• Trump = New Eisenhower?

    From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 23 18:31:11 2015
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    Why Trump is the New Eisenhower on Immigration

    By: Jeffrey Lord
    August 21st, 2015

    The issue? Illegal immigration.

    The answer? The Republican candidate had an answer. If he were elected president, the illegals swarming into the United States from Mexico would
    have to go.

    No, the Republican candidate was not Donald Trump. The candidate in question was Dwight D. Eisenhower. And on Election Day of 1952, Ike was elected the nation’s 34th president in a landslide.

    The General used buses. He used trains. He used ships. Most importantly he
    used the agents of the U.S. Border patrol.

    On June 17, 1954, using what today would be considered a deeply politically incorrect term, “Operation Wetback” began. Eisenhower had appointed a West Point classmate and veteran of the 10st Airborn, General Joseph “Jumpin’
    Joe” Swing to head the Immigration and Naturalization Service. The Eisenhower directive to Swing was Trumpian: they have to go, round them up
    and move them out. And in the kind of military style that Eisenhower himself had employed in organizing the massive logistics of the D-Day invasion of Nazi-occupied Europe, General Swing went to work.

    The General used buses. He used trains. He used ships. Most importantly he
    used the agents of the U.S. Border patrol. According to the Christian
    Science Monitor some 750 Border Patrol agents began sweeping north from
    Texas, eventually moving through Arizona, California, Utah, Idaho, and as
    far north as Chicago.

    Within a month, reports the Christian Science Monitor, in California and Arizona alone, “over 50,000 aliens were caught. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.”

    Swing kept going. Again the CSM:

    By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily. Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the
    border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free. Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired
    ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south. The sea voyage was "a rough trip, and they did not like it," says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the
    Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.

    And so it went, by the last years of Eisenhower’s second term – two years after he launched Operation Wetback he was re-elected in a landslide – the CSM reported:

    General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders – an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.

    One of the minor controversies in Washington today is over the details of a memorial to Dwight Eisenhower. Critics hate the proposed plans, others
    defend the design by famed architect Frank Gehry. But note well. Everyone agrees that Eisenhower should be honored. There is not a peep of
    opposition – perhaps until liberal illegal immigration activists read this column – to the memorial on the grounds that Eisenhower’s Trumpian round-up of illegals was racist, immoral, cruel, and so dishonorable that Eisenhower should be read out of American history as a disgrace, with no monument ever
    to be allowed to rest on the sacred soil of Washington, DC.

    But today? Donald Trump suggests exactly the Eisenhower plan for dealing
    with illegals and he is roundly denounced. The Wall Street Journal editorial board howls about the GOP becoming The Deportation Party, failing to note a word about Ike. The WSJ says – quite obviously erroneously – that” the Trump
    outline would be the most radical crackdown on immigration since the 1920s.” Apparently the WSJ doesn’t consider Ike’s actions to be “radical” – or if so
    there is not a peep from them about Ike’s “Deportation Party” of the 1950’s.
    The paper adds:

    Mr. Trump wants to triple the number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers to police the U.S.-Mexican border, track down undocumented
    employees and visa overstays, and raid workplaces. Asked on NBC’s “Meet the Press” if his plan applies to all illegals, including kids, Mr. Trump said “they have to go.” Are his police going to search from door to door to arrest 11 million people? How else will they be rounded up?

    The obvious answer to this is: Trump can dust-off Ike’s program and plumb government archives for General “Jumpin' Joe” Swing’s blueprints on how to
    get the job done. More preposterously, the Journal writes:

    The last time Republicans tried this, in the 1920s, they alienated immigrant groups like the Irish and Italians for decades until Ronald Reagan won them back. If they want to lose in 2016, they’ll follow Mr. Trump’s anti-immigrant siren.
    He’s [Trump] educating his fellow Americans that when it comes to deporting illegal immigrants – and structuring a program for legal immigrants – America, under the leadership of the revered Dwight D. Eisenhower, like
    Donald Trump the descendant of German immigrants to America, has been there
    and done that.

    Wrong again.

    There were three presidential elections in the 1920’s – 1920, 1924 and 1928.
    The GOP won all three in landslides, immigration policies and all. The
    defeats began in 1932 – as history well records because of the Great Depression. Not illegal immigration. And note again – after Eisenhower set his program to round up and deport illegals in motion he was re-elected two years later in a landslide. A landslide bigger than the one before Ike made
    the GOP the “Deportation Party.” So much for alienating the electorate.

    Undoubtedly, the problems our nation incurred from illegal immigration in
    the ‘50s paled in comparison to the existential threat it poses today. It’s
    quite unlikely that they dealt with the daily stories of murders, rapes, and kidnapping at the hands illegal aliens insidiously let out of jail. Nobody
    is saying that a successful immigration enforcement plan requires physically rounding up every last illegal, but can we at least start with the 350,000 criminal aliens, as specified in Trump’s plan? If Eisenhower was able
    deport most of the illegal aliens of his time and stem 95% of the flow,
    there is no doubt we can deport a critical mass of them, especially those
    who pose a security risk to our citizens.

    Clearly, this is a way, as Eisenhower taught us. There is no will at the political level.

    Donald Trump is leading a virtual revolution against the clubby insiders who run Washington, D.C. But he is also doing something else. He’s educating
    his fellow Americans that when it comes to deporting illegal immigrants –
    and structuring a program for legal immigrants – America, under the leadership of the revered Dwight D. Eisenhower, like Donald Trump the descendant of German immigrants to America, has been there and done that.

    And today the only question about Ike that is being seriously debated is
    what his monument in Washington should look like.

    Whatever else Donald Trump may or may not be, without doubt when it comes to the issue of deporting illegal immigrants Donald Trump can easily be said to
    be the new Dwight D. Eisenhower.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Byker on Wed Sep 23 16:44:55 2015
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    In article <I5udndJlcc-hq57LnZ2dnUU7-bWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    The General used buses. He used trains. He used ships. Most importantly he used the agents of the U.S. Border patrol.

    He illegally deported US citizens. Why are you okay with that?

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  • From Jay Santos@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed Sep 23 17:21:52 2015
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    On 9/23/2015 4:44 PM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    In article <I5udndJlcc-hq57LnZ2dnUU7-bWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    The General used buses. He used trains. He used ships. Most importantly he >> used the agents of the U.S. Border patrol.

    He illegally deported US citizens.

    No, Eisenhower did not deport any American citizens in so-called
    "Operation Wetback", you liar.

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  • From Joe Cooper@21:1/5 to Byker on Thu Sep 24 21:29:17 2015
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    "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in news:I5udndJlcc-hq57LnZ2dnUU7-bWdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders
    " an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal
    migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.


    A classic reminder of the reality Democrats continue to deny: We can - and
    WILL - deport illegals. All we need is a president who has the will to do
    so.


    --
    Wake up, America

    "Never underestimate the willingness of white progressives to be offended
    on behalf of people who arent and to impose their will on those who didnt
    ask for it." (Derek Hunter)

    "Liberals never argue with one another over substance; their only dispute
    is how to prevent the public from figuring out what they really believe."
    (Ann Coulter)

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Joe Cooper on Fri Sep 25 09:39:54 2015
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    On 9/25/2015 9:19 AM, Joe Cooper wrote:
    DCI <50bjdk@gmail.com> wrote in news:581df166-c6ea-4d73-b9dd-41144dd9a861 @googlegroups.com:

    Too late? It is never too late.

    No one is proposing that the illegals all be rounded up and deported at
    once. But if we undertook a concerted effort as Eisenhower did, it
    could be done fairly quickly and effectively, and as happened in the
    1950s, a lot of them would self-deport once the effort was underway.

    And no, it would *not* cause any kind of economic catastrophe.


    --

    Any serious look at the history of human beings over the millennia shows
    that the species began in poverty. It is not poverty, but prosperity,
    that needs explaining. Poverty is automatic, but prosperity requires
    many things -- none of which is equally distributed around the world or
    even within a given society.

    Thomas Sowell

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  • From Snout@smack.com@21:1/5 to LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con on Fri Sep 25 15:23:16 2015
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    On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:39:54 -0700, Rudy Canoza
    <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

    On 9/25/2015 9:19 AM, Joe Cooper wrote:
    DCI <50bjdk@gmail.com> wrote in news:581df166-c6ea-4d73-b9dd-41144dd9a861
    @googlegroups.com:

    Too late? It is never too late.

    No one is proposing that the illegals all be rounded up and deported at
    once. But if we undertook a concerted effort as Eisenhower did, it
    could be done fairly quickly and effectively, and as happened in the
    1950s, a lot of them would self-deport once the effort was underway.

    So when Trumplet says he would---is he lying?

    As for deportation---for what reason?

    (leaving aside the criminal element which has lots and lots of home
    grown resident criminals in competititon)

    Those who live here---pay taxes. State/local taxation from a larger
    base generates lots more revenue.

    Those who have false ID's----don't get money taken in SS, or get to
    claim it.

    There is more incentive to actually work in immigrants (illegal or
    not) than in the general population of residents---and do work that
    few Americans would. >==========================================================

    "These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of Americas
    founding fathers.

    Ronald Regan introducing the Mujahideen leaders, 1985).

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Snout@smack.com on Fri Sep 25 14:36:30 2015
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    On 9/25/2015 2:23 PM, Snout@smack.com wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:39:54 -0700, Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

    On 9/25/2015 9:19 AM, Joe Cooper wrote:
    DCI <50bjdk@gmail.com> wrote in news:581df166-c6ea-4d73-b9dd-41144dd9a861 >>> @googlegroups.com:

    Too late? It is never too late.

    No one is proposing that the illegals all be rounded up and deported at
    once. But if we undertook a concerted effort as Eisenhower did, it
    could be done fairly quickly and effectively, and as happened in the
    1950s, a lot of them would self-deport once the effort was underway.

    So when Trumplet says he would---is he lying?

    Don't know.

    As for deportation---for what reason?

    They're illegal aliens. They entered the country illegally and their
    continued presence here is illegal. They have no legal right to reside
    here.


    --

    Any serious look at the history of human beings over the millennia shows
    that the species began in poverty. It is not poverty, but prosperity,
    that needs explaining. Poverty is automatic, but prosperity requires
    many things -- none of which is equally distributed around the world or
    even within a given society.

    Thomas Sowell

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  • From Joe Cooper@21:1/5 to Rudy Canoza on Sat Sep 26 16:40:45 2015
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    Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in news:mu4el9$q9m$1@dont-email.me:

    On 9/25/2015 2:23 PM, Snout@smack.com wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:39:54 -0700, Rudy Canoza
    <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

    On 9/25/2015 9:19 AM, Joe Cooper wrote:
    DCI <50bjdk@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:581df166-c6ea-4d73-b9dd-41144dd9a861 @googlegroups.com:

    Too late? It is never too late.

    No one is proposing that the illegals all be rounded up and deported
    at once. But if we undertook a concerted effort as Eisenhower did,
    it could be done fairly quickly and effectively, and as happened in
    the 1950s, a lot of them would self-deport once the effort was
    underway.

    So when Trumplet says he would---is he lying?

    Don't know.

    As for deportation---for what reason?

    They're illegal aliens. They entered the country illegally and their continued presence here is illegal. They have no legal right to
    reside here.

    Poor, stupid Gary...incest is a terrible thing. His mind is simply
    incapable of grasping such complexities as "illegal aliens." After all,
    you used TWO words.

    Trump's immigration policy is here: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

    While Trump HAS promised to deport all illegals, if his policy is
    enabled, it won't be necessary, as most of them will leave voluntarily,
    once the perks are cut off.

    <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-16/they-have-go-trump-vows-deport- all-illegal-immigrants>


    --
    Wake up, America

    "Never underestimate the willingness of white progressives to be offended
    on behalf of people who arent and to impose their will on those who
    didnt ask for it." (Derek Hunter)

    "Liberals never argue with one another over substance; their only dispute
    is how to prevent the public from figuring out what they really
    believe." (Ann Coulter)

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  • From Beam Me Up Scotty@21:1/5 to Joe Cooper on Sat Sep 26 13:58:37 2015
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    On 09/26/2015 12:40 PM, Joe Cooper wrote:
    Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in news:mu4el9$q9m$1@dont-email.me:

    On 9/25/2015 2:23 PM, Snout@smack.com wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:39:54 -0700, Rudy Canoza
    <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

    On 9/25/2015 9:19 AM, Joe Cooper wrote:
    DCI <50bjdk@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:581df166-c6ea-4d73-b9dd-41144dd9a861 @googlegroups.com:

    Too late? It is never too late.

    No one is proposing that the illegals all be rounded up and deported
    at once. But if we undertook a concerted effort as Eisenhower did,
    it could be done fairly quickly and effectively, and as happened in
    the 1950s, a lot of them would self-deport once the effort was
    underway.

    So when Trumplet says he would---is he lying?

    Don't know.

    As for deportation---for what reason?

    They're illegal aliens. They entered the country illegally and their
    continued presence here is illegal. They have no legal right to
    reside here.

    Poor, stupid Gary...incest is a terrible thing. His mind is simply
    incapable of grasping such complexities as "illegal aliens." After all,
    you used TWO words.


    Like ANCHOR BABY the Liberals call it discrimination and yet they call
    rich white guys tax cheats and accuse them of illegally using tax
    credits. You'd think that someone so sensitive would NOT be calling
    other people tax cheats. When they are the equivalent of an illegal
    alien. They use the law to avoid being arrested.

    Like using an ANCHOR BABY to get to stay after illegally entering or
    staying in the country.



    --
    That's Karma

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