. Because none of the good Muslims involved in the stories were good in depicting history critically. Nor their manuscripts are infallible documents. History is an external science. Not everybody has energy for both
    external and esoteric sciences. We have to take these times as crude approximation.

    In view of the rich western followers of Maolana Rumi today I would encourage the people of Shahzadpur to try to make the tomb of Hazrat Shamsuddin Tabrizi an international Sufi tourist attraction. Provided it can be made following the shariat and
    children of shaitan are left aloof, it would be a great success for the spread of authentic Sufism and the pure ideas of Shamsuddin Tabrizi, who even found the Great Sheikh Ibnul Arabi a beādab. The nearest airport at Ishurdi (Ishwardi) is about 81 km
    from Shahzadpur. Possibly it is more convenient by road from Dhaka so that one can avoid waiting for connecting flights.

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