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  • Re: Haida Raven and the First Men figure popthrough

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 5 01:23:56 2024
    XPost: alt.native, alt.culture.inuit, alt.religion.shamanism
    XPost: bc.general, alt.culture.alaska

    On Dec 5, 2024, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2D0164AA0017EEC6700001E7538F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    It was a 14-years-low-years one, like Moses, Mohammed,
    and Rama (Jacob’s was the only human 18-years-low-years).

    There were also five cetacean 18-years ones in the last 10,000 years,
    most significantly a humpback whale of about 9000 years ago.

    So it included evolution (but not to the point of creating a
    new species) of humans in the original region.

    Note that Jacob’s primary siddhi was an agricultural ability
    combining green thumb and animal husbandry, and he
    would have introduced some agricultural lore, and in his
    case the evolution included agricultural plants and animals
    and birds as well as humans.

    In my case my low years have lasted almost 29 years
    (they would be exactly 29 years at Chinese New Year)
    and my region is basically the Earth Moon system though
    not including very deep inside the Earth and Moon
    and I am attempting evolution of all viruses and all
    DNA-based species, and my primary siddhi is matchmaking.

    Also my sun stare/naked thorn hill climb/blue rose vision of
    1991 occurred not long before Raven new (dark) moon and
    very close to where Bill Reid’s massive cedar sculpture
    of The Raven and the First Men sits in the Museum
    of Anthropology at UBC. Raven (the species someone
    of the west coast raven species) is a minor deity to
    me. In the evolution all raven species worldwide will
    merge and the species someone will be that Raven,
    and the evolved ravens may be able to talk. :-)

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill; And the
    hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 5 01:03:46 2024
    XPost: alt.native, alt.culture.inuit, alt.religion.shamanism
    XPost: bc.general, alt.culture.alaska

    The Haida Raven and the First Men figure popthrough
    was applied at 0424 UTC Dec. 5.

    It was a 14-years-low-years one, like Moses, Mohammed,
    and Rama (Jacob’s was the only human 18-years-low-years).
    So it included evolution (but not to the point of creating a
    new species) of humans in the original region.

    It does not affect just followers of indigenous spirituality---it
    affects some by belief, but also all those now in his original
    region and all those descended from at least one who was
    in his original region when his original working became fully on.

    However if it is a non-belief popthrough for someone, it
    will be overridden by a belief popthrough if there is a
    conflict (e.g. the Jesus popthrough which is yet to come).

    Since I am only considering popthroughs of the last
    10,000 years, he must have existed in human
    form within that time period.

    There is more background on my Salmon on the Thorns
    web page, though it is not quite up to date, and more
    on recent and ongoing progress on alt.religion.druid .

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill; And the
    hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 05:06:30 2024
    XPost: alt.native, alt.culture.inuit, alt.religion.shamanism
    XPost: bc.general, alt.culture.alaska

    On Dec 5, 2024, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2D0164AA0017EEC6700001E7538F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    The Haida Raven and the First Men figure popthrough
    was applied at 0424 UTC Dec. 5.

    That wasn’t true.

    December 6, 2024. To get UTC add 3.5 hours.
    (St. Nicholas Day/National Day of Remembrance and Action
    on Violence Against Women)

    Here is a summary of some of the popthroughs that have
    been applied so far, with (*) marking indigenous ones.

    The recent 52 from 8:32 --> 9:33 p.m. (including some cetaceans)

    Then remaining by decreasing number of someones covered
    (by belief, being in original region, or by descent):

    53 (Jacob) 9:46 p.m.
    54 (Jesus) 9:59 p.m.
    55 (Moses) 10:11 p.m.
    56 (Mohammed) 10:20 p.m.
    57 (Rama) 10:28 p.m.
    58 (Krishna) 10:36 p.m.
    59 (humpback of about 9000 years ago) 10:45 p.m.
    72 (Buddha) 11:46 p.m.

    December 7, 2024

    Lao Tzu 12:54 a.m.
    original Sleeping Beauty hero 1:40 a.m. (~4900 years ago)
    Osiris 1:54 a.m.
    Dionysus 2:23 a.m.
    Hermes 2:27 a.m.
    Prometheus (about 9300 years ago) 2:38 a.m.
    Adonis 2:42 a.m.
    Zoroaster 2:44 a.m.
    Apollo (about 8200 years ago) 2:47 a.m.
    Goibniu (or Govannon) 2:53 a.m.
    Lucifer 3:15 a.m.
    Loki 3:30 a.m.
    (*) Quetzalcoatl 3:36 a.m.
    Havamal composer 3:48 a.m.
    Lleu/Lugh/Lugus 3:51 a.m.
    Heracles 4:05 a.m.
    Gwydion (Odin?) 4:15 a.m.
    Fintan 4:41 a.m.
    (*) Glooskap 4:52 a.m.
    Amergin 4:57 a.m.
    (*) Haida Raven and the First Men figure 4:59 a.m.

    There are many yet to come, and of course I don’t yet
    know all of their names (1768, including many cetaceans,
    in the last 10,000 years).

    Of the recent 52, the one whose hcp sub covered the most
    someones was Tsangyang Gyatso (but I highly doubt that
    he died at age 23), and the one with the largest original
    region was a minke whale.

    For atheists, the religious big names did not override
    the recent 52 if there was a conflict. (And my post-popthroughs
    updates will override any popthrough if there is a conflict.)

    For more background see my Salmon on the Thorns web page.
    For recent and ongoing progress see alt.religion.druid .

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And now the angry morning; Gives the early signs of warning; You must
    face alone the plans you make; Decisions they will try to break" (S. McL.)

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