• Carbon Tax --> public transit

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 16:03:54 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
    initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
    before the next election.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
    And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 16:25:16 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
    initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
    before the next election.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
    And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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  • From Dhu on Gate@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Thu Mar 21 20:10:49 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:25:16 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
    initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
    before the next election.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.

    Location, location, location, Dave. Electrics only really
    make any sense in dense urban environments, where they really
    do rock ;-)

    Dhu


    --
    Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
    C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
    Duncan Patton a Campbell

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Thu Mar 21 17:04:20 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On 2024-03-21 2:33 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.


    That's an excellent idea and was likely the real intention of the Carbon
    TAX, because that's what it is, a tax. There was never anything in there
    to actually do anything other than to hit us up for more money. They
    claim is is revenue neutral because they send rebates. I do get a
    rebate cheque once in a while. I got my natural gas bill yesterday and
    the carbon tax is $58. Then there is HST on top of that, so another $8
    tax on the tax for a total of $66 extra on me bill because of the carbon
    tax. That's more than my rebate, and that doesn't include the carbon
    tax I pay on the gasoline for my car. It's tax.




    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    If they had been taking the bus instead of hitch hiking for free rides
    there might have been enough business to keep the buses running. They
    could just as easily have stuck to the old economic regulatory controls
    on buses. Licensing used to me strictly controlled and any company that
    wanted the gravy runs had to take on some of the loser routes. Besides,
    it is only speculation that those women went missing on the highway.
    There is a good chance they were killed by someone in their own community.


    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    How is someone expected to make enough money to keep buses running
    reliably and safely when they can only hope to carry a few students
    home for the weekend?


    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I pay
    more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in the
    cities? Let them pay for their own transit.


    And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
    initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
    before the next election.


    Let's see if the NDP will have the balls to make it a real carbon tax by cutting the rebates. If the theory behind the Carbon Tax is to make
    polluters pay then make then actually pay instead of allowing the
    Liberals to buy more votes by pretending to charge them and then sending
    a cheque from the government once in a while to make them think they are getting something for free.

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to Dhu on Gate on Thu Mar 21 23:27:54 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Mar 21, 2024, Dhu on Gate wrote
    (in article <uti488$1o4po$5@dont-email.me>):

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:25:16 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>)
    :

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
    initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
    before the next election.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.

    Location, location, location, Dave. Electrics only really
    make any sense in dense urban environments, where they really
    do rock ;-)

    Dhu

    Perhaps hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would have a longer
    range and better performance in low temperatures.

    And in the long term I envisage a hyperloop backbone,
    perhaps partly funded by Elon Musk.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
    And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Mar 21 23:22:03 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Mar 21, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
    (in article <oh1LN.140600$hN14.83461@fx17.iad>):

    On 2024-03-21 2:33 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    That's an excellent idea and was likely the real intention of the Carbon
    TAX, because that's what it is, a tax. There was never anything in there
    to actually do anything other than to hit us up for more money. They
    claim is is revenue neutral because they send rebates. I do get a
    rebate cheque once in a while. I got my natural gas bill yesterday and
    the carbon tax is $58. Then there is HST on top of that, so another $8
    tax on the tax for a total of $66 extra on me bill because of the carbon
    tax. That's more than my rebate, and that doesn't include the carbon
    tax I pay on the gasoline for my car. It's tax.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    If they had been taking the bus instead of hitch hiking for free rides
    there might have been enough business to keep the buses running. They
    could just as easily have stuck to the old economic regulatory controls
    on buses. Licensing used to me strictly controlled and any company that wanted the gravy runs had to take on some of the loser routes. Besides,
    it is only speculation that those women went missing on the highway.
    There is a good chance they were killed by someone in their own community.


    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    How is someone expected to make enough money to keep buses running
    reliably and safely when they can only hope to carry a few students
    home for the weekend?

    As I said above, it was also used by seniors and others travelling
    for medical appointments and shopping during the week. And
    I am advocating for it to be subsidized by revenue from the
    Carbon Tax/


    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I pay
    more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in the
    cities? Let them pay for their own transit.

    As I said in my original post, I am advocating for the
    creation of public transit in rural areas.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
    And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Thu Mar 21 23:02:34 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On 2024-03-21 9:52 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
    On Mar 21, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
    (in article <oh1LN.140600$hN14.83461@fx17.iad>):

    On 2024-03-21 2:33 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    That's an excellent idea and was likely the real intention of the Carbon
    TAX, because that's what it is, a tax. There was never anything in there
    to actually do anything other than to hit us up for more money. They
    claim is is revenue neutral because they send rebates. I do get a
    rebate cheque once in a while. I got my natural gas bill yesterday and
    the carbon tax is $58. Then there is HST on top of that, so another $8
    tax on the tax for a total of $66 extra on me bill because of the carbon
    tax. That's more than my rebate, and that doesn't include the carbon
    tax I pay on the gasoline for my car. It's tax.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    If they had been taking the bus instead of hitch hiking for free rides
    there might have been enough business to keep the buses running. They
    could just as easily have stuck to the old economic regulatory controls
    on buses. Licensing used to me strictly controlled and any company that
    wanted the gravy runs had to take on some of the loser routes. Besides,
    it is only speculation that those women went missing on the highway.
    There is a good chance they were killed by someone in their own community. >>

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception >>> Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    How is someone expected to make enough money to keep buses running
    reliably and safely when they can only hope to carry a few students
    home for the weekend?

    As I said above, it was also used by seniors and others travelling
    for medical appointments and shopping during the week. And
    I am advocating for it to be subsidized by revenue from the
    Carbon Tax/

    Sure... tax the hell out of everyone so that they can't afford to do
    things themselves. People travelling to medical appointments don't want
    to have to rely on public transit. Someone coming home from treatment
    doesn't want to be standing around waiting for a bus, get jostled around
    and then have to walk to their homes from the bus stop.



    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I pay
    more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in the
    cities? Let them pay for their own transit.

    As I said in my original post, I am advocating for the
    creation of public transit in rural areas.


    Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Mar 22 01:33:58 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Mar 22, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
    (in article <dx6LN.648341$xHn7.48754@fx14.iad>):

    Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.

    It will work if there are sufficient incentives for it and also
    increased usage, and disincentives against using private
    cars, especially gasoline-powered ones.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
    And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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  • From Dhu on Gate@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sat Mar 23 09:36:03 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:33:58 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    On Mar 22, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
    (in article <dx6LN.648341$xHn7.48754@fx14.iad>):

    Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.

    It will work if there are sufficient incentives for it and also
    increased usage, and disincentives against using private
    cars, especially gasoline-powered ones.

    We already have solar-powered transport. They're called horses.
    In fact you could almost make a case for them being multi-fueled
    vehicles. But they don't run any better on Hydrogen or Plutonium
    than people do.

    Dhu


    --
    Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
    C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
    Duncan Patton a Campbell

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  • From Dhu on Gate@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sat Mar 23 09:29:15 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:27:54 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    On Mar 21, 2024, Dhu on Gate wrote
    (in article <uti488$1o4po$5@dont-email.me>):

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:25:16 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

    On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>)
    :

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
    initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
    before the next election.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.

    Location, location, location, Dave. Electrics only really
    make any sense in dense urban environments, where they really
    do rock ;-)

    Dhu

    Perhaps hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would have a longer
    range and better performance in low temperatures.

    The only problem with using carbo-hydrates (e.g. Kerosene) is the
    use of fossil carbs. Otherwise, being as most of the biology
    of our planet is carbohydrates, it's possible to make and use
    carbo fuels that won't poison the planet's plants and animals.

    Until someone shows me a *functioning* Fusion Reactor, they're
    gonna be burning COAL in China and India to make electricity
    AND Hydrogen.

    Germany too: they're back to burnin' brown coal 'cause they've
    shut down their nukes and don't have access to the Russian
    gas they'd hoped to replace them with.

    Dhu



    And in the long term I envisage a hyperloop backbone,
    perhaps partly funded by Elon Musk.





    --
    Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
    C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
    Duncan Patton a Campbell

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  • From Phil Hendry's Chop shop@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Tue Apr 9 11:25:47 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:33:58 -0230
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    It will work if there are sufficient incentives for it and also
    increased usage, and disincentives against using private
    cars, especially gasoline-powered ones.

    Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
    because:

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

    No, Canada!

    The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime.

    Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that.

    The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
    Justice Minister Arif Virani.

    Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested.

    Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

    We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

    The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

    The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue.

    In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada.

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  • From Phil Hendry's Chop shop@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Apr 9 11:26:05 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:02:34 -0400
    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    Sure... tax the hell out of everyone so that they can't afford to do
    things themselves.
    Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
    because:

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

    No, Canada!

    The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime.

    Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that.

    The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
    Justice Minister Arif Virani.

    Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested.

    Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

    We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

    The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

    The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue.

    In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada.

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  • From Phil Hendry's Chop shop@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Tue Apr 9 11:26:27 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:27:54 -0230
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    Perhaps hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would have a longer
    range and better performance in low temperatures.

    Nope.

    Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
    because:

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

    No, Canada!

    The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime.

    Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that.

    The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
    Justice Minister Arif Virani.

    Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested.

    Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

    We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

    The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

    The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue.

    In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada.

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  • From Phil Hendry's Chop shop@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Apr 9 11:27:00 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:04:20 -0400
    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    Let's see if the NDP will have the balls to make it a real carbon tax
    by cutting the rebates.
    Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
    because:

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

    No, Canada!

    The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime.

    Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that.

    The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
    Justice Minister Arif Virani.

    Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested.

    Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

    We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

    The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

    The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue.

    In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Phil Hendry's Chop shop@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Tue Apr 9 11:27:42 2024
    XPost: can.general, can.politics, nf.general
    XPost: bc.general, ont.general

    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:03:54 -0230
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    And I think the NDP would support the LIberals
    Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
    because:

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

    No, Canada!

    The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime.

    Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that.

    The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
    Justice Minister Arif Virani.

    Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested.

    Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

    We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

    The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

    The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue.

    In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)