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    From shour17@apu.edu@21:1/5 to yo...@webtv.net on Tue Jan 14 10:22:28 2020
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    The Kamboja presence in Mathura is also recognized in the Mathura Lion Capital inscriptions of c 1 A.D.

    (3) During 200 B.C., the Kambojas from their original Kamboja lands from North India - Afghanistan started further expanding into the Punjab,
    Sindh, Sauvir, Malva and Uttar Pradesh area. Also, one other section
    went to Bihar, Bengal and Orissa and permanently settled there. (Vishal
    Kambo page 16 by Dr Jya Lal).

    (4) Kambojas find mention in Ashoka's Sirnar or Sirinagar in Junagard Gujrat/Kathiawar, Kalsi in Dehradun and Dhauli in Bhubhneshwar in Orissa also, besides in Kandhar, Lamghan in East Afghanistan and Shahbazgarhi
    in Northwest Frontier Pakistan areas.

            Thus, from the above we see that the Kambojas
    presence is also
    recognized in Gujrat/Kathiawar and Bhubneshwara/Orissa as early as
    Ashoka's times - 300 B.C.   Even from Braht Samhita of Vrahamihira, we
    find footprints of Kambojas somewhere near the Gujrat area.

    (5) According to the Brahman Purana (4th century A.D.) the presence of Kambojas is recognized in Assam and Tamaralipti (Tamaluk) region of
    Bengal also. Several historians find the foot prints of Kamboja people passing in the Tibet area or its borderlands. According to Nepali
    traditions, the Kambojadesha name applies to some settlers in Tibet (Foucher..Iconographie Buddhique' p 134, also ref Charles Eliot, Dr Ghokhale). V. A. Smith also locates Kambojas in Tibet and in Hindu Kush mountains.

    (6) The Burmese and Tibetean chronicles and lores make mention of a
    country called Kampchih or Kampotes located somewhere in-between Assam
    and Burma. This, to all probability is the Kamboja settlement as
    referred to in the Brahman Purana pointed above.
    According to eminent Scholars (Dr P. C. Baghchi, R.C. Majumdar, A.D.
    Pusalkar etc.) this Kamboj country was distinct from the Yona-Kamboja-Gandhara group of North India. Probably, this was a section
    of the eastern branch of Pamirian Kambojan people who later moved
    towards Assam and had colonized this region which later became known as another 'Kamboja' country, around 3/4 century AD.

    It could be possible to think also that some Kambojas from this land had
    also later moved further onwards towards Mekong Valley in the 4/5 c AD
    and established themselves in that land.

    (6) We also find mention of a certain Kambojaraja in the Chindambram Inscription where this Kambojaraja is said to have made a precious
    present to Rajendra Chola. He was a good friend of Rajendra Chola and is
    said to have sought his military help against the non-Kamboj Bengalese
    Pala kings.

    The information I have put up above shows that there is documentary
    proof of a concentrations of Kamboja people in several Eastern Indian
    areas since before the start of AD era. (Assam, Tibetean borderlands, Tamarlipiti in Bengal, and Bhubneshwera in Orissa etc).

    Presence of ancient Kambojas is also recognized in Kathiawar/Gujarat and
    is also proved by Girinar Inscriptions of Ashoka and some other
    historical records.
    There has been ancient commercial sea traffic recognized between the Saurashtra region and Sri Lanka. Further, the presence of Kambojas is documentarily recognized in Sri Lanka from its inscriptions and Pali
    Canons as stated in above. (200BC-200AD). And I also believe, the Sri-Lankans, like their Tamils brethren, have been in touch with these Indo-Chinese lands of Far India since before the start of AD era.

    I am leaving this information for my friends to ponder over. The only
    purpose of my postings on this thread was to provide some information
    for you very educated and intellectual readers of this site, from a
    third school view point, (which has hitherto been neglected in the
    studies of Farther India by Tamils and Bengalese historians for obvious reasons) ... and thereby set up the process of thinking and
    re-evaluation.   My respected brother Raveen calls me as belonging to
    a class of 'out-of-mainstream' historians. It is very easy to move with
    the crowd, but it is real challenging to move on the untrodden paths.
    It is a very difficult task and needs guts indeed.


    ==================================
    JY: The above is just a small fraction of the material that is becoming
    more available on the India-Kamboja-Khmer connection.

    It is obvious that the Kambojas not only were capable of extensive
    mobility, they were actively mobile even back into the pre-Christian
    era.

    South Indian researcher on this subject, K.D. Thirunavukkarasu, has
    stated his suspicions that there are yet more sources of documentary
    evidence of the Indian (North and South) presence in Southeast Asia that
    will confirm the antiquity of that contact. He has expressed concern
    about records in some of the Southeast Asian countries, most notably Thailand, and he has noted that the Thai have subjected ancient texts to revision and what are called "redactions."

    No doubt, as time goes by, more and more of these texts and other forms
    of evidence are either destroyed, defaced, or perpetually sequestered.
    Those whose objective is to "bleach" the Indic element out of the
    history of Southeast Asia, ... especially out of the Khmer history, ...
    they will have succeeded in erasing a substantial source of refence on
    the heritage and cultural linkage between a people, ... the Khmer, and
    their Indian ancestry.

    If the "bleachers" succeed in their mission, I will feel sympathy for
    the Khmer, because they will have been robbed of their history ... but I
    will pity the "bleachers" even more, because their "victory" will not be
    one worthy of praise, but it will be one in the same vein as Hitler,
    Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, ... the only difference being that in this
    case, no blood will be spilled, ... only ink, yet a people will vanish
    from the earth.

    Jai Kambudesa

    Jai Hind

    Jim

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  • From shour17@apu.edu@21:1/5 to yo...@webtv.net on Tue Jan 14 10:31:31 2020
    [continued from previous message]

    The Kamboja presence in Mathura is also recognized in the Mathura Lion Capital inscriptions of c 1 A.D.

    (3) During 200 B.C., the Kambojas from their original Kamboja lands from North India - Afghanistan started further expanding into the Punjab,
    Sindh, Sauvir, Malva and Uttar Pradesh area. Also, one other section
    went to Bihar, Bengal and Orissa and permanently settled there. (Vishal
    Kambo page 16 by Dr Jya Lal).

    (4) Kambojas find mention in Ashoka's Sirnar or Sirinagar in Junagard Gujrat/Kathiawar, Kalsi in Dehradun and Dhauli in Bhubhneshwar in Orissa also, besides in Kandhar, Lamghan in East Afghanistan and Shahbazgarhi
    in Northwest Frontier Pakistan areas.

            Thus, from the above we see that the Kambojas
    presence is also
    recognized in Gujrat/Kathiawar and Bhubneshwara/Orissa as early as
    Ashoka's times - 300 B.C.   Even from Braht Samhita of Vrahamihira, we
    find footprints of Kambojas somewhere near the Gujrat area.

    (5) According to the Brahman Purana (4th century A.D.) the presence of Kambojas is recognized in Assam and Tamaralipti (Tamaluk) region of
    Bengal also. Several historians find the foot prints of Kamboja people passing in the Tibet area or its borderlands. According to Nepali
    traditions, the Kambojadesha name applies to some settlers in Tibet (Foucher..Iconographie Buddhique' p 134, also ref Charles Eliot, Dr Ghokhale). V. A. Smith also locates Kambojas in Tibet and in Hindu Kush mountains.

    (6) The Burmese and Tibetean chronicles and lores make mention of a
    country called Kampchih or Kampotes located somewhere in-between Assam
    and Burma. This, to all probability is the Kamboja settlement as
    referred to in the Brahman Purana pointed above.
    According to eminent Scholars (Dr P. C. Baghchi, R.C. Majumdar, A.D.
    Pusalkar etc.) this Kamboj country was distinct from the Yona-Kamboja-Gandhara group of North India. Probably, this was a section
    of the eastern branch of Pamirian Kambojan people who later moved
    towards Assam and had colonized this region which later became known as another 'Kamboja' country, around 3/4 century AD.

    It could be possible to think also that some Kambojas from this land had
    also later moved further onwards towards Mekong Valley in the 4/5 c AD
    and established themselves in that land.

    (6) We also find mention of a certain Kambojaraja in the Chindambram Inscription where this Kambojaraja is said to have made a precious
    present to Rajendra Chola. He was a good friend of Rajendra Chola and is
    said to have sought his military help against the non-Kamboj Bengalese
    Pala kings.

    The information I have put up above shows that there is documentary
    proof of a concentrations of Kamboja people in several Eastern Indian
    areas since before the start of AD era. (Assam, Tibetean borderlands, Tamarlipiti in Bengal, and Bhubneshwera in Orissa etc).

    Presence of ancient Kambojas is also recognized in Kathiawar/Gujarat and
    is also proved by Girinar Inscriptions of Ashoka and some other
    historical records.
    There has been ancient commercial sea traffic recognized between the Saurashtra region and Sri Lanka. Further, the presence of Kambojas is documentarily recognized in Sri Lanka from its inscriptions and Pali
    Canons as stated in above. (200BC-200AD). And I also believe, the Sri-Lankans, like their Tamils brethren, have been in touch with these Indo-Chinese lands of Far India since before the start of AD era.

    I am leaving this information for my friends to ponder over. The only
    purpose of my postings on this thread was to provide some information
    for you very educated and intellectual readers of this site, from a
    third school view point, (which has hitherto been neglected in the
    studies of Farther India by Tamils and Bengalese historians for obvious reasons) ... and thereby set up the process of thinking and
    re-evaluation.   My respected brother Raveen calls me as belonging to
    a class of 'out-of-mainstream' historians. It is very easy to move with
    the crowd, but it is real challenging to move on the untrodden paths.
    It is a very difficult task and needs guts indeed.


    ==================================
    JY: The above is just a small fraction of the material that is becoming
    more available on the India-Kamboja-Khmer connection.

    It is obvious that the Kambojas not only were capable of extensive
    mobility, they were actively mobile even back into the pre-Christian
    era.

    South Indian researcher on this subject, K.D. Thirunavukkarasu, has
    stated his suspicions that there are yet more sources of documentary
    evidence of the Indian (North and South) presence in Southeast Asia that
    will confirm the antiquity of that contact. He has expressed concern
    about records in some of the Southeast Asian countries, most notably Thailand, and he has noted that the Thai have subjected ancient texts to revision and what are called "redactions."

    No doubt, as time goes by, more and more of these texts and other forms
    of evidence are either destroyed, defaced, or perpetually sequestered.
    Those whose objective is to "bleach" the Indic element out of the
    history of Southeast Asia, ... especially out of the Khmer history, ...
    they will have succeeded in erasing a substantial source of refence on
    the heritage and cultural linkage between a people, ... the Khmer, and
    their Indian ancestry.

    If the "bleachers" succeed in their mission, I will feel sympathy for
    the Khmer, because they will have been robbed of their history ... but I
    will pity the "bleachers" even more, because their "victory" will not be
    one worthy of praise, but it will be one in the same vein as Hitler,
    Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, ... the only difference being that in this
    case, no blood will be spilled, ... only ink, yet a people will vanish
    from the earth.

    Jai Kambudesa

    Jai Hind

    Jim

    I do agree with the person that stated that Khmer nation-state were
    those Kambojans from what is today's Kashmir/Punjab area of India. I am khmer and my family are from Cambodia, when I did my 23andMe DNA testing it shows that I am have a small percentage of Northern Indian mixed started from over 1000 yeears ago and it
    exactly stated I am mixed with Bengali and that northern region of Inida. I have Indian relatives that currently lived in Bengal and Andra Pradesh. According to 23andMe the first maternal woman from my lineage 20,000 years ago was from Jodhpur India.

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