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My sun stare experience is described on my Salmon on the Thorns
web page (the URL is in my sig, below).

Back in 1997 when I first mentioned it on alt.native I was told it
was nothing like a native sundance so I stopped calling it a
sundance and instead have been calling it a sun stare.

However the Lakota term for the sundance, Wiwanyag Wacipi,
or Wi wanyang wacipi, translates as sun gazing dance or
Gazing-at-the-Sun Dance. Hence I think that their tradition
may have roots back to an experience similar to mine,
perhaps even to the Iowa Dakota Salmon youth who I
discuss on that web page. Follow up if you know of any
similar past figures.

On that web page I argue that since during my sun stare
there was a tunnelling beyond the sun (so the heavens
opened, like a peek into higher dimensions) and just after
it near-invisible wings of space wrapped around me and
I blacked out momentarily and fell into the water, that
my experience was similar to the baptism of Jesus which
I view as his anointing by the Holy Spirit (the wings).
Hence any past figure who originated the Lakota sun gazing
dance would have also been an avatar/buddha/messiah/christ
(anointed one) type similar to Jesus.

Some native figures who I, based on very little research so
far, consider to have been avatar types are the Iowa Dakota
Salmon youth, Quetzalcoatl, and Glooskap, but I imagine
there have been quite a few more from various nations,
and that they all would have experienced a sun stare,
naked thorn hill climb, and blue rose vision like me.

I don’t think I have any native blood but my good friend
Jim Fidler ( http://www.jimfidler.com ) is 1/8 Cherokee and
I once believed that my main musical inspirer, Sarah
McLachlan, has a Beothuk maternal line through her
birth mother. She is also I think known to the native
peoples in and near Tofino, British Columbia.

--
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “Goin' away far across the sea/But I'll be back for you/I'm gonna tell
you everything I know/Baby, everything is true” (Van Morrison)

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