• Re: Why do Jews "deserve" a homeland?

    From E Rhinehart@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 31 08:20:20 2023
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    On 30 Dec 2023, Blue Lives Matter <NoIronInMyJunk_WhiteSupremacist@Systemic_Treason.KMA> posted some news:qI8kN.120792$7sbb.118491@fx16.iad:

    On 12/27/2023 10:12 AM, Charles Carpenter wrote:
    What makes Jews more "deserving" of a homeland than other peoples who
    don't have a homeland? Kurds, Rohingya, Palestinians, Roma, Hmong,
    Uyghur — all of these are major ethnic nations with no homeland.
    What makes them any less deserving of a sovereign state than Jews?

    Who (or what) is a Jew?

       One of the first decisions that had to be made in conducting
    this study and    analyzing its results was to answer the
    question, “Who is a Jew?” This is an    ancient question with
    no single, timeless answer. On the one hand, being    Jewish is a
    matter of religion – the traditional, matrilineal definition of
       Jewish identity is founded on halakha (Jewish religious law).
    On the other    hand, being Jewish also may be a matter of
    ancestry, ethnicity and cultural    background. Jews (and
    non-Jews) may disagree on where to draw the line. Is an    adult
    who has Jewish parents but who considers herself an atheist   
    nevertheless Jewish, by virtue of her lineage? What about someone
    who has    Jewish parents and has converted to Christianity? Or
    someone who has no known    Jewish ancestry but is married to a
    Jew and has come to think of himself as    Jewish, though he has
    not formally converted to Judaism?

      
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/10/01/sidebar-who-is-a-jew/


    Clearly, if Jewishness is determined by religion, then that cannot
    entitle Jews to a homeland. There is no clamoring for a Presbyterian
    or Methodist or Zoroastrian (or Wicca) homeland.

    So, it has to be "a matter of ancestry, ethnicity and cultural
    background." But *all* of those apply to all the stateless
    ethnic/national groups I mentioned above, plus many others. Again,
    then, why are Jews deserving of a homeland, but those groups are not?
    In particular, why do Jews not see Palestinians as a distinct people
    deserving of a homeland? And why is it official U.S. policy to see
    Jews as deserving of a homeland, and expend American blood and
    treasure in countering threats to it, but not any of those other
    stateless peoples, in particular Palestinians?

    And Hartung

    said nothing because it's just Rudy the dress-wearing-midget trying to
    stir things up again.

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