https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:53:16 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:42:49 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:45:32 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

Тази е по-интересна:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-medvedev-warns-nuclear-war-if-russia-defeated-ukraine-2023-01-19/

Защо е казал това, според теб?

Едното е реалност, другото е хипотеза.

Каква хипотеза? Това е изказване на бивш президент и министър-председател, който в момента е на висша длъжност
по въпросите на сигурността.

Toва е заплаха.

И да, ядрената война е реална опасност.
От изключителното слабоумие на натовците.

Не от слабоумието на Путин, започнал една безумна война по бели гащи...

Нато ни лук яло, ни лук мирисало?

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:31:58 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 3:09:18 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:53:16 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:42:49 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:45:32 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

Тази е по-интересна:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-medvedev-warns-nuclear-war-if-russia-defeated-ukraine-2023-01-19/

Защо е казал това, според теб?

Едното е реалност, другото е хипотеза.

Каква хипотеза? Това е изказване на бивш президент и министър-председател, който в момента е на висша длъжност
по въпросите на сигурността.

Toва е заплаха.

Естествено.

Най-добре да се вземе насериозно. И да се направят дорби изводи за
последствията от появата на нови ядрени страни, особено мислиматовски.

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 2:53:18 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:42:49 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:45:32 PM UTC-5, Радостина
wrote:

https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/ 2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

Тази е по-интересна:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-medvedev-warns- nuclear-war-if-russia-defeated-ukraine-2023-01-19/

Защо е казал това, според теб?

Едното е реалност, другото е хипотеза.

Каква хипотеза? Това е изказване на бивш президент и
министър-председател, който в момента е на висша длъжност по
въпросите на сигурността.

И да, ядрената война е реална опасност. >> > > От изключителното слабоумие на натовците.

Не от слабоумието на Путин, започнал една безумна война по бели
гащи...

Не я започна той

А кой?

...

Той не воюва с Украйна, той воюва със САЩ и Западна Европа на
територията на Украйна.

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г. или за да те подразня още повече - с разширяването на нато на
изток.

и за да не започнеш с полюциите - на тъп въпрос, тъп отговор.

преди време твърдеше, че обещанието нато да не се разширява на изток било
лъжа, после се стигна до там да търсиш писмени гаранции за това обещание,
сега вече не знам какви нови висоти си постигнал в русофобията си.

за това ще ти повторя пак моя съвет - хапчета и после преглед при
специалист. имаш сериозен проблем.

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:16:48 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 2:53:18 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5, Радостина >> >> > wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:42:49 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:45:32 PM UTC-5, Радостина
wrote:

https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/

2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

Тази е по-интересна:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-medvedev- warns-nuclear-war-if-russia-defeated-ukraine-2023-01-19/

Защо е казал това, според теб?

Едното е реалност, другото е хипотеза.

Каква хипотеза? Това е изказване на бивш президент и
министър-председател, който в момента е на висша длъжност по
въпросите на сигурността.

И да, ядрената война е реална опасност.
От изключителното слабоумие на натовците.

Не от слабоумието на Путин, започнал една безумна война по бели
гащи...

Не я започна той

А кой?

...

Той не воюва с Украйна, той воюва със САЩ и Западна Европа на
територията на Украйна.

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014. Виж,
обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

явно и други неща си пропуснал малко преди това.

или за да те подразня още повече - с разширяването на нато на изток.

Как това е "нападение срещу Русия"? Нещо ми се губи.

губи ти се, вярно. добави едно „подготовка за“ и дано нещо ти просветне.
ама надали.

можеш да потърсиш какво признаха меркел и оланд наскоро. и не ме питай
мен, аз няма да ти кажа.

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обединените сили на Украйна и НАТО биха измели руснаците от Украйна за
по-малко от месец.

Биха предизвикали ядрена война, да бъдем по точни.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:37:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 5:03:28 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обединените сили на Украйна и НАТО биха измели руснаците от Украйна за
по-малко от месец.

Биха предизвикали ядрена война, да бъдем по точни.

Ако САЩ/НАТО ги е страх да помогнат пряко на Украйна да защити териториялната си
цялост как да си представим, че ще тръгнат да нападат международно признатите
граници на Русия?

Това е ясно. Разчитат на отслабване чрез изтощение и ако стане някой преврат
като по време на първата световна. То друг начин няма.

Кой наистина вярва в подобни глупости?

Ти па, "има ли" :-D

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:37:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 5:03:28 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обединените сили на Украйна и НАТО биха измели руснаците от Украйна
за по-малко от месец.

Биха предизвикали ядрена война, да бъдем по точни.

Ако САЩ/НАТО ги е страх да помогнат пряко на Украйна да защити
териториялната си цялост как да си представим, че ще тръгнат да нападат
международно признатите граници на Русия? Кой наистина вярва в подобни
глупости?

абе идиот нещастен, защо не намериш какви карти разпространявате от
години, на които русия е разделена поне на 8 части?

но не питай какви карти, а започни да търсиш.

защо не се замислиш каква е ролята на навални, немцов и всички останали
като тях, а си седнал да пишеш олигофренщини?

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:39:33 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:16:48 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, Радостина >> >> > wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 2:53:18 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5, Радостина
wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:42:49 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo
Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:45:32 PM UTC-5,
Радостина wrote:

https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/ 2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

Тази е по-интересна:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-medvedev-

warns-nuclear-war-if-russia-defeated-ukraine-2023-01-19/

Защо е казал това, според теб?

Едното е реалност, другото е хипотеза.

Каква хипотеза? Това е изказване на бивш президент и
министър-председател, който в момента е на висша длъжност по
въпросите на сигурността.

И да, ядрената война е реална опасност.
От изключителното слабоумие на натовците.

Не от слабоумието на Путин, започнал една безумна война по бели
гащи...

Не я започна той

А кой?

...

Той не воюва с Украйна, той воюва със САЩ и Западна Европа на
територията на Украйна.

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014. Виж,
обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

явно и други неща си пропуснал малко преди това.

или за да те подразня още повече - с разширяването на нато на изток.

Как това е "нападение срещу Русия"? Нещо ми се губи.

губи ти се, вярно. добави едно „подготовка за“ и дано нещо ти
просветне. ама надали.

Ако са се "подготвяли" да нападат Русия през Украйна остава загатката
защо отказаха да преговарят за включването й в НАТО или защо почти до
последния момент отказаха да й дадат дори отбранителни оръжия. М? И от
какъв зор ще тръгнат да нападат Русия, една огромна страна въоръжена с
ядрени оръжия? Това само олигофрен може да го вярва.

а още по-голям олигофрен може да напише горното. защо се правиш на
архиолигофрен и забравяш за доктрината за първия ядрен удар, която първо я
възприехте вие?

понеже отказваха да и дадат отбранителни оръжия, за това изпразниха
всичкото съветско останало от страните от бившия варшавски договор. или и
това не знаеш?

ако нямаха намерение да нападат русия, защо разшириха нато до нейните
граници?

Даже според мен трябва да си поне 5-6 степени под олигофрен да го
вярваш. Прочие, ако толкова ги сърби да се бият с Русия защо категорично
отказват да пращат войски там или пък да обявят небето й за "no fly
zone"? Обединените сили на Украйна и НАТО биха измели руснаците от
Украйна за по-малко от месец.

а това да го напишеш, трябва да си поне 10 степени над олигофрена. засега
воюват с русия до последния украинец, нищо чудно тази година да започнат
да воюват до последния поляк.

можеш да потърсиш какво признаха меркел и оланд наскоро. и не ме питай
мен, аз няма да ти кажа.

намери ли какво признаха тези двамата, а? или пак ще се гърчиш като
настъпен глист на открито? каква е била целта на това, можеш ли да
отговориш?

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 09:22:05 -0800 (PST), Dimitar Gueorguiev wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:53:46 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

Каквото и да си говорите Россия върви към разпад -> това ми беше и
мнението през февурари, 2022. Проблемът на Запада е че разпадът на
въпросната Империя няма да доведе до по-малко главоболия за тях..

Очакването е че някакво още по-дивашко образувание ще заеме позцията и
ще е не по-малка заплаха за региона.

ами хубаво, мечтите все още не са забранени.

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:14:16 -0800 (PST), Радостина wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014. Виж,
обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

Я да те попитам като си такъв умник кой и как наруши Минските договори?!

не го питай такива неща, още повече в светлината на признанията на меркел
и оланд.

той удобно е забравил защо луганск и донецк се отцепиха от украйна и
изобщо каква точно е хронологията на конфликта.

и гледай сега как ще (ме) попита каква е :D

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:23:11 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 5:14:17 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014. Виж, обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

Я да те попитам като си такъв умник кой и как наруши Минските договори?!

Зависи кого питаш, или пък за кои точки от Минските споразумения питаш.

То ясно за кои пита: за неосъществената автономия на Донбас.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:31:01 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

. Не виждаш ли, че
все се вайкат какво можело да стане ако падне Путин и Русия се разпадне?

Всъщност не.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:55:15 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:51:26 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:39:33 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:16:48 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, Радостина
wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 2:53:18 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo
Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5, Радостина
wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:42:49 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo
Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:45:32 PM UTC-5,
Радостина wrote:

https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/

2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

Тази е по-интересна:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally- medvedev-warns-nuclear-war-if-russia-defeated-ukraine-2023-01-19/

Защо е казал това, според теб?

Едното е реалност, другото е хипотеза.

Каква хипотеза? Това е изказване на бивш президент и
министър-председател, който в момента е на висша длъжност по
въпросите на сигурността.

И да, ядрената война е реална опасност.
От изключителното слабоумие на натовците.

Не от слабоумието на Путин, започнал една безумна война по
бели гащи...

Не я започна той

А кой?

...

Той не воюва с Украйна, той воюва със САЩ и Западна Европа на
територията на Украйна.

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014. Виж,
обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

явно и други неща си пропуснал малко преди това.

или за да те подразня още повече - с разширяването на нато на
изток.

Как това е "нападение срещу Русия"? Нещо ми се губи.

губи ти се, вярно. добави едно „подготовка за“ и дано нещо ти
просветне. ама надали.

Ако са се "подготвяли" да нападат Русия през Украйна остава загатката
защо отказаха да преговарят за включването й в НАТО или защо почти до
последния момент отказаха да й дадат дори отбранителни оръжия. М? И
от какъв зор ще тръгнат да нападат Русия, една огромна страна
въоръжена с ядрени оръжия? Това само олигофрен може да го вярва.

а още по-голям олигофрен може да напише горното. защо се правиш на
архиолигофрен и забравяш за доктрината за първия ядрен удар, която
първо я възприехте вие?

Нека приемем, че САЩ планират за "първия ядрен удар" срещу Русия, което
по прицип е абсурд. С какво влизането на Украйна в НАТО ще им помогне за
тази цел??

това сериозно ли го питаш?! защото ако е сериозно, значи олигофрените са
гении в сравнение с теб.

понеже отказваха да и дадат отбранителни оръжия, за това изпразниха
всичкото съветско останало от страните от бившия варшавски договор. или
и това не знаеш?

Колко танка има дадоха (съветски или западни) преди руската инвазия?
Колко самоходни гаубици?

Колко самолети? Колко хеликоптери? Колко ПВО установки? М?

защо преди руската инвазия? ти четеш ли се какво си писал само преди една
пращулка?!

ако нямаха намерение да нападат русия, защо разшириха нато до нейните
граници?

За да защитят бившите колонии на Русия от бъдещи имперски ревизионистки
амбиции на Кремъл. И се оказаха прави.

wishful thinking. точно през 90-те години на миналия век, когато започна
разширяването на нато, в русия не е имало грам имперски ревизионистични
амбиции.

по-тъпа лъжа трудно може да се измисли.

Даже според мен трябва да си поне 5-6 степени под олигофрен да го
вярваш. Прочие, ако толкова ги сърби да се бият с Русия защо
категорично отказват да пращат войски там или пък да обявят небето й
за "no fly zone"? Обединените сили на Украйна и НАТО биха измели
руснаците от Украйна за по-малко от месец.

а това да го напишеш, трябва да си поне 10 степени над олигофрена.
засега воюват с русия до последния украинец, нищо чудно тази година да
започнат да воюват до последния поляк.

Ако натовксата авиация се намеси, руските войски ще бъдат изтласкани до
международните граници на Украйна за по-малко от месец. Руските ВВС вече
година не могат да се справят с няколкото украински самолети от съветско
време. Представящ ли си какво ще им се случи ако се срещнат с
американските ВВС?

ако цапа гащи, не се яде и трудно се пере. що чакат тогава и не се
намесват? м?

ивайло, отвори си очите.

А без въздушно прикритие те ще побегнат панически към границата, като се
случи с иракската армия преди 30 години.

леле, мамино синче. тръгнал да сравнява иракската армия с руската.

можеш да потърсиш какво признаха меркел и оланд наскоро. и не ме
питай мен, аз няма да ти кажа.

намери ли какво признаха тези двамата, а?

Защо аз трябва да търся нещо неизвестно?!?

защото не е неизвестно. и защото ще ти бръкне в задника и ще опровергае
лъжите ти от преди малко.

или пак ще се гърчиш като настъпен глист на открито? каква е била целта
на това, можеш ли да отговориш?

и да, познах - започна вече да се гърчиш, само дето все още не съм те
настъпил.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:58:52 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:53:46 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:37:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 5:03:28 PM UTC-8, chorbalan wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обединените сили на Украйна и НАТО биха измели руснаците от
Украйна за по-малко от месец.

Биха предизвикали ядрена война, да бъдем по точни.

Ако САЩ/НАТО ги е страх да помогнат пряко на Украйна да защити
териториялната си цялост как да си представим, че ще тръгнат да
нападат международно признатите граници на Русия? Кой наистина вярва
в подобни глупости?

абе идиот нещастен, защо не намериш какви карти разпространявате от
години, на които русия е разделена поне на 8 части?

Кретен, кой ги разпространява тези карти? Бившия президент и
министър-председател на САЩ, днес председател на Съвета за сигурност?

https://odessa-journal.com/medvedev-dreams-of-the-collapse-of-ukraine-

and-showed-a-map/

олигофрен нещастен, виждаш ли какво цитираш?

но не питай какви карти, а започни да търсиш.

Защо да търсия глупости?

за да поумнееш поне малко.

защо не се замислиш каква е ролята на навални, немцов и всички останали
като тях, а си седнал да пишеш олигофренщини?

Каква?

ами мисли, а не питай.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:32:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:00:03 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:23:11 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 5:14:17 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014. Виж,
обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

Я да те попитам като си такъв умник кой и как наруши Минските
договори?!

Зависи кого питаш, или пък за кои точки от Минските споразумения
питаш.

То ясно за кои пита: за неосъществената автономия на Донбас.

Преди началото на войната, контролираната от Русия част от Донбас имаше
не просто автономия, а дефакто независимост (от Украйна).

и за това де факто, украйна от 2014 година бомбардираше основно цивилни
обекти в донбас. а идиотът пита кога е започнала войната?! преди време те
попитах знаеш ли какво е това АТО? мълчá като комунист на разпит.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:23:11 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 5:14:17 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014. Виж,
обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

Я да те попитам като си такъв умник кой и как наруши Минските
договори?!

Зависи кого питаш, или пък за кои точки от Минските споразумения питаш.

тези, които трябваше да изпълни украинската страна.

намери ли какво си признаха меркел и оланд?

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:02:49 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:31:01 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

. Не виждаш ли, че все се вайкат какво можело да стане ако падне
Путин и Русия се разпадне?

Всъщност не.

По-скоро да. Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на
Украйна да победи (и да си върне всички окупирани територии). Дават им
оръжия само колкото да не паднат (поне до този момент).

абе злите езици говорят друго - че ги е страх от този, който ще дойде на
мястото на путин.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на Украйна да победи (и да си върне всички
окупирани територии).

Toва няма как да стане. Ония ясно казаха че ще ги бомбят с голямата бомба,
може да блъфират, ама може и не.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:02:30 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на Украйна да победи (и да си върне всички
окупирани територии).

Toва няма как да стане. Ония ясно казаха че ще ги бомбят с голямата бомба,
може да блъфират, ама може и не.

Те за всичко и от самото начало заплашват с ядрена война,

Май не е така..

но тогава защо Запада продължава да дава оръжия на Украйна (искам да кажа ако чак
толкова ги е страх от ядрена война)? Не твърдя, че не е фактор, но трябва да
се обясни защо дават достатъчно за да не може Русия да победи, но недостатъчно за
пълна украинска победа. Страха от разпадането на Русия в случай на военно поражение
в Украйна е едно такова обяснение.

А друто, по-реално, е че понеже украинксият акъл е колкото руския, което си личи
и по поведението на тяхното си джудже, западът не смее да рискува да им дава оръжие
с което да предизвикат ядрен отговор. А Зеленски откровено търси провокация
която да вкара запада във войната.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 17:48:16 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:55:15 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:51:26 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:39:33 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:16:48 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, Радостина
wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 2:53:18 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo
Ivanov wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5,
Радостина wrote:

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:42:49 AM UTC-8,
Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:45:32 PM UTC-5,
Радостина wrote:

https://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/voinata_v_ukraina/ 2023/01/18/4439593_helikopter_se_razbi_krai_kiev_zaginaha_vutreshniiat/

Тази е по-интересна:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-

medvedev-warns-nuclear-war-if-russia-defeated-ukraine-2023-01-19/

Защо е казал това, според теб?

Едното е реалност, другото е хипотеза.

Каква хипотеза? Това е изказване на бивш президент и
министър-председател, който в момента е на висша длъжност
по въпросите на сигурността.

И да, ядрената война е реална опасност.
От изключителното слабоумие на натовците.

Не от слабоумието на Путин, започнал една безумна война
по бели гащи...

Не я започна той

А кой?

...

Той не воюва с Украйна, той воюва със САЩ и Западна Европа
на територията на Украйна.

Запада и САЩ кога нападнаха Русия, ако не е тайна?

2014 г.

Явно съм пропуснал кога Украйна е нападнала Русия през 2014.
Виж, обратното го помня (както в Крим така и в Донбас).

явно и други неща си пропуснал малко преди това.

или за да те подразня още повече - с разширяването на нато на
изток.

Как това е "нападение срещу Русия"? Нещо ми се губи.

губи ти се, вярно. добави едно „подготовка за“ и дано нещо ти
просветне. ама надали.

Ако са се "подготвяли" да нападат Русия през Украйна остава
загатката защо отказаха да преговарят за включването й в НАТО или
защо почти до последния момент отказаха да й дадат дори
отбранителни оръжия. М? И от какъв зор ще тръгнат да нападат
Русия, една огромна страна въоръжена с ядрени оръжия? Това само
олигофрен може да го вярва.

а още по-голям олигофрен може да напише горното. защо се правиш на
архиолигофрен и забравяш за доктрината за първия ядрен удар, която
първо я възприехте вие?

Нека приемем, че САЩ планират за "първия ядрен удар" срещу Русия,
което по прицип е абсурд. С какво влизането на Украйна в НАТО ще им
помогне за тази цел??

това сериозно ли го питаш?!

Да.

защото ако е сериозно, значи олигофрените са гении в сравнение с теб.

Освети ме, мен олигофрена.

като за олигофрен - S = V.t, приемаш, че V = const и изследваш изменението
на t от изменението на S.

понеже отказваха да и дадат отбранителни оръжия, за това изпразниха
всичкото съветско останало от страните от бившия варшавски договор.
или и това не знаеш?

Колко танка има дадоха (съветски или западни) преди руската инвазия?
Колко самоходни гаубици?

Колко самолети? Колко хеликоптери? Колко ПВО установки? М?

защо преди руската инвазия? ти четеш ли се какво си писал само преди
една пращулка?!

Аз зная какво съм писал. А ти?

Аз също.

ако нямаха намерение да нападат русия, защо разшириха нато до
нейните граници?

За да защитят бившите колонии на Русия от бъдещи имперски
ревизионистки амбиции на Кремъл. И се оказаха прави.

wishful thinking. точно през 90-те години на миналия век, когато
започна разширяването на нато, в русия не е имало грам имперски
ревизионистични амбиции.

по-тъпа лъжа трудно може да се измисли.

Уви, всички днес (след 24 февруари 2022) могат да видят че "лъжата" е
истина.

коя лъжа? че няма да се разширява нато на изток? нея ли имаш предвид? или
лъжите на оланд и меркел? намери ли какво си признаха тези двамата?

...

А без въздушно прикритие те ще побегнат панически към границата, като
се случи с иракската армия преди 30 години.

леле, мамино синче. тръгнал да сравнява иракската армия с руската.

можеш да потърсиш какво признаха меркел и оланд наскоро. и не ме
питай мен, аз няма да ти кажа.

намери ли какво признаха тези двамата, а?

Защо аз трябва да търся нещо неизвестно?!?

защото не е неизвестно. и защото ще ти бръкне в задника и ще опровергае
лъжите ти от преди малко.

или пак ще се гърчиш като настъпен глист на открито? каква е била
целта на това, можеш ли да отговориш?

и да, познах - започна вече да се гърчиш, само дето все още не съм те
настъпил.

Настъпил си мотиката.

която те блъска по главата.

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On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:09:02 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:08:38 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:01:46 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:08:56 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:02:31 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на Украйна
да победи (и да си върне всички окупирани територии).

Toва няма как да стане. Ония ясно казаха че ще ги бомбят с
голямата бомба,
може да блъфират, ама може и не.

Те за всичко и от самото начало заплашват с ядрена война, но
тогава защо Запада продължава да дава оръжия на Украйна (искам да
кажа ако чак толкова ги е страх от ядрена война)? Не твърдя, че
не е фактор, но трябва да се обясни защо дават достатъчно за да
не може Русия да победи, но недостатъчно за пълна украинска
победа. Страха от разпадането на Русия в случай на военно
поражение в Украйна е едно такова обяснение.

Русия ще започне ядрена атака не срещу Урайна а срещу САЩ и ЕС.
Шубе ги е естествено.

Край Куба и Венецуела днес може да има ракети с ядрени глави и
ядрени подводници. Абе стигне ли се до ядрена война, пиши ни
изчезнали :-)

Ядрена война срещу САЩ би означавало и физическия край на Русия. Виж
първия ми въпрос в тази нишка. Защо според теб руснаците правят този
шантаж? Какво означава той?

Би означавало физическия край на света или поне на по-голямата част он
него, глобална катастрофа. Путин го осъзнава.
Аз не мисля, че е шантаж или провокация, мисля че ще го направят.
Защото още 2018 беше казал а зачем нам такой мир, если там не будет
России?

Мен ояе тогава ми се изправи косата. Осъзнаваш ли какво каза или да
"превеждам"?

Никой не заплашва съществуването на Русия, така че не виждам основания
за големи притеснения.

ха-ха, защо тогава беше превратът през 2014?

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 20:04:59 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:30:49 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:02:30 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на Украйна да
победи (и да си върне всички окупирани територии).

Toва няма как да стане. Ония ясно казаха че ще ги бомбят с голямата
бомба, може да блъфират, ама може и не.

Те за всичко и от самото начало заплашват с ядрена война,

Май не е така..

Прав си, не беше баш от началото. Когато очакваха победа за три дни не
заплашваха с ядрена война.

хапчетата, ивайло, хапчетата. и да не забравиш за прегледа.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:02:30 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на Украйна да
победи (и да си върне всички окупирани територии).

Toва няма как да стане. Ония ясно казаха че ще ги бомбят с голямата
бомба, може да блъфират, ама може и не.

Те за всичко и от самото начало заплашват с ядрена война, но тогава защо
Запада продължава да дава оръжия на Украйна (искам да кажа ако чак
толкова ги е страх от ядрена война)? Не твърдя, че не е фактор, но
трябва да се обясни защо дават достатъчно за да не може Русия да победи,
но недостатъчно за пълна украинска победа. Страха от разпадането на
Русия в случай на военно поражение в Украйна е едно такова обяснение.

абе идиот, ще покажеш ли поне един официален източник, в който да се
говори за използване на ядрено оръжие? един!

има едно изказване на путин от преди няколко години, в което пита „за
какво ни е свят, в който русия няма да го има?“. и това е.

хленченето за евентуално използване на ядрено оръжие дойде от любимите ти
медии, същите, които са отгледани от сорос и за които ти се правиш на ни
лук ял, ни лук мирисал.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 17:48:28 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:31:09 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:58:52 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:53:46 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:37:21 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 5:03:28 PM UTC-8, chorbalan
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:58:35 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обединените сили на Украйна и НАТО биха измели руснаците от
Украйна за по-малко от месец.

Биха предизвикали ядрена война, да бъдем по точни.

Ако САЩ/НАТО ги е страх да помогнат пряко на Украйна да защити
териториялната си цялост как да си представим, че ще тръгнат да
нападат международно признатите граници на Русия? Кой наистина
вярва в подобни глупости?

абе идиот нещастен, защо не намериш какви карти разпространявате от
години, на които русия е разделена поне на 8 части?

Кретен, кой ги разпространява тези карти? Бившия президент и
министър-председател на САЩ, днес председател на Съвета за сигурност?

https://odessa-journal.com/medvedev-dreams-of-the-collapse-of- ukraine-and-showed-a-map/

олигофрен нещастен, виждаш ли какво цитираш?

Отричаш, че тази карта е пусната (в Telegram) от Медведев?!? Или трябва
да ти пусна руски пропаганден източник със същата информация, олигофрен?

https://www.rt.com/russia/559735-medvedev-ukraine-partition-maps/

не бе, идиот, само (ти) казвам, че тази карта, не е онази карта, за която
ти говоря.

Но аз искам друго, да ми посочиш _ЕДИН_ американски официален служител
пуснал подобна карта за Русия.
Един!

когато започнеш да отговаряш на поставени ти въпроси, тогава може да
използваш удивителни и да искаш разни неща.

потърси какви ги е писал пол уолфовиц преди 30 години (примерно).

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 08:43:28 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:41:43 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:09:02 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:08:38 PM UTC-8, Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:01:46 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:08:56 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:02:31 PM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-5, chorbalan
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov
wrote:

Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на
Украйна да победи (и да си върне всички окупирани
територии).

Toва няма как да стане. Ония ясно казаха че ще ги бомбят с
голямата бомба,
може да блъфират, ама може и не.

Те за всичко и от самото начало заплашват с ядрена война, но
тогава защо Запада продължава да дава оръжия на Украйна (искам
да кажа ако чак толкова ги е страх от ядрена война)? Не
твърдя, че не е фактор, но трябва да се обясни защо дават
достатъчно за да не може Русия да победи, но недостатъчно за
пълна украинска победа. Страха от разпадането на Русия в
случай на военно поражение в Украйна е едно такова обяснение.

Русия ще започне ядрена атака не срещу Урайна а срещу САЩ и ЕС.
Шубе ги е естествено.

Край Куба и Венецуела днес може да има ракети с ядрени глави и
ядрени подводници. Абе стигне ли се до ядрена война, пиши ни
изчезнали :-)

Ядрена война срещу САЩ би означавало и физическия край на Русия.
Виж първия ми въпрос в тази нишка. Защо според теб руснаците
правят този шантаж? Какво означава той?

Би означавало физическия край на света или поне на по-голямата част
он него, глобална катастрофа. Путин го осъзнава.
Аз не мисля, че е шантаж или провокация, мисля че ще го направят.
Защото още 2018 беше казал а зачем нам такой мир, если там не будет
России?

Мен ояе тогава ми се изправи косата. Осъзнаваш ли какво каза или да
"превеждам"?

Никой не заплашва съществуването на Русия, така че не виждам
основания за големи притеснения.

ха-ха, защо тогава беше превратът през 2014?

Защо хора като теб обясняват всички събития по целия свят, които не им
угаждат, с желанията или действията на САЩ (а не с народите на
съответните страни)? Кой свали правителството в България миналата
година? Българи мотивирани от български съображения или Путин и Русия?
Защо открито про-западните партии в България (които имат солидно
мнозинство в Народното събрание) не съставят про-западно правителство?
Нали България е колония на САЩ? Подобна коалиция ще е от интерес за САЩ.
Как да обясним този парадокс?

идиот, правителствата в българия са прозападни от 30+ насам.

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 08:41:40 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:36:32 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

...

ако нямаха намерение да нападат русия, защо разшириха нато до
нейните граници?

За да защитят бившите колонии на Русия от бъдещи имперски
ревизионистки амбиции на Кремъл. И се оказаха прави.

wishful thinking. точно през 90-те години на миналия век, когато
започна разширяването на нато, в русия не е имало грам имперски
ревизионистични амбиции.

по-тъпа лъжа трудно може да се измисли.

Уви, всички днес (след 24 февруари 2022) могат да видят че "лъжата" е
истина.

коя лъжа?

Лъжата, че Русия не е империалистически реваншистки агресор.
Да, през 90-те години успешно го прикриваше (със схемата със
"замразените" конфликти разчленили редица от съседите й). Все пак тогава
Русия беше по-слаба и не можеше да си покаже открито рогата (тогава още
просеха заеми от Запада).

абе идиот, я вземи преброи колко въоръжени конфликти предизвикахте вие,
пък тогава говори за русия. колко държави разсипахте вие, можеш ли да
кажеш? и колко русия?

аман от лицемери като теб.

какво стана с доктрината на пол уолфовиц? намери ли я?

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 08:42:12 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:40:04 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:02:30 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:35:57 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

Обяснява голяма част от нежеланието им да помогнат на Украйна да
победи (и да си върне всички окупирани територии).

Toва няма как да стане. Ония ясно казаха че ще ги бомбят с голямата
бомба, може да блъфират, ама може и не.

Те за всичко и от самото начало заплашват с ядрена война, но тогава
защо Запада продължава да дава оръжия на Украйна (искам да кажа ако
чак толкова ги е страх от ядрена война)? Не твърдя, че не е фактор,
но трябва да се обясни защо дават достатъчно за да не може Русия да
победи, но недостатъчно за пълна украинска победа. Страха от
разпадането на Русия в случай на военно поражение в Украйна е едно
такова обяснение.

абе идиот, ще покажеш ли поне един официален източник, в който да се
говори за използване на ядрено оръжие? един!

Не си слушал речта на Путин oт септември миналата година? Сериозно?

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/09/russias-nuclear-

threats/671571/

не съм, нали ти си я слушал. и вярваш ли на този източник?

има едно изказване на путин от преди няколко години, в което пита „за
какво ни е свят, в който русия няма да го има?“. и това е.

Сякаш това нямаше да е достатъчно.

явно не е било достатъчно, като гледам какви ги творите.

хленченето за евентуално използване на ядрено оръжие дойде от любимите
ти медии, същите, които са отгледани от сорос и за които ти се правиш
на ни лук ял, ни лук мирисал.

Нищо подобно. Да не говорим, че Соловьов през ден по _държавната руска
телевизия_ призовава Русия да изпепели запада. Или и за това ще се
правиш на умряла лисица?

А Симонян? Говорим за държавни служители.

какви точно държавни служители са соловьов и симонян?

абе идиот такъв, ти нали питаше за официален държавен служител, който да е
обявил, че се работи за разпадането на русия? що така се гърчиш сега?

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-rather-press-nuclear-button-lose-ukraine-

war-rt-broadcaster-151707840.html

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-nuclear-nato-weapons-

solovyov-1776367

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/putin-nuclear-weapons-

threat-us-sanctions-military/671642/

Това го почнаха още миналия април, след като разбраха, че плана с
"тридневната специална операция" е отишъл в лайната.

идиот, посочи кой политик от правителството е говорил за тридневна война?
защото аз не знам за такъв.

признавам, че не следя конфликта като теб, но нямам спомен путин да се е
изцепил, че за три дена ще спечелят.

та какво стана с признанията на меркел и оланд? ще ги споделиш ли? до кога
ще се правиш на вмирисан пор?

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