• Has Covid ended the neoliberal era?

    From Vedrin Jeliazkov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 2 14:21:40 2021
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/02/covid-and-the-crisis-of-neoliberalism

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 5 14:13:13 2021
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  • From N Kostoff@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Mon Sep 6 09:53:28 2021
    On 6.9.2021 г. 0:13, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:21:41 PM UTC-4, vedrin.j...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/02/covid-and-the-crisis-of-neoliberalism

    Зелено-червена полюция ;)))

    В случай, че неолиберализма се катурне, само месеци по-късно ще се катурне и западния цоциализъм
    (welfare state), поне от американския му тип (т.е. цоциализъм напълно зависим от данъци върху богатите).
    Почти със 100% сигурност дори моделите на Дания и Швеция ще се сринат при подобен сценарий. Не виждам
    друг вариант.

    Интересно, как си представяш "катурването" на неолиберализма ?

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 6 10:26:51 2021
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  • From N Kostoff@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Sep 7 09:31:32 2021
    On 6.9.2021 г. 17:40, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 2:53:20 AM UTC-4, N Kostoff wrote:
    On 6.9.2021 г. 0:13, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:21:41 PM UTC-4,
    vedrin.j...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/02/covid-and-the-crisis-of-neoliberalism



    Зелено-червена полюция ;)))

    В случай, че неолиберализма се катурне, само месеци по-късно ще
    се катурне и западния цоциализъм (welfare state), поне от
    американския му тип (т.е. цоциализъм напълно зависим от данъци
    върху богатите). Почти със 100% сигурност дори моделите на Дания
    и Швеция ще се сринат при подобен сценарий. Не виждам друг
    вариант.

    Интересно, как си представяш "катурването" на неолиберализма ?

    Интересен въпрос. Не знам дали гледа клипа на Нуриел Рубини, който
    бях пуснал. Тук е синтезирал същите идеи в 3 минути:
    https://youtu.be/9nqa38BysxA

    Не. Английският ми не е достатъчно добър, за да следя когато някой
    говори. За съжаление, все по-малко хора си правят труда да пишат.

    Taм той посочва 8 причини за хронични "supply shocks" оттук нататък.
    Две от тях са "деглобализация" и "балканизация на веригите за
    доставка". Другата непосочена от него причина е предстоящото
    колабиране на световните фиатни валути. Ако глобалната фиатна
    финансова система наистина се срине, както аз очаквам, това ще
    постави както световната търговия така и цялата неолиберална система
    под въпрос. Та така си го представям, съвсем накратко написано.

    Неолиберализма е западния СИВ. В момента в реално време виждаме как
    САЩ отказват да направят необходимото за да запазят и закрепят
    неолиберализма. И Тръмп а сега и Байдън изпитват омраза към тази
    система. Точно както СИВ не можеше да съществува без желязната ръка
    на СССР, неолиберализма не може да съществува без желязната ръка на
    САЩ. Оттук нататък е въпрос на време всичко да се разнищи. В
    Афганистан видяхме колко бързо могат да се разнищят нещата ако пъдаря
    реши да се измете. В интерес на истината САЩ не просто отказват да
    спасят системата но и да искаха няма как да го направят когато са
    затънали до уши в дългове. Друга подходяща аналогия е Британската
    империя непосредствено след ВСВ.

    Май ще трябва да се изясниш какво разбираш под 'неолиберализъм'


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    НК

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 7 07:23:18 2021
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  • From N Kostoff@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Wed Sep 8 09:20:45 2021
    On 7.9.2021 г. 18:36, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:31:23 AM UTC-4, N Kostoff wrote:

    ...
    Интересно, как си представяш "катурването" на неолиберализма ?

    Интересен въпрос. Не знам дали гледа клипа на Нуриел Рубини, който
    бях пуснал. Тук е синтезирал същите идеи в 3 минути:
    https://youtu.be/9nqa38BysxA
    Не. Английският ми не е достатъчно добър, за да следя когато някой
    говори.

    Превод с помоща на Google Translate и след моя редакция:


    Благодаря.

    "Страхувам се, че световната икономика ще остане крехка. Уж трябваше да има укрепване
    на икономическия растеж, но сега сме свидетели на забавяне на растежа в същото времето когато
    инфлацията расте, и се притеснявам, че всъщност нарастването на инфлацията няма да е временно, а
    дългосрочно. Забавянето на растежа също ще бъде дългосрочно. Причините са две. От страната на
    търсенето мисля, че имаме силно разхлабена и необичайна парична политика, а също така необичайно
    разхлабена фискална политика. Ние преминаваме към свят на монетизация на дълга на постоянна база, тъй
    като имаме голям частен и обществен дълг и централните банки са в капана на дълга и не могат лесно на
    излязат от него. В същото време имаме нестандартни политики от страна на предлагането. Проблемите с
    доставките и пазарът на пазара на труда не са временни. Страхувам се че като през 70 -те може да имаме
    постоянни сътресения в предлагането. Аз набелязвам няколко от тях:
    - деглобализация и протекционизъм
    - балканизация на глобалните вериги на доставки
    - застаряване на населението в развитите и развиващите се икономики
    - ограничаване на миграцията от бедни към богати страни
    - отделяне между нас и Китай по отношение на обмяна на информация, обмяна на данни, търговията с
    технологиите и инвестициите
    - имаме и глобална промяна на климата която уврежда селското стопанство и повишава както цените на
    енергията, така и цените на храните
    - мисля, че глобалните пандемии ще бъдат постоянни и ендемични и ще насърчат самозадоволяването и
    контола на износа
    - имаме и кибервойни, които увреждат производството или пък ако искате да се защитите ще трябва да
    похарчите много пари и това ще е скъпо
    - и накрая имаме реакция срещу неравенство на доходите и богатството с фискални политика. Подкрепата на
    работниците и синдикатите може да е правилната политика, но увеличаването на дела на заплатите в БВП ще
    означава спирала на цената на труда. През 70 -те години, това доведе до многобройни шокове, които
    доведoха до стагнация, бавен растеж, рецесия и нарастващата инфлация.
    Тук идентифицирах девет потенциални шока в предлагането, които биха могли да намалят растежа и
    увеличат производствените разходи и да доведат до увеличение на цените и заплатите. И ако паричната и
    фискалната политика останат разхлабени всичко това може да доведе до вдигане на котвата на очакванията
    за инфлация, да доведат до високи инфлация и едновременно стагфлация. И най-накрая, през 70-те години,
    когато стагнацията беше проблем, съотношението на заемите спрямо БВП беше ниско. След световната
    финансова криза, когато проблемът беше прекалено висок частен и обществен дълг, се получи шок на
    търсенето, което довде до ниска инфлация, ако не и дефлация. Но в бъдеще може да стане много по-зле,
    когато най -лошото от 70 -те, като стагфлацията, се комбинира с най-лошото след GFC т.е. с високото
    съотношение между дълга и БВП. Затова се притеснявам за опасността от инфлационна дългова криза. Това
    са нещата, за които трябва да се притесняваме в средносрочен план."



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