Statistics don't lie:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 23:39:05 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
But nigger statistics never lie.
Statistics don't lie:
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli: >>There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
But nigger statistics never lie.
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector of
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
Statistics don't lie:
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
I would have thought that a web address like that would make it clear where the bias is. The reason for most crimes is in the end poverty, after all. Something is failing the black population.
Brian
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector of
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
the population is over-represented compared to the general population.
For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see how that sector
is represented among that part of the population affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and probably do lie.
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector of
the population is over-represented compared to the general population. For >that you need to include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, inequality >and high unemployment, in the figures and see how that sector is
represented among that part of the population affected by those.
Statistics that don't include those can and probably do lie.
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli: >>>> There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such as
poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see how
that sector is represented among that part of the population affected
by those. Statistics that don't include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the likes
of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 23:39:05 +0100, Colin BignellI would wonder what their statistics are in blowing their loads
<cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
But nigger statistics never lie.
inside your teen daughter's womb, but for you to have a teen daughter,
you would need to blow your load inside a girl's or woman's womb.
What are the chances of that happening?
Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:Still pissed off that they refuse to stick it in you?
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
I would have thought that a web address like that would make it clear where >the bias is. The reason for most crimes is in the end poverty, after all. >Something is failing the black population.
Brian
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner- city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such as
poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see how
that sector is represented among that part of the population affected
by those. Statistics that don't include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show the
correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply
because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural.
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking. White
males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual grooming, but
Asian males are more likely to do so as a group activity. The prevalence
of black males being convicted of street crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are more than three times as likely to
be stopped and arrested than whites, although the conviction rate for
whites is higher), more of them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils in schools, compared to whites in the
same schools.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my
family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor who
died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point. Does
that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply that most
of them were very poor?
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:08:57 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and highHowever, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such as >>>> poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see how
that sector is represented among that part of the population affected
by those. Statistics that don't include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show the
correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply
because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural.
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans and
Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking. White
males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual grooming, but
Asian males are more likely to do so as a group activity. The prevalence
of black males being convicted of street crime is thought to be dues to
racial bias in the police (blacks are more than three times as likely to
be stopped and arrested than whites, although the conviction rate for
whites is higher), more of them living in areas of poverty and
under-achievement of black pupils in schools, compared to whites in the
same schools.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my
family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor who
died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point. Does
that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply that most
of them were very poor?
There is a stronger gang culture amongst no-hopers, with no resident
fathers at home.
On 23/07/2023 in message <5PCdnXAXS_nGayH5nZ2dnZeNn_Vj4p2d@giganews.com> Colin Bignell wrote:
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such as
poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see how
that sector is represented among that part of the population affected
by those. Statistics that don't include those can and probably do lie.
Bollocks. You need to look at why a sector of the population feels it is acceptable to steal.
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:43:35 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:Still pissed off that they refuse to stick it in you?
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
Has ape Chrissie Morton stuck it in YOU yet, gook?
#gookejershito
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli: >>>>> There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such
as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see
how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli: >>>>> There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such as
poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see how
that sector is represented among that part of the population affected
by those. Statistics that don't include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the likes
of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show the
correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply
because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view.
Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking. White
males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual grooming, but
Asian males are more likely to do so as a group activity. The prevalence
of black males being convicted of street crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are more than three times as likely to
be stopped and arrested than whites, although the conviction rate for
whites is higher), more of them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils in schools, compared to whites in the
same schools.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my
family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor who
died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point. Does
that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply that most
of them were very poor?
On 23/07/2023 15:52, jon wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:08:57 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and highHowever, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector >>>>> of the population is over-represented compared to the general
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such
as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see >>>>> how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans
and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking.
White males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual
grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a group
activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of street
crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are
more than three times as likely to be stopped and arrested than
whites, although the conviction rate for whites is higher), more of
them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils
in schools, compared to whites in the same schools.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my
family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor
who died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point.
Does that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply
that most of them were very poor?
There is a stronger gang culture amongst no-hopers, with no resident
fathers at home.
That is entirely possible, whatever their ethnicity.
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such
as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see
how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural. >>>
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:23:16 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 15:52, jon wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:08:57 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector >>>>>> of the population is over-represented compared to the general
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:Only if you don't like the numbers.
Statistics don't lie:As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics >>>>>>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner- >>> city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such >>>>>> as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see >>>>>> how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to >>>>> culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school >>>>> dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, >>>>> simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is >>>> only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans
and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking.
White males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual
grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a group
activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of street
crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are
more than three times as likely to be stopped and arrested than
whites, although the conviction rate for whites is higher), more of
them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils
in schools, compared to whites in the same schools.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my >>>> family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor
who died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point.
Does that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply
that most of them were very poor?
There is a stronger gang culture amongst no-hopers, with no resident
fathers at home.
That is entirely possible, whatever their ethnicity.
That seems to be the dominant business model for negroes.
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
sector of the population is over-represented compared to the
general population. For that you need to include the drivers of
crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the
figures and see how that sector is represented among that part of
the population affected by those. Statistics that don't include
those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:Only if you don't like the numbers.
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics >>>>>>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
sector of the population is over-represented compared to the
general population. For that you need to include the drivers of
crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the
figures and see how that sector is represented among that part of
the population affected by those. Statistics that don't include
those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down
to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free
school dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned
to show the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But
there aren't, simply because it's an established fact that is
criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but agree
for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried out by
Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:Only if you don't like the numbers.
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to >>>>>>>>>> Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics >>>>>>>>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
sector of the population is over-represented compared to the
general population. For that you need to include the drivers of >>>>>>>> crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the >>>>>>>> figures and see how that sector is represented among that part >>>>>>>> of the population affected by those. Statistics that don't
include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from
the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it >>>>>>> down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free
school dinners as a child there would be many studies
commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an ethnic >>>>>>> bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an established fact
that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime.
Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka
culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but
agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried out by
Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated that
there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of gun crime by
ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they can't say whether gun
crime is predominantly the preserve of one particular ethnic group, I
am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and
boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per
cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per
cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of making
any meaningful comment.
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:Only if you don't like the numbers.
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to >>>>>>>>> Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics >>>>>>>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
sector of the population is over-represented compared to the
general population. For that you need to include the drivers of
crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the >>>>>>> figures and see how that sector is represented among that part of >>>>>>> the population affected by those. Statistics that don't include
those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the >>>>>> likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down
to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free
school dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned >>>>>> to show the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But
there aren't, simply because it's an established fact that is
criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka
culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but agree
for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried out by
Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated that there
is insufficient data to break down the incidence of gun crime by
ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they can't say whether gun
crime is predominantly the preserve of one particular ethnic group, I am
not going to speculate.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:23:16 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 15:52, jon wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:08:57 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector >>>>>> of the population is over-represented compared to the general
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:Only if you don't like the numbers.
Statistics don't lie:As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics >>>>>>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner- >>> city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such >>>>>> as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see >>>>>> how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to >>>>> culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school >>>>> dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, >>>>> simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is >>>> only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans
and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking.
White males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual
grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a group
activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of street
crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are
more than three times as likely to be stopped and arrested than
whites, although the conviction rate for whites is higher), more of
them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils
in schools, compared to whites in the same schools.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my >>>> family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor
who died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point.
Does that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply
that most of them were very poor?
There is a stronger gang culture amongst no-hopers, with no resident
fathers at home.
That is entirely possible, whatever their ethnicity.
That seems to be the dominant business model for negroes.
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
sector of the population is over-represented compared to the
general population. For that you need to include the drivers of
crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the
figures and see how that sector is represented among that part of
the population affected by those. Statistics that don't include
those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to Disraeli: >>>>> There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such
as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see
how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking. White
males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual grooming, but
Asian males are more likely to do so as a group activity. The prevalence
of black males being convicted of street crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are more than three times as likely to
be stopped and arrested than whites, although the conviction rate for
whites is higher), more of them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils in schools, compared to whites in the
same schools.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my
family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor who
died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point. Does
that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply that most
of them were very poor?
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such
as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see
how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural. >>>
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
If you see sir Somecunt OrOther on a companies letterhead, steer well
clear.
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
You are subscribing to the usual statistical fallacy. Repeat after me: "Correlation does not imply causation."
If you not careful, you will say something indicative of your state of
mind, like "Sending more fire engines to a blaze causes it to be bigger".
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:43:35 -0700, NOT Michael EjercitoOf course not, for I am a MAN!
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:Still pissed off that they refuse to stick it in you?
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
Has ape Chrissie Morton stuck it in YOU yet, gook?
#gookejershito
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to
crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
On 24/07/2023 13:24, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
sector of the population is over-represented compared to the
general population. For that you need to include the drivers of
crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the
figures and see how that sector is represented among that part of
the population affected by those. Statistics that don't include
those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East
Europeans and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people
trafficking. White males are by far the most likely to be involved in
sexual grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a group
activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of street
crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are
more than three times as likely to be stopped and arrested than
whites, although the conviction rate for whites is higher), more of
them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils
in schools, compared to whites in the same schools.
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to
crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
What cultures lead to the street gangs of 19th century London, or the
Tongs of mid-20th century Glasgow?
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in
my family tree having been transported there. I have a direct
ancestor who died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at
some point. Does that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is
it simply that most of them were very poor?
On 24/07/2023 12:39, GB wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka culture,
that determines the likelihood of criminality?
You are subscribing to the usual statistical fallacy. Repeat after me:
"Correlation does not imply causation."
If you not careful, you will say something indicative of your state of
mind, like "Sending more fire engines to a blaze causes it to be bigger".
I'm not subscribing to anything.
The figures came from The Telegraph, and while I also subscribe to the "Correlation does not imply causation", the stats are so extreme I'm not convinced it matters. The sole explanation that it's down to "drivers of crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment" doesn't wash,
where other ethnic groups suffer similarly yet don't feel the need to
resort to gun crime.
If you feel obliged to look at a clear sky and convince yourself it's
pink because colour is culturally sensitive then that does say quite a
bit about one's state of mind.
On 24/07/2023 14:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
If you see sir Somecunt OrOther on a companies letterhead, steer well:)
clear.
Is there anybody you approve of?
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular sector
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
of the population is over-represented compared to the general
population. For that you need to include the drivers of crime, such
as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see
how that sector is represented among that part of the population
affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can and
probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural. >>>
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture is
only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East Europeans
and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people trafficking.
White males are by far the most likely to be involved in sexual
grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a group
activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of street
crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are
more than three times as likely to be stopped and arrested than
whites, although the conviction rate for whites is higher), more of
them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils
in schools, compared to whites in the same schools.
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to
crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
I have several distant cousins in Australia, due to seven people in my
family tree having been transported there. I have a direct ancestor
who died in Newgate Prison and several who served time at some point.
Does that make me culturally prone to criminality, or is it simply
that most of them were very poor?
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular >>>>>>>>> sector of the population is over-represented compared to the >>>>>>>>> general population. For that you need to include the drivers of >>>>>>>>> crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in >>>>>>>>> the figures and see how that sector is represented among that >>>>>>>>> part of the population affected by those. Statistics that don't >>>>>>>>> include those can and probably do lie.
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:Only if you don't like the numbers.
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to >>>>>>>>>>> Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics >>>>>>>>>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from >>>>>>>> the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it >>>>>>>> down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free
school dinners as a child there would be many studies
commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an
ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an
established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime.
Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka
culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but
agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried out
by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated that
there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of gun crime
by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they can't say whether
gun crime is predominantly the preserve of one particular ethnic
group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and
boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual
offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per
cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per
cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of making
any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent crimes,
the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is not recorded in
all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the police recognise when the
sample space is too small to produce any meaningful data.
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to >>>>>>>>>>>> Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and
statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed. >>>>>>>>>> However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular >>>>>>>>>> sector of the population is over-represented compared to the >>>>>>>>>> general population. For that you need to include the drivers >>>>>>>>>> of crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, >>>>>>>>>> in the figures and see how that sector is represented among >>>>>>>>>> that part of the population affected by those. Statistics that >>>>>>>>>> don't include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from >>>>>>>>> the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put >>>>>>>>> it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free >>>>>>>>> school dinners as a child there would be many studies
commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an
ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an
established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high >>>>>>>> unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime.
Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. >>>>>>>
culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but
agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried out
by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated that
there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of gun crime
by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they can't say whether
gun crime is predominantly the preserve of one particular ethnic
group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men
and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and
sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54
per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67
per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of making
any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent
crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is not
recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the police
recognise when the sample space is too small to produce any meaningful
data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of the criminals, can they?
On 24/07/2023 13:24, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to
culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school
dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't,
simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East
Europeans and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people
trafficking. White males are by far the most likely to be involved in
sexual grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a group
activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of street
crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are
more than three times as likely to be stopped and arrested than
whites, although the conviction rate for whites is higher), more of
them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils
in schools, compared to whites in the same schools.
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to
crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
What cultures lead to the street gangs of 19th century London, or the
Tongs of mid-20th century Glasgow?
On 24/07/2023 14:22, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 13:24, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:Only if you don't like the numbers.
Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, to
Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics >>>>>>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
sector of the population is over-represented compared to the
general population. For that you need to include the drivers of
crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, in the
figures and see how that sector is represented among that part of
the population affected by those. Statistics that don't include
those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down
to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free
school dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned
to show the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But
there aren't, simply because it's an established fact that is
criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East
Europeans and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people
trafficking. White males are by far the most likely to be involved
in sexual grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a
group activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of
street crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police
(blacks are more than three times as likely to be stopped and
arrested than whites, although the conviction rate for whites is
higher), more of them living in areas of poverty and
under-achievement of black pupils in schools, compared to whites in
the same schools.
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to
crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
What cultures lead to the street gangs of 19th century London, or the
Tongs of mid-20th century Glasgow?
It would be difficult to assert that those gangs formed any sort of
majority of the 'poor and unemployed.
Factional street theft gangs usually have some sort of 'mastermind' e.g
Fagin types.
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, >>>>>>>>>>>>> to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed. >>>>>>>>>>> However, that does not look into the reasons why a particular >>>>>>>>>>> sector of the population is over-represented compared to the >>>>>>>>>>> general population. For that you need to include the drivers >>>>>>>>>>> of crime, such as poverty, inequality and high unemployment, >>>>>>>>>>> in the figures and see how that sector is represented among >>>>>>>>>>> that part of the population affected by those. Statistics >>>>>>>>>>> that don't include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from >>>>>>>>>> the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put >>>>>>>>>> it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free >>>>>>>>>> school dinners as a child there would be many studies
commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an >>>>>>>>>> ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an
established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high >>>>>>>>> unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime.
Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. >>>>>>>>
culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but
agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried out >>>>>> by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated that
there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of gun crime
by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they can't say
whether gun crime is predominantly the preserve of one particular
ethnic group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men
and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and
sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54
per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes,
67 per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of
making any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent
crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is not
recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the police
recognise when the sample space is too small to produce any
meaningful data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of the
criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be recorded against the crime in the statistics.
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:particular sector of the population is over-represented >>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to the general population. For that you need to >>>>>>>>>>>>> include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, inequality >>>>>>>>>>>>> and high unemployment, in the figures and see how that >>>>>>>>>>>>> sector is represented among that part of the population >>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can >>>>>>>>>>>>> and probably do lie.
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that does not look into the reasons why a
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons >>>>>>>>>>>> from the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not >>>>>>>>>>>> simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received >>>>>>>>>>>> free school dinners as a child there would be many studies >>>>>>>>>>>> commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an >>>>>>>>>>>> ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an
established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and >>>>>>>>>>> high unemployment are proven factors in why people commit >>>>>>>>>>> crime. Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime >>>>>>>>>>> they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka >>>>>>>>>> culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but >>>>>>>> agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried >>>>>>>> out by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated that >>>>>>> there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of gun
crime by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they can't
say whether gun crime is predominantly the preserve of one
particular ethnic group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men >>>>>> and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and >>>>>> sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 >>>>>> per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, >>>>>> 67 per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of
making any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent
crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is not
recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the police
recognise when the sample space is too small to produce any
meaningful data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of
the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to recall
things that might help the police.
Wouldn't that make them a bit easy to spot?
Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 13:24, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons from the
likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not simply put it down to >>>>> culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free school >>>>> dinners as a child there would be many studies commissioned to show
the correlation of the two without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, >>>>> simply because it's an established fact that is criminality is
cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and high
unemployment are proven factors in why people commit crime. Culture
is only proven to affect the types of crime they commit. East
Europeans and Chinese are the most likely to be involved in people
trafficking. White males are by far the most likely to be involved in
sexual grooming, but Asian males are more likely to do so as a group
activity. The prevalence of black males being convicted of street
crime is thought to be dues to racial bias in the police (blacks are
more than three times as likely to be stopped and arrested than
whites, although the conviction rate for whites is higher), more of
them living in areas of poverty and under-achievement of black pupils
in schools, compared to whites in the same schools.
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to
crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
What cultures lead to the street gangs of 19th century London, or the
Tongs of mid-20th century Glasgow?
The cultures that existed in those cities at the time, of course.
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:particular sector of the population is over-represented >>>>>>>>>>>> compared to the general population. For that you need to >>>>>>>>>>>> include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, inequality >>>>>>>>>>>> and high unemployment, in the figures and see how that >>>>>>>>>>>> sector is represented among that part of the population >>>>>>>>>>>> affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can >>>>>>>>>>>> and probably do lie.
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly mistakenly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, that does not look into the reasons why a
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons >>>>>>>>>>> from the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not
simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received free >>>>>>>>>>> school dinners as a child there would be many studies
commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an >>>>>>>>>>> ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an
established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and >>>>>>>>>> high unemployment are proven factors in why people commit
crime. Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime >>>>>>>>>> they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka >>>>>>>>> culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, but >>>>>>> agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly carried
out by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks?
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated that
there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of gun
crime by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they can't say >>>>>> whether gun crime is predominantly the preserve of one particular
ethnic group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men >>>>> and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and
sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54
per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes,
67 per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of
making any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent
crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is not
recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the police
recognise when the sample space is too small to produce any
meaningful data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of
the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
Wouldn't that make them a bit easy to spot?
Non-indigenous non-white
'culltures'
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:38:53 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 13:24, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to
crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
What cultures lead to the street gangs of 19th century London, or the
Tongs of mid-20th century Glasgow?
The cultures that existed in those cities at the time, of course.
Non-indigenous non-white 'culltures' that had no business being there
in the first place.
#gookejershito
On 24/07/2023 05:39 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly
mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that does not look into the reasons why a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular sector of the population is over-represented >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to the general population. For that you need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, inequality >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and high unemployment, in the figures and see how that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sector is represented among that part of the population >>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by those. Statistics that don't include those can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not >>>>>>>>>>>>> simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received >>>>>>>>>>>>> free school dinners as a child there would be many studies >>>>>>>>>>>>> commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an >>>>>>>>>>>>> ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an >>>>>>>>>>>>> established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and >>>>>>>>>>>> high unemployment are proven factors in why people commit >>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime >>>>>>>>>>>> they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka >>>>>>>>>>> culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality?
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, >>>>>>>>> but agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly
carried out by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks? >>>>>>>>>
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated
that there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of >>>>>>>> gun crime by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they
can't say whether gun crime is predominantly the preserve of one >>>>>>>> particular ethnic group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 >>>>>>> men and boys who police took action against for a range of
violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes,
54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun
crimes, 67 per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of
making any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent
crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is not >>>>>> recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the police
recognise when the sample space is too small to produce any
meaningful data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of
the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as
probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to recall
things that might help the police.
Wouldn't that make them a bit easy to spot?
Your position is puzzling.
Are you seriously saying that when someone is robbed at knifepoint (or
worse) in the street, they cannot tell whether the perpetrator was white
or black?
Or is it perhaps that they cannot be trusted to be truthful over it?
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of
the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to recall
things that might help the police.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:38:53 -0700, NOT Michael EjercitoMangina, it is immoral for you to call me a gook.
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 13:24, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
The majority of people who are 'poor and unemployed' do not resort to >>>>> crime, this is a myth perpetuated by sociologists. It is just that
certain cultures are more predisposed to crime.
What cultures lead to the street gangs of 19th century London, or the
Tongs of mid-20th century Glasgow?
The cultures that existed in those cities at the time, of course.
Non-indigenous non-white 'culltures' that had no business being there
in the first place.
#gookejershito
You are a Nazi.
As a Nazi, you are, above all else
Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of
the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as
probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to recall
things that might help the police.
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote
about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:50 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:If they survive, that helps them.
Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of >>>>>> the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as
probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to recall
things that might help the police.
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
As if that's going to help them.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote
about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
Who giives a shit what the dumb ape wrote, gook? He was part of the
problem.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:50 -0700, NOT Michael EjercitoIf they survive, that helps them.
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of >>>>>>> the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as
probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to recall >>>> things that might help the police.
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
As if that's going to help them.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote
about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
Who giives a shit what the dumb ape wrote, gook? He was part of the
problem.
Nithing, there is nothing ape about Chris, and he never murdered
anyone.
He greatly influenced my own political views since April 26, 1996!
You are a nithing
Has somebody stopped taking their meds, perhaps?
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:53:19 +0100, jB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:
Has somebody stopped taking their meds, perhaps?
Is that you again, jewboi? I thought you'd disappeared.
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:08:05 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:They survived.
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:50 -0700, NOT Michael EjercitoIf they survive, that helps them.
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
As if that's going to help them.
How does it help them? They're only going to become beneficaries of
the NEXT incident.
It is immoral for you to call Chris an ape or a gook.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote >>>> about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
Who giives a shit what the dumb ape wrote, gook? He was part of the
problem.
Nithing, there is nothing ape about Chris, and he never murdered
anyone.
Needledick, you can adore and worship the ape all you like
was part of the problem simply by being black.Skin color is a superficial characteristic.
There is nothing blank about my mind.He greatly influenced my own political views since April 26, 1996!
Your BLANK Oriental MIND will ALWAYS be greatly influenced by the last
person you speak with, for nature abhors a vacuum.
You are a nithing
You are a gook.
#gookejershito
Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of
the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as
probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to recall
things that might help the police.
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/chicago-three-big-reasons-why-murder-city-usa-is-so-unsafe/#comment-2836333
I’ll give you three reasons, having lived there until I joined the Army:
1. The city “government” is as corrupt as any you’ll find in the third world. Members of the city council are in bed with the major gangs.
2. The police department is as corrupt as the “government”, considering itself wholly outside the law. Until relatively recently, there was a
home invasion, burglary and kidnapping ring operating INSIDE the most “elite” unit in the department.
3. The population obviously LIKES these things, since they’ve been
voting for them since before my grandmother moved there from Nashville… BEFORE WWI.
Black Chicagoans elected and reelected Richard M. Daley for something
like twenty+ years, DESPITE the fact that he profited politically from
an organized torture ring operating INSIDE the Chicago PD. Most of the
known victims of said ring were NOT Norwegian…
Chicago is what it is because the Chicagoans WANT it that way. Sucks to
be them.
On 24/07/2023 17:53, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 05:39 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that does not look into the reasons why a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular sector of the population is over-represented >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to the general population. For that you need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, inequality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and high unemployment, in the figures and see how that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sector is represented among that part of the population >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by those. Statistics that don't include those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free school dinners as a child there would be many studies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commissioned to show the correlation of the two without an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because it's an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> established fact that is criminality is cultural.
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and >>>>>>>>>>>>> high unemployment are proven factors in why people commit >>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime >>>>>>>>>>>>> they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, aka >>>>>>>>>>>> culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality? >>>>>>>>>>>>
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, >>>>>>>>>> but agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly >>>>>>>>>> carried out by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks? >>>>>>>>>>
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated >>>>>>>>> that there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of >>>>>>>>> gun crime by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they >>>>>>>>> can't say whether gun crime is predominantly the preserve of >>>>>>>>> one particular ethnic group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 >>>>>>>> men and boys who police took action against for a range of
violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, >>>>>>>> 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun
crimes, 67 per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of >>>>>>>> making any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent
crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is
not recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the
police recognise when the sample space is too small to produce
any meaningful data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity of >>>>>> the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as
probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to
recall things that might help the police.
Wouldn't that make them a bit easy to spot?
Your position is puzzling.
Are you seriously saying that when someone is robbed at knifepoint (or
worse) in the street, they cannot tell whether the perpetrator was
white or black?
Or is it perhaps that they cannot be trusted to be truthful over it?
There have been many studies carried out to determine the accuracy of
recall of witnesses to events and they all concluded that their memory
is unreliable at the best of times. Studies of people subject to violent episodes, both as a result of crime and of conflict, show that their
short term memory is affected and they may even suffer complete amnesia
of the event. In general, dominant and extrovert personalities are the
least likely to be affected, while submissive and introvert
personalities are the most likely to be affected. So, even if they do
see whether their attacker is black or white, some may be completely
unable to recall that after the event. Their mind is shielding them from
the trauma.
On 24/07/2023 18:33, Michael Ejercito wrote:
Colin Bignell wrote:It's coming to London as we speak.
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However, the
main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as well as
probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying to
recall things that might help the police.
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton,
wrote about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/chicago-three-big-reasons-why-murder-city-usa-is-so-unsafe/#comment-2836333
I’ll give you three reasons, having lived there until I joined the Army: >> 1. The city “government” is as corrupt as any you’ll find in the third >> world. Members of the city council are in bed with the major gangs.
2. The police department is as corrupt as the “government”,
considering itself wholly outside the law. Until relatively recently,
there was a home invasion, burglary and kidnapping ring operating
INSIDE the most “elite” unit in the department.
3. The population obviously LIKES these things, since they’ve been
voting for them since before my grandmother moved there from
Nashville… BEFORE WWI.
Black Chicagoans elected and reelected Richard M. Daley for something
like twenty+ years, DESPITE the fact that he profited politically from
an organized torture ring operating INSIDE the Chicago PD. Most of the
known victims of said ring were NOT Norwegian…
Chicago is what it is because the Chicagoans WANT it that way. Sucks
to be them.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/07/2023 18:33, Michael Ejercito wrote:How do you deduce that?
Colin Bignell wrote:It's coming to London as we speak.
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However,
the main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as
well as probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying
to recall things that might help the police.
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton,
wrote about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/chicago-three-big-reasons-why-murder-city-usa-is-so-unsafe/#comment-2836333
I’ll give you three reasons, having lived there until I joined the Army: >>> 1. The city “government” is as corrupt as any you’ll find in the
third world. Members of the city council are in bed with the major
gangs.
2. The police department is as corrupt as the “government”,
considering itself wholly outside the law. Until relatively recently,
there was a home invasion, burglary and kidnapping ring operating
INSIDE the most “elite” unit in the department.
3. The population obviously LIKES these things, since they’ve been
voting for them since before my grandmother moved there from
Nashville… BEFORE WWI.
Black Chicagoans elected and reelected Richard M. Daley for something
like twenty+ years, DESPITE the fact that he profited politically
from an organized torture ring operating INSIDE the Chicago PD. Most
of the known victims of said ring were NOT Norwegian…
Chicago is what it is because the Chicagoans WANT it that way. Sucks
to be them.
Is there probable cause to believe that more corruption is coming?
Michael
On 25/07/2023 16:45, Michael Ejercito wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:Yes. Sadiq Khan is bent as a five bob note and Ulez income is all going
On 24/07/2023 18:33, Michael Ejercito wrote:How do you deduce that?
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.It's coming to London as we speak.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton,
wrote about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/chicago-three-big-reasons-why-murder-city-usa-is-so-unsafe/#comment-2836333
I’ll give you three reasons, having lived there until I joined the
Army:
1. The city “government” is as corrupt as any you’ll find in the >>>> third world. Members of the city council are in bed with the major
gangs.
2. The police department is as corrupt as the “government”,
considering itself wholly outside the law. Until relatively
recently, there was a home invasion, burglary and kidnapping ring
operating INSIDE the most “elite” unit in the department.
3. The population obviously LIKES these things, since they’ve been
voting for them since before my grandmother moved there from
Nashville… BEFORE WWI.
Black Chicagoans elected and reelected Richard M. Daley for
something like twenty+ years, DESPITE the fact that he profited
politically from an organized torture ring operating INSIDE the
Chicago PD. Most of the known victims of said ring were NOT Norwegian… >>>>
Chicago is what it is because the Chicagoans WANT it that way. Sucks
to be them.
Is there probable cause to believe that more corruption is coming?
into his chums pockets
On 24/07/2023 07:07 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 17:53, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 05:39 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has changed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that does not look into the reasons why a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular sector of the population is over-represented >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to the general population. For that you need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how that sector is represented among that part of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> population affected by those. Statistics that don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include those can and probably do lie.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit prisons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the likes of gun crime disproportionately, why not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free school dinners as a child there would be many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> studies commissioned to show the correlation of the two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> high unemployment are proven factors in why people commit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime. Culture is only proven to affect the types of crime >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, >>>>>>>>>>>>> aka culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, >>>>>>>>>>> but agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly >>>>>>>>>>> carried out by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks? >>>>>>>>>>>
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated >>>>>>>>>> that there is insufficient data to break down the incidence of >>>>>>>>>> gun crime by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If they >>>>>>>>>> can't say whether gun crime is predominantly the preserve of >>>>>>>>>> one particular ethnic group, I am not going to speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 >>>>>>>>> men and boys who police took action against for a range of
violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, >>>>>>>>> 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun >>>>>>>>> crimes, 67 per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of >>>>>>>>> making any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent >>>>>>>> crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is >>>>>>>> not recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the
police recognise when the sample space is too small to produce >>>>>>>> any meaningful data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity
of the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However,
the main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as
well as probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on trying
to recall things that might help the police.
Wouldn't that make them a bit easy to spot?
Your position is puzzling.
Are you seriously saying that when someone is robbed at knifepoint
(or worse) in the street, they cannot tell whether the perpetrator
was white or black?
Or is it perhaps that they cannot be trusted to be truthful over it?
There have been many studies carried out to determine the accuracy of
recall of witnesses to events and they all concluded that their memory
is unreliable at the best of times. Studies of people subject to
violent episodes, both as a result of crime and of conflict, show that
their short term memory is affected and they may even suffer complete
amnesia of the event. In general, dominant and extrovert personalities
are the least likely to be affected, while submissive and introvert
personalities are the most likely to be affected. So, even if they do
see whether their attacker is black or white, some may be completely
unable to recall that after the event. Their mind is shielding them
from the trauma.
Any actual data?
Or just those vague aspersions, blaming the victims (and witnesses)?
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:08:05 -0700, NOT Michael EjercitoThey survived.
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:50 -0700, NOT Michael EjercitoIf they survive, that helps them.
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
Likely because the victiums are trying to avoid getting shot.
As if that's going to help them.
How does it help them? They're only going to become beneficaries of
the NEXT incident.
The series Surviving Evil features stories of people who survived
violent crime.
It is immoral for you to call Chris an ape or a gook.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote >>>>> about the culture in Chicago in August of 2016.
Who giives a shit what the dumb ape wrote, gook? He was part of the
problem.
Nithing, there is nothing ape about Chris, and he never murdered
anyone.
Needledick, you can adore and worship the ape all you like
I can understand why people would be tempted to worship him. But I
remember there is only one Perfect Man, and we nailed Him to a cross.
, he is and
was part of the problem simply by being black.Skin color is a superficial characteristic.
There is nothing blank about my mind.
He greatly influenced my own political views since April 26, 1996!
Your BLANK Oriental MIND will ALWAYS be greatly influenced by the last
person you speak with, for nature abhors a vacuum.
It is immoral for you to call me an ape or a gook.
You are a nithing
You are a gook.
#gookejershito
It is immoral for you to call anyone apes or gooks.
The following article explains your pathology.
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/03/11/historys_oldest_hatred/
History's oldest hatred
By Jeff Jacoby
On 25/07/2023 16:47, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 07:07 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 17:53, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 05:39 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 16:48, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 04:19 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 14:54, JNugent wrote:
On 24/07/2023 12:10 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:35, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 09:25, Fredxx wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:36, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 24/07/2023 08:13, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 14:08, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 12:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/07/2023 10:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 23/07/2023 07:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/07/2023 23:39, Colin Bignell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/07/2023 23:13, Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics don't lie:However, that does not look into the reasons why a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular sector of the population is over-represented >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to the general population. For that you need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to include the drivers of crime, such as poverty, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inequality and high unemployment, in the figures and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see how that sector is represented among that part of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the population affected by those. Statistics that don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include those can and probably do lie.
As Mark Twain wrote, attributing it, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakenly, to Disraeli:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics
Only if you don't like the numbers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html
The article is 13 years old, but I doubt much has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed.
Given that other ethnic minorities do not inhabit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prisons from the likes of gun crime disproportionately, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not simply put it down to culture?
If it was purely down to say whether a criminal received >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free school dinners as a child there would be many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> studies commissioned to show the correlation of the two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without an ethnic bias. But there aren't, simply because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's an established fact that is criminality is cultural. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That is far too simplistic a view. Poverty, inequality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and high unemployment are proven factors in why people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit crime. Culture is only proven to affect the types >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of crime they commit.
Is that an admission that it is predominantly ethnicity, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aka culture, that determines the likelihood of criminality? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
So your saying the quantity of crime is independent on race, >>>>>>>>>>>> but agree for example, white collar crime is predominantly >>>>>>>>>>>> carried out by Caucasian and gun crime predominantly by blacks? >>>>>>>>>>>>
In response to a FOI request, the Metropolitan Police stated >>>>>>>>>>> that there is insufficient data to break down the incidence >>>>>>>>>>> of gun crime by ethnicity, even over a ten year period. If >>>>>>>>>>> they can't say whether gun crime is predominantly the
preserve of one particular ethnic group, I am not going to >>>>>>>>>>> speculate.
Is the Telegraph making this up?
I have no idea.
"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 >>>>>>>>>> men and boys who police took action against for a range of >>>>>>>>>> violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.
They show that among those proceeded against for street
crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and >>>>>>>>>> for gun crimes, 67 per cent."
Perhaps, like yourself, the Metropolitan Police are fearful of >>>>>>>>>> making any meaningful comment.
Gun and knife crime in the Met account for around 2% of violent >>>>>>>>> crimes, the majority of those are knife crime and ethnicity is >>>>>>>>> not recorded in all cases. Perhaps, unlike a journalist, the >>>>>>>>> police recognise when the sample space is too small to produce >>>>>>>>> any meaningful data.
And the victims and witnesses can never recognise the ethnicity >>>>>>>> of the criminals, can they?
Even if the do, there is no guarantee that information will be
recorded against the crime in the statistics.
*if*?
Are they all dressed up in SAS attire?
A hoodie with a scarf over the face seems more probable. However,
the main problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. as
well as probably being far more fixated on the weapon than on
trying to recall things that might help the police.
Wouldn't that make them a bit easy to spot?
Your position is puzzling.
Are you seriously saying that when someone is robbed at knifepoint
(or worse) in the street, they cannot tell whether the perpetrator
was white or black?
Or is it perhaps that they cannot be trusted to be truthful over it?
There have been many studies carried out to determine the accuracy of
recall of witnesses to events and they all concluded that their
memory is unreliable at the best of times. Studies of people subject
to violent episodes, both as a result of crime and of conflict, show
that their short term memory is affected and they may even suffer
complete amnesia of the event. In general, dominant and extrovert
personalities are the least likely to be affected, while submissive
and introvert personalities are the most likely to be affected. So,
even if they do see whether their attacker is black or white, some
may be completely unable to recall that after the event. Their mind
is shielding them from the trauma.
Any actual data?
Or just those vague aspersions, blaming the victims (and witnesses)?
Some of the main works on the subject:
Eye witnesses in general:
Clifford B. R., & Scott J. (1978). Individual and situational factors in eyewitness testimony. Journal of Applied Psychology, 63, 352–359.
Clifford B. R., & Hollin C. R. (1981). Effects of the type of incident
and the number of perpetrators on eyewitness memory. Journal of Applied Psychology, 66, 364–370.
Milne R., & Bull R. (1999). Investigative interviewing: Psychology and practice. (Wiley)
Effects of personality on eye witness testimony:
Ward R. A., & Loftus E. F. (1985). Eyewitness performance in different psychological types. The Journal of General Psychology, 112, 191–200.
Liebman J. I., McKinley-Pace M. J., Leonard A.M., Sheesley L. A.,
Gallant C. L., Renkey M. E., & Lehman E. B. (2002). Cognitive and psychological correlates of adult's eyewitness accuracy and
suggestibility. Personality and Individual Differences, 33, 49–66.
Andersen S. M., Carlson C. A., Carlson M. A., & Gronlund S. D. (2014). Individual differences predict eyewitness identification performance. Personality and Individual Differences, 60, 36–40
Pires R., Silva D. R., & Ferreira A. S. (2013). Personality styles and suggestibility: A differential approach. Personality and Individual Differences, 55, 381–386.
One-third of child sex abuse in Poland is committed by priests
https://international.la-croix.com/news/religion/one-third-of-child-sex-abuse-in-poland-is-committed-by-priests/14732
SHOOSH!
Such FILTHY PAEDO PRIESTS innit!
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 14:45:01 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells", farted again:
<jew spam b'rissed>
Fuck orf, jewboi.I'm afraid
Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 23 22:13:36 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily marriedHe is just jealous of me and Chris!
gay
neo-nazitard, now STRUTTING around as Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg, whined
again:
Statistics don't lie:
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
Forever unable to get your superiors out of your sick gay neo-nazi
head, you
abysmally stupid ridiculous gay neo-nazitard? LOL
Michael
On 7/27/2023 12:05 PM, Michael Ejercito wrote:
Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 23 22:13:36 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily marriedHe is just jealous of me and Chris!
gay
neo-nazitard, now STRUTTING around as Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg, whined
again:
Statistics don't lie:
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
Forever unable to get your superiors out of your sick gay neo-nazi
head, you
abysmally stupid ridiculous gay neo-nazitard? LOL
Michael
Why would anyone be jealous of a gook and a spook? The only thing
lower on the social ladder is a jew.
Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg wrote:
On 7/27/2023 12:05 PM, Michael Ejercito wrote:They are all better than you!
Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 23 22:13:36 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married >>>> gayHe is just jealous of me and Chris!
neo-nazitard, now STRUTTING around as Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg, whined >>>> again:
Statistics don't lie:
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
Forever unable to get your superiors out of your sick gay neo-nazi
head, you
abysmally stupid ridiculous gay neo-nazitard? LOL
Michael
Why would anyone be jealous of a gook and a spook? The only thing
lower on the social ladder is a jew.
Michael
Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 23 22:13:36 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay >> neo-nazitard, now STRUTTING around as Carolyn Jean Swikard Berg, whinedHe is just jealous of me and Chris!
again:
Statistics don't lie:
https://niggermania.club/tom/newstuff/london%20nigger%20crimes.jpg
Forever unable to get your superiors out of your sick gay neo-nazi head, you >> abysmally stupid ridiculous gay neo-nazitard? LOL
Michael
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