• the lab-leak theory

    From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 5 20:56:19 2021
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?B?0KDQsNC00L7RgdGC0LjQvdCw?@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 02:51:39 2021
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 09:47:57 2021
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 17:17:52 2021
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

    Напротив, променя МНОГО, значи има виновен.

    Пернатке, всеки знае кой е виновен и Тръмп го повтори 1000 пъти!
    Либерастите го оплюха(Тръмп), а и наистина виновният е много голям
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Oct 7 06:41:16 2021
    On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 09:47:57 -0700, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Да де ама после аз съм била конспираторът

    Аз и Ведрин сме писали точно по тази тема тук преди теб. Съответно поне
    аз още тогава прорицах (тук и другаде) хората обявили хипотезата за
    "конспиративна".

    прорицал?! WTF?

    не беше ли ти този, който порицаваше хората, допускащи човешка намеса в
    появата на SARS-Cov2?

    то няма лошо човек да си промени мнението с течение на времето, ама точно
    по този начин да се прави не е добре (imho).

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to chorbalan on Thu Oct 7 06:44:31 2021
    On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 17:17:52 +0000, chorbalan wrote:

    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

    Напротив, променя МНОГО, значи има виновен.

    Пернатке, всеки знае кой е виновен и Тръмп го повтори 1000 пъти!
    Либерастите го оплюха(Тръмп), а и наистина виновният е много голям и
    "свободният свят" не смее да му поиска сметка.

    чорби, не са само китайците, да знаеш.

    виж поне публикациите за финансирането на лабораторията в ухан от
    неправителствената организация на питър дашак. и то по време, когато при
    вас е имало мораториум върху подобни изследвания.

    така, че ако ще се търсят виновни, съмнявам се да им се размине и на тези
    двамата -- фаучи и дашак. няма да се изненадам, ако в един момент ги
    обвинят в заговор.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Thu Oct 7 16:15:34 2021
    On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:57:57 -0700, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:41:17 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

    On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 09:47:57 -0700, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Да де ама после аз съм била конспираторът

    Аз и Ведрин сме писали точно по тази тема тук преди теб. Съответно
    поне аз още тогава прорицах (тук и другаде) хората обявили хипотезата
    за "конспиративна".

    прорицал?! WTF?

    За първи път правя печатна грешка?

    не, но тази е многозначна -- може да бъде тълкувана и така, и иначе.

    не беше ли ти този, който порицаваше хората, допускащи човешка намеса в
    появата на SARS-Cov2?

    Зависи какво имаш предвид. Написах, че няма особени причини да вярваме,
    че вируса е генетично инжениран (т.е. целенасочено създаден да е такъв,
    какъвто е). Продължавам да съм на същото мнение. В същото време смятах,
    и продължавам да да мисля, че вирусът може да е изтърван от
    лабораторията по вирусология в Ухан. Хипотезата със сигурност не е
    доказана, но не е и отхвърлена. Хипотезата за експерименти с "естествена
    еволюция в лабораторни условия" също не може да бъде отхвърлена.

    имам предвид точно това, което съм казал.

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Fri Oct 8 05:07:46 2021
    On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 21:08:30 -0700, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 12:15:35 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    ...

    не беше ли ти този, който порицаваше хората, допускащи човешка
    намеса в появата на SARS-Cov2?

    Зависи какво имаш предвид. Написах, че няма особени причини да
    вярваме, че вируса е генетично инжениран (т.е. целенасочено създаден
    да е такъв, какъвто е). Продължавам да съм на същото мнение. В същото
    време смятах, и продължавам да да мисля, че вирусът може да е
    изтърван от лабораторията по вирусология в Ухан. Хипотезата със
    сигурност не е доказана, но не е и отхвърлена. Хипотезата за
    експерименти с "естествена еволюция в лабораторни условия" също не
    може да бъде отхвърлена.

    имам предвид точно това, което съм казал.

    Би ли бил по-конкретен? Какво точно съм порицал (тук)?

    чети по-горе какво съм написал. написано е кратко и ясно, точно като за
    такива като теб.

    --
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  • From N Kostoff@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 08:50:28 2021
    On 9.10.2021 г. 6:24, Радостина wrote:
    .....
    Не само това, ами сега твърдя че е по-вероятно да е УМИШЛЕНО пуснат.
    Това няма как да се докаже, но поне да докажат че е от лаборатория.

    Това за умишленото го дъвчат поне от година и половина. Добре, че сега
    ти е дошло на ума.

    А ако е от лаборатория ти се замисли каакво значи.

    Че е от лаборатория.


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    _____
    НК

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 04:40:21 2021
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 16:53:27 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

    Вие сте тези които сте лабораторни мишки и правите
    експерименти с телата си

    А вие антиваксърите да не би да не? При това по по-глупавият начин.

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  • From chorbalan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 04:47:19 2021
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

    започвам да клоня повече към умишлено.

    Semper idem, semper fidelis, semper morus, semper anatis!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From N Kostoff@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 09:12:37 2021
    On 10.10.2021 г. 22:29, Радостина wrote:
    ....
    А ако е от лаборатория ти се замисли каакво значи.

    Че е от лаборатория.

    Кольо, ти да не би да си се ваксинирал? Забелязвам, че ваксинираните губят чувство за хумор и способност да мислят. :-))))

    По-скоро обратното, както личи от горния диалог.

    Имаш ли идея какво правят тези лаборатории?

    Значи, увеличават ти цените, уволняват те ако не си ваксиниран, пребиват те от бой
    на протести, но иначе са ужасно загрижени за твоето зраве :-))))

    И всичко това го вършат в _тези_ лаборатории ? Или в онези ?
    _____
    НК

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Oct 13 04:34:08 2021
    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:51:55 -0700, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 3:30:00 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:

    On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 10:50:29 PM UTC-7, N Kostoff wrote:

    On 9.10.2021 г. 6:24, Радостина wrote:

    .....

    Не само това, ами сега твърдя че е по-вероятно да е УМИШЛЕНО
    пуснат.

    Това няма как да се докаже, но поне да докажат че е от лаборатория.

    Това за умишленото го дъвчат поне от година и половина. Добре, че
    сега ти е дошло на ума.

    Не ми е дошло сега. Писах го преди повече от година и половина.
    И тогава казах, че по-вероятният вариант е да е изпуснат.

    Така ли? Кога си го казала това?

    ами то го пише в текста – преди година и половина 8-)

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 13 09:06:49 2021
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Oct 13 17:15:08 2021
    On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 09:06:49 -0700, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 12:34:09 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:51:55 -0700, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 3:30:00 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:

    On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 10:50:29 PM UTC-7, N Kostoff wrote:

    On 9.10.2021 г. 6:24, Радостина wrote:

    .....

    Не само това, ами сега твърдя че е по-вероятно да е УМИШЛЕНО
    пуснат.

    Това няма как да се докаже, но поне да докажат че е от
    лаборатория.

    Това за умишленото го дъвчат поне от година и половина. Добре, че
    сега ти е дошло на ума.

    Не ми е дошло сега. Писах го преди повече от година и половина.
    И тогава казах, че по-вероятният вариант е да е изпуснат.

    Така ли? Кога си го казала това?

    ами то го пише в текста – преди година и половина 8-)

    Дали може да го подкрепи с конретен цитат? Щото аз помня че пишеше други
    неща, по-точно (Feb 27, 2020): "но нещо големи съмнения имам, че този
    вирус си е пуснат умишлено. Израел съобщи, че е на път да разработи
    ваксина, което засилва съмненипта ми че се е знаело за този вирус."

    ти питаш „кога“, а не „как“ 8-)

    Както казах, хората повдигнали темата за изтекъл от лаборатория (не
    "пуснат умишлено") вирус в нашата група бяха аз и Ведрин. Други не
    помня.

    не помниш мен? че се изцепи тогава, че ти си специалистът по протеините?

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