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On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 11:52:12 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

Между другото познати от Бостън ми дадоха много ценна информаия за тези
двамцата, но НЕ няма да ви я дам, защото нямам тяхното разрешение.

Някаква глупава измишльотина дето можеш да съобщиш без да споменаваш
имена и детайли, ама си знаеш че е някаква конспирация сигурно и още
се престискваш..

И стига с тази невежа тъпотия антиваксър! Как е антиваксър човек,...

..
... който е невеж, тъп и често с претенции..

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Am 18.11.2021 um 08:48 schrieb Радостина:

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 4:34:06 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 2:52:13 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 10:59:31 AM UTC-8, ИлиевBG wrote: >> ...
но отказва тази експериментана течност за което вече е ясно
че нито работи

Напротив, работи доста добре, както може да се види нагледно по броя на починалите в
страни с ниска и висока ваксинация иначе с подобно ниво на заразени.

Ха ха ха ха ха...
ох умрях от смях, аз току що ти я дадох тази статистика.
Във Великобритания, Германия, и много други силно ваксинирани страни умират като мухи,
по 200-300 на ден, а в неваксинирани Конго, Мадагаскар, и другите които изредих има 0 починали
вече от месеци. Масови протести в Австралия, Австрия, Германия...
Там буквално се насажда фашизъм.

А ти защо се срамуваш да си признаеш, че си антиваксърка?

Ами само един тотален невежа може да влага какъвто и да е смисъл в тази дума.
Аз ако те нарека ваксър, какво значи това изобщо? :-)))
Съвсем изкуфяхте, не знам от ваксините ли е, или по рождение сте си такива.

Имам една позната американка, ваксинира се някъде преди 6-7 месеца.
Малко по-възрастна е от мен, има куп болести. Понеже се чудеше дали да си слага бустъра,
й казах да си направи тест за антитела и да види какво ще й кажат.
С триста зора, едва ли не с връзки й рзрешиха да си направи тест за антитела
(а задайте си въпроса защо), чакам резултата с нетърпение.
Ако има достатъчно тела, значи бустр не й трябва, т.е. лъжат за бустъра.
Ако няма достатъчно, значи ваксината неработи и е неефективна :-)

"С триста зора, едва ли не с връзки й рзрешиха да си направи тест за
антитела" Това сериозно ли? Тук всеки който иска може да си направи. И в
БГ е така.

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On 18.11.2021 г. 9:35, Радостина wrote:
...

Само едно мога да кажа - изборите ги спечелиха Америка за България

Това добре ли е или зле ? За теб ? За България ?


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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:46:05 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

В страните, които са 80-90% ваксинирани, ковид трябваше да изчезне,
нищо такова не се наблюдава дори напротив.

Вече поне от два месеца (може и повече) пиша тук, че ваксините няма да
спрат разпространяването но вируса. Както казах, не обсъждаме това.

интересно тогава, защо тъпо и упорито продължаваш да ги наричаш ваксини?

справи ли се там с дефиницията за ваксина?

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On 19.11.2021 г. 4:57, Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 4:08:58 AM UTC-8, N Kostoff wrote:

On 18.11.2021 г. 9:35, Радостина wrote:
...

Само едно мога да кажа - изборите ги спечелиха Америка за България

Това добре ли е или зле ? За теб ? За България ?

От моя гледна точка е много зле за България.
Може би е добре за Кирчо и за САЩ.
Както казах, всеки сам преценява.
Я виж ти какво ми излезе във notifications, ха тъкмо навреме.
https://trud.bg/%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0/
Те имат дори още повече информаия :-), какво друго доказателство ви трябва,
те са на една хранилка.

Да, верно. Труд са на хранилка на Герб.

Аз мога да обясня защо СПОРЕД МЕН това е зле за България.
Съвсем сериозно, без лигавщини.
Де факто с помощта на американците беше извършен нов преврат в България.
Смениха се стари муцуни с нови, но всичко останало продължава,
сменяме ваште хора с наште, не промяната, подмяната продължава.
ПП просто изяде електората на ИТН, Мая Манолова и ДБ.
ПП са, както един приятел се изрази, “внучетата” на ДС.
Те ще прокарват ЧУЖДА политика, в разрез с интересите на БГ.
Ще клекнат за Северна Македония, ще приемат Инстанбулската конвенция,
ще приемат еврото без дебати и без допитване до народа, ще въведат задължителна ваксинация.

Пропуснала си, че ще вземат на хората децата и ще ги дадат за
осиновяване в Норвегия.


Понеже говориш за'чужда' политика (назобала си се и ти с тая опорка),
можеш ли да ми дадеш пример кой напоследък е провеждал не-чужда политика
? (Копейкин не се брои, щото още не е бил на власт.)

НК

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 17:30:25 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

селенее ми,

Май си погледнала в огледалото?

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On 20.11.2021 г. 3:30, Радостина wrote:

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:55:32 AM UTC-8, N Kostoff wrote:

Понеже говориш за'чужда' политика (назобала си се и ти с тая опорка),
можеш ли да ми дадеш пример кой напоследък е провеждал не-чужда политика
? (Копейкин не се брои, щото още не е бил на власт.)

Ти сам отговори на въпроса :-)

Не, писах, че този отговор не се приема.

затова гласувах за него.
Поне да му дам шанс. Поне нещо ново.

Ми те и ПП са нещо ново.Що не им даде шан на тях ?

Ако и той ни задгърби и предаде и той ще отиде на бунището.
Но с него поне има шанс.

За какво ?

С другите никакъв.
А в неделя се оказваме в същата ситуация в каквато бяхме тук на президентските избори,
- да избираме между чума и холера,the lesser evil. Докога?
Радев никога не съм го харесвала, селенее ми, но и не бях против него.

Ех, старозагорската аристокрация ...

Откакто се сдружи с Кирчо и иска да въведе зелени сертификати, си промених мнението за него.
Другият изобщо няма да го коментирам, но гербарите и ДПС предполагам ще гласуват за него
и ако останалите не отидат да гласуват, нищо чудно да има изненада, и ще имаме лоша версия на Плевнелиев :-))))).

НК

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:26:11 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 12:37:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:46:05 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

В страните, които са 80-90% ваксинирани, ковид трябваше да изчезне,
нищо такова не се наблюдава дори напротив.

Вече поне от два месеца (може и повече) пиша тук, че ваксините няма
да спрат разпространяването но вируса. Както казах, не обсъждаме
това.

интересно тогава, защо тъпо и упорито продължаваш да ги наричаш
ваксини?

А как да ги наричам?

както искаш – медикамент, лекарство, лекарствен продукт, бабина отвара,
но не и ваксина.

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 17:31:24 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:26:12 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 12:37:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:46:05 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

В страните, които са 80-90% ваксинирани, ковид трябваше да
изчезне, нищо такова не се наблюдава дори напротив.

Вече поне от два месеца (може и повече) пиша тук, че ваксините няма
да спрат разпространяването но вируса. Както казах, не обсъждаме
това.

интересно тогава, защо тъпо и упорито продължаваш да ги наричаш
ваксини?

А как да ги наричам?

Бъркочи Бълвочи Експериментални течности Сиропи ...

е не, чак бълвочи и бъркочи не са, все пак имат някакъв терапевтичен
ефект.

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 07:17:42 -0800 (PST), ИлиевBG wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:24:07 AM UTC+2, Nick wrote:

..............................................

интересно тогава, защо тъпо и упорито продължаваш да ги наричаш
ваксини?

А как да ги наричам?

както искаш – медикамент, лекарство, лекарствен продукт, бабина отвара,
но не и ваксина.

.....................................................

Преди 2 часа до хипермаркета METRO си поставих бустерна доза от
неваксината Moderna. Дадоха ми и ваучер за 20 лева (ако пазарувам за
повече от 50 лева) в същия магазин. Естествено напазарувах за много
повече от 100 лева, вкл. пуйка за Thanksgiving Day, най-марковата ракия
Бургас 63, 10-годишно Irish Whiskey BUSHMILLS, Бира Stella Artois и
Heineken и т.н. и т.н. Да остане и нещо за умните неваксинирани ако тази
бабина отвара бързо ме отнесе.

никъде не съм казвал, че ще ви отнесе. даже написах, че има терапевтичен
ефект.

не ми приписвай(те) думи, които не съм казвал.

и пак да повторя -- това не са ваксини, погледнете дефиницията за такава.

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 09:52:01 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 9:11:06 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

...

и пак да повторя -- това не са ваксини, погледнете дефиницията за
такава.

Според кого, теб?

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired
immunity to a particular infectious disease."

това сменената дефиниция за ваксина от сайта на CDC ли е? че и
дефиницията за имунитет сменихте и се захванахте с епидемиологията и
медицината.

хайде да бъдеш малко по-сериозен.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 13:07:05 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 7:17:43 AM UTC-8, ИлиевBG wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:24:07 AM UTC+2, Nick wrote:
..............................................

интересно тогава, защо тъпо и упорито продължаваш да ги наричаш
ваксини?

А как да ги наричам?

както искаш – медикамент, лекарство, лекарствен продукт, бабина
отвара, но не и ваксина.

.....................................................

Преди 2 часа до хипермаркета METRO си поставих бустерна доза от
неваксината Moderna. Дадоха ми и ваучер за 20 лева (ако пазарувам за
повече от 50 лева) в същия магазин. Естествено напазарувах за много
повече от 100 лева, вкл. пуйка за Thanksgiving Day, най-марковата ракия
Бургас 63, 10-годишно Irish Whiskey BUSHMILLS, Бира Stella Artois и
Heineken и т.н. и т.н. Да остане и нещо за умните неваксинирани ако
тази бабина отвара бързо ме отнесе.

Хайде сега след около месец, за Коледа иди и си направи тест за антитела
и тогава вече можем да говорим.

How long does covid-19 immunity last? https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1605.short

погледни тук.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:00:34 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 12:50:20 PM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 09:52:01 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 9:11:06 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

...

и пак да повторя -- това не са ваксини, погледнете дефиницията за
такава.

Според кого, теб?

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active
acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease."

това сменената дефиниция за ваксина от сайта на CDC ли е? че и
дефиницията за имунитет сменихте и се захванахте с епидемиологията и
медицината.

хайде да бъдеш малко по-сериозен.

Ивайло, както обикновено преписа Уикипедия и се прави на ударен с мокър
парцал :-)
демек пребита змия :-)))

Тотално си изкукуригала.

А, не! Тя е изквакала :-)

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On 20.11.2021 г. 23:04, Радостина wrote:

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 10:47:07 PM UTC-8, N Kostoff wrote:

On 20.11.2021 г. 3:30, Радостина wrote:

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:55:32 AM UTC-8, N Kostoff wrote:

Понеже говориш за'чужда' политика (назобала си се и ти с тая опорка),
можеш ли да ми дадеш пример кой напоследък е провеждал не-чужда политика
? (Копейкин не се брои, щото още не е бил на власт.)

Ти сам отговори на въпроса :-)

Не, писах, че този отговор не се приема.

За теб може и да е неприемлив, за мен е.

затова гласувах за него.
Поне да му дам шанс. Поне нещо ново.

Ми те и ПП са нещо ново.Що не им даде шан на тях ?

Първо, не са нови.
Лицата може да са нови, но политиката им не.
С нищо не се различава от предишните. Предварително е ясно какво ще направят.

Ако и той ни задгърби и предаде и той ще отиде на бунището.
Но с него поне има шанс.

За какво ?

За нормален живот и независима България.

Какво е, според теб, 'нормален' живот ? и как си представяш независима Бг ?

С другите никакъв.
А в неделя се оказваме в същата ситуация в каквато бяхме тук на президентските избори,
- да избираме между чума и холера,the lesser evil. Докога?
Радев никога не съм го харесвала, селенее ми, но и не бях против него.

Ех, старозагорската аристокрация ...

Ами стар римски град.
А и моят ДНК анализ ме върза за Мария Атноанета. :-)))
Тя естествено няма оживели преки наследници, но явно към нейната "кръвна група" :-)

Отделно казах, че до скоро за мен беше приемлив... докато не застана на страната на тиранията.

Откакто се сдружи с Кирчо и иска да въведе зелени сертификати, си промених мнението за него.
Другият изобщо няма да го коментирам, но гербарите и ДПС предполагам ще гласуват за него
и ако останалите не отидат да гласуват, нищо чудно да има изненада, и ще имаме лоша версия на Плевнелиев :-))))).

НК

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:11:52 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

...

Не един, два пъти смениха дефиницията, и на ваксина, и на ваксинация, и
на пандемия....
Да не говорим колко пъти смениха мнението си за маските.

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of >> introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific
disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”
The term “vaccine” also got a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed >> from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce
immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is
used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

Дефиницията според копието на Webster's New World Dictionary ©1988,
което купих преди 31 години, когато пристигнах в САЩ: "any preparation
of microorganisms, living weakened organisms, etc. introduced into the
body to produce immunity to a specific disease by causing the formation
of antibodies."

С какво тази дефиниция се различава съществено от фединицията в
Уикипедия или пък дефиницията на СDC?

погледни сам какви са дефинициите за ваксина и имунитет в момента на CDC.
и какви са били преди.

тази в уикипедия е по-близка до истината, но там ключовата дума е
имунитет и в крайния резултат от прилагането на ваксината.

тези „ваксини“ в момента, вече признаха, че са нестеризилиращи, което
автоматично ги вади от множеството на ваксините. наричай ги лекарство,
медикамент, имуностимулатор или по какъвто друг начин ти харесва, но не и
ваксини.

както вече казах, те имат терапевтичен ефект, който прави използването им
оправдано, но не и по начина, който се налага в момента.

Под вола теле търсите, както обикновено.

ахъм, ахъм, за това все повече хора стигат до това, което съм написал по-
горе.

да не се отметнеш след 6 месеца, че не си писал това, което (ми) пишеш
днес?

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 16:59:25 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 12:50:20 PM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 09:52:01 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 9:11:06 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

...

и пак да повторя -- това не са ваксини, погледнете дефиницията за
такава.

Според кого, теб?

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired
immunity to a particular infectious disease."

това сменената дефиниция за ваксина от сайта на CDC ли е?

Не. Дефиниция за ваксина от сайта на CDC е:
"A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response
against diseases."

че и дефиницията за имунитет сменихте и се захванахте с епидемиологията
и медицината.

Koй и кога е сменил дефиницията на ваксина?!? Някой обаче е сменил
мозъка ти с калчища.

умнико, ти изобщо нямаш мозък, щом задаваш този въпрос. дефиницията е
сменена от CDC.

Why did CDC change its definition for ‘vaccine’? Agency explains move as skeptics lurk

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

а каква е (била) дефиницията за имунитет на CDC:

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it *without becoming infected*.

имаш ли мозък за да схванеш това, което е цитирано?!

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 09:18:42 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease.

Сменили били immunity с protection .....

If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it
*without becoming infected*.

Ми сегашните ваксини са точно такива: можеш да се изложиш
на вируса без да се заразиш.

имаш ли мозък за да схванеш това, което е цитирано?!

Е?

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:24:55 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 17:25:14 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 09:18:42 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease.

Сменили били immunity с protection .....

именно, единият термин не е синоним на другия.

Кьорав или просто си пак репа? Какво пише горе на английски?

If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it *without
becoming infected*.

Ми сегашните ваксини са точно такива: можеш да се изложиш на вируса без
да се заразиш.

еее, чорби, излагаш се. вече е ноторно известно, че и ваксинираните
могат да се заразят повторно, както и да заразяват други хора.

Това как противоречи на "можеш да се изложиш на вируса без
да се заразиш"? И с коя ваксина не е така?

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 17:25:14 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 09:18:42 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease.

Сменили били immunity с protection .....

именно, единият термин не е синоним на другия.

If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it *without
becoming infected*.

Ми сегашните ваксини са точно такива: можеш да се изложиш на вируса без
да се заразиш.

еее, чорби, излагаш се. вече е ноторно известно, че и ваксинираните могат
да се заразят повторно, както и да заразяват други хора.

имаш ли мозък за да схванеш това, което е цитирано?!

Е?

ми нищо, сега на втора (както е казано във вица :)).

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:53:17 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Това как противоречи на "можеш да се изложиш на вируса без да се
заразиш"?

директно противоречи -- сега се излагаш на вируса и можеш да се заразиш.
и след това продължаваш да заразяваш. и всичко това обезсмисля наричането
на тези препарати „ваксини“.

И с коя ваксина не е така?

ами с тази за едра шарка примерно 8-)

виж старата дефиниция за имунитет на CDC и се опитай да я осмислиш.

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:53:17 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Кьорав или просто си пак репа? Какво пише горе на английски?

ами гледаш старата дефиниция. та кьорав или чукча-писатель?

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:53:17 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Кьорав или просто си пак репа? Какво пише горе на английски?

ами гледаш старата дефиниция. та кьорав или чукча-писатель?

Според тази дефиниция immunity е protection.
Ама нали се чудиш как да си оправдаеш конспиративните залитания
и се опитваш тъпо да ни убедиш че черното е бяло..

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 16:01:50 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:53:17 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Това как противоречи на "можеш да се изложиш на вируса без да се
заразиш"?

директно противоречи -- сега се излагаш на вируса и можеш да се
заразиш. и след това продължаваш да заразяваш. и всичко това
обезсмисля наричането на тези препарати „ваксини“.

Глупости. Гънеш се като червей..

И с коя ваксина не е така?

ами с тази за едра шарка примерно 8-)

Дали?
CDC:
Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox
infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was proven
to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a few days
after a person was exposed to the variola virus.

виж старата дефиниция за имунитет на CDC и се опитай да я осмислиш.

Старата като новата, освен ако не виждаш под вола теле..

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 18:29:14 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 10:42:06 AM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:53:17 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Кьорав или просто си пак репа? Какво пише горе на английски?

ами гледаш старата дефиниция. та кьорав или чукча-писатель?

Според тази дефиниция immunity е protection.
Ама нали се чудиш как да си оправдаеш конспиративните залитания и се
опитваш тъпо да ни убедиш че черното е бяло..

Чорби, ти си изключителен тъпанар.

Аз съм си тъп, а ти си глупава.

Immunity е съвсем различно от protection Inoculation, vaccination,
immunization значат съвсем различни неща.

Ник цитира:
Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease.

От там нататък ти си гракай по двора..

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 18:42:04 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:53:17 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Кьорав или просто си пак репа? Какво пише горе на английски?

ами гледаш старата дефиниция. та кьорав или чукча-писатель?

Според тази дефиниция immunity е protection.
Ама нали се чудиш как да си оправдаеш конспиративните залитания и се
опитваш тъпо да ни убедиш че черното е бяло..

да го повторя като теб -- според старата дефиниция, ваксината предизвиква
имунитет във ваксинирания, което означава, че той не може да се зарази
повторно.

според новата дефиниция, ваксината предизвиква само имунен отговор, който
може да не е достатъчен за предотвратяване на повторна инфекция на
ваксинирания, което пък прави безсмислено наричането на тези препарати
ваксини.

а ти тъпо и упорито коментираш старата дефиниция :)

и пак да повторя като за теб -- тези препарати имат терапевтичен ефект,
който оправдава ползването им като такъв, но не оправдава налаганаето им
като ваксини и панацея от пандемията.

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 18:47:51 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 16:01:50 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:53:17 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

Това как противоречи на "можеш да се изложиш на вируса без да се
заразиш"?

директно противоречи -- сега се излагаш на вируса и можеш да се
заразиш. и след това продължаваш да заразяваш. и всичко това обезсмисля
наричането на тези препарати „ваксини“.

Глупости. Гънеш се като червей..

а ти като глист на дневна светлина.

И с коя ваксина не е така?

ами с тази за едра шарка примерно 8-)

Дали?
CDC:
Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox
infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was
proven to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a
few days after a person was exposed to the variola virus.

виж старата дефиниция за имунитет на CDC и се опитай да я осмислиш.

Старата като новата, освен ако не виждаш под вола теле..

ми не, под вола не виждам нищо, но знам какво мога да намеря под бика и
не търся нищо там. но виждам как се променят постепенно твърденията за
ефективността на ваксината срещу корона вируса 8-)

да не правиш разлика между „предизвиква имунитет“ и „предизвиква имунен
отговор“ е признак на невежество по темата.

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 06:08:19 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

да го повторя като теб -- според старата дефиниция, ваксината
предизвиква имунитет във ваксинирания, което означава, че той
не може да се зарази повторно.

Глупости говнориш, щото според CDC:

"Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox
infection in 95% of those vaccinated."

Същото казва и WHO.

Това за "което означава, че той не може да се зарази повторно"
си е твоя измишльотина, щото си чукча нечитател :-P

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