• War crimes suspect (Victim) Praljak claims to ingest poison, dies

    From Men Of Honor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 14:23:29 2017
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    Fuck Muslims.

    A former Bosnian Croat military chief who appeared to ingest
    poison during a United Nations war crimes tribunal on Wednesday
    has reportedly died.

    Croatian state TV said Slobodan Praljak, 72, a former commander
    in Bosnia’s 1992-95 war, appeared to drink from a small bottle
    moments after judges at the international criminal tribunal in
    The Hague reconfirmed a 20-year sentence.

    He yelled “I am not a war criminal” while his lawyer shouted:
    “My client says he has taken poison.”

    Presiding Judge Carmel Aguis quickly suspended the hearing while
    Dutch emergency services were called to the scene. A court guard
    told reporters that Praljak was “receiving medical attention.”

    It’s unclear what kind of liquid Praljak ingested.

    Dutch police will not comment on the TV report based on "sources
    close to Gen. Praljak."

    A spokesman for the tribunal, Nenad Golcevski, when asked by the
    Associated Press if he could confirm the death, said: "I have no
    information to share at this point."

    Praljak was charged at the International Criminal Tribunal for
    the former Yugoslavia with ordering the destruction of Mostar’s
    16th-century bridge in November 1993. Judges said the bridge’s
    destruction “caused disproportionate damage to the Muslim
    civilian population.”

    Wednesday’s hearing was the final case at the groundbreaking
    tribunal before it closes its doors next month. The tribunal,
    which last week convicted former Bosnian Serb military chief
    Gen. Ratko Mladic of genocide and other crimes, was set up in
    1993, while fighting still raged in the former Yugoslavia. It
    indicted 161 suspects and convicted 90 of them.

    The appeals judges upheld a key finding that late Croat
    President Franjo Tudjman was a member of a plan to create a
    Croat mini-state in Bosnia.

    The original trial began in April 2006 and provided a reminder
    of the complex web of ethnic tensions that fueled fighting in
    Bosnia and continues to create frictions in the country even
    today.

    Two other suspects also had their sentences upheld before the
    hearing was halted, including the former prime minister of a
    Croat entity in Bosnia, Jadranko Prlic, who was sentenced to 25
    years.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/11/29/war-crimes-suspect- praljak-claims-to-ingest-poison-dies.html

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Men Of Honor on Thu Nov 30 23:31:24 2017
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    On 11/30/2017 7:23 AM, Men Of Honor wrote:
    Fuck Muslims.

    A former Bosnian Croat military chief who appeared to ingest
    poison during a United Nations war crimes tribunal on Wednesday
    has reportedly died.

    Croatian state TV said Slobodan Praljak, 72, a former commander
    in Bosnia’s 1992-95 war, appeared to drink from a small bottle
    moments after judges at the international criminal tribunal in
    The Hague reconfirmed a 20-year sentence.

    He yelled “I am not a war criminal” while his lawyer shouted:
    “My client says he has taken poison.”

    Presiding Judge Carmel Aguis quickly suspended the hearing while
    Dutch emergency services were called to the scene. A court guard
    told reporters that Praljak was “receiving medical attention.”

    It’s unclear what kind of liquid Praljak ingested.

    Dutch police will not comment on the TV report based on "sources
    close to Gen. Praljak."

    A spokesman for the tribunal, Nenad Golcevski, when asked by the
    Associated Press if he could confirm the death, said: "I have no
    information to share at this point."

    Praljak was charged at the International Criminal Tribunal for
    the former Yugoslavia with ordering the destruction of Mostar’s 16th-century bridge in November 1993. Judges said the bridge’s
    destruction “caused disproportionate damage to the Muslim
    civilian population.”

    Wednesday’s hearing was the final case at the groundbreaking
    tribunal before it closes its doors next month. The tribunal,
    which last week convicted former Bosnian Serb military chief
    Gen. Ratko Mladic of genocide and other crimes, was set up in
    1993, while fighting still raged in the former Yugoslavia. It
    indicted 161 suspects and convicted 90 of them.

    The appeals judges upheld a key finding that late Croat
    President Franjo Tudjman was a member of a plan to create a
    Croat mini-state in Bosnia.

    The original trial began in April 2006 and provided a reminder
    of the complex web of ethnic tensions that fueled fighting in
    Bosnia and continues to create frictions in the country even
    today.

    Two other suspects also had their sentences upheld before the
    hearing was halted, including the former prime minister of a
    Croat entity in Bosnia, Jadranko Prlic, who was sentenced to 25
    years.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/11/29/war-crimes-suspect- praljak-claims-to-ingest-poison-dies.html

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no business
    being there in the first place? Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried
    also for bombing the civilians to placate his favorite Muslims?



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  • From M.I.Wakefield@21:1/5 to Leper on Fri Dec 1 08:25:18 2017
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    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no business
    being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took up
    the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your brain.

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  • From Libs R Pervs@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Fri Dec 1 15:55:11 2017
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    On 12/1/2017 6:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?

    BAD ONES!

    KILLERS!

    YOUR KIND, canucklehead!

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Fri Dec 1 19:36:51 2017
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    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?  Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia
    and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your
    brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.




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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 3 04:24:28 2017
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    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:25:18 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" <none@present.com>
    wrote:

    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no business
    being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't >invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took up >the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Ayup. Much like Southern Babtists in the deep south. Came on the
    Mayflower and changed to Babtists shortly after.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians to
    placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your brain.

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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 3 04:27:19 2017
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    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?  Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia
    and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your
    brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these gentle >Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.


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  • From M.I.Wakefield@21:1/5 to Leper on Sun Dec 3 11:10:29 2017
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    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovt03e$ng0$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no business
    being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    They were ousted you idiot.

    The Ottomans left, the Bosnians remained.

    I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia

    The Moors left, the Spanish Muslims, like the Jews, were "encouraged" to convert to Christianity, or leave.

    and Sicily also.

    The Arabs left, but the locals converted, with most of the small remnant
    Muslim population deported, about 150 years after the Norman conquest.

    I know that you're shocked that the Muslim inhabitants of 19th century
    Bosnia were treated differently than in 15th century Spain and 11th century Sicily.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Sun Dec 3 11:04:48 2017
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    On 12/03/2017 05:24 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    Ayup. Much like Southern Babtists in the deep south. Came on the
    Mayflower and changed to Babtists shortly after.

    It's more complex than that. Roger Williams did indeed start in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, but founded Providence, and later Rhode Island
    when he was charged with heresy. He was smart enough to get the hell out
    of Dodge, unlike Mary Dyer who was hung in Boston for her beliefs.

    A splinter group moved to Kittery Maine under the leadership of Screven. Screven had been ordained by John Myles who had been a Baptist in
    Britain before emigrating. Screven had problems with neighbors and the congregation moved to Charleston, SC and went their own way. In 1845 the Southern Baptist Convention was formed as the church split over slavery.
    Oddly the Southern Baptists proselytized among the black and black
    Baptist churches were formed although they would be supervised by a
    white minister.

    My sister in law was the daughter of a northern Baptist minister and
    didn't have much use for the Southern Baptists. I don't know if it was theological or just social.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Mon Dec 4 00:11:40 2017
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    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?  Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia
    and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real History. >>>
    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians >>>> to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your
    brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.


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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Mon Dec 4 00:18:57 2017
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    On 12/3/2017 6:24 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:25:18 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" <none@present.com>
    wrote:

    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no business
    being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took up >> the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Ayup. Much like Southern Babtists in the deep south. Came on the
    Mayflower and changed to Babtists shortly after.

    Totally wrong... Iberia and Sicily were taken by Muslim Conquest.


    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians to >>> placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your brain.


    --
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    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Mon Dec 4 00:16:50 2017
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    On 12/3/2017 10:10 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovt03e$ng0$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business >> being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?  Because the Muslims in Bosnia
    aren't > invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original
    inhabitants who took > up the religion during the Ottoman era, which
    lasted about 400 years.

    They were ousted you idiot.

    The Ottomans left, the Bosnians remained.

    I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia

    The Moors left, the Spanish Muslims, like the Jews, were "encouraged" to convert to Christianity, or leave.

    They were expelled by King Fernand and Queen Isabella's army. Roughly
    1480AD.

    and Sicily also.

    The Arabs left, but the locals converted, with most of the small remnant Muslim population deported, about 150 years after the Norman conquest.

    I know that you're shocked that the Muslim inhabitants of 19th century
    Bosnia were treated differently than in 15th century Spain and 11th
    century Sicily.

    So..not only are you a radical Liberal, but also a radical Muslim that
    hasn't a clue of real European History.


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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Mon Dec 4 02:09:38 2017
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    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:18:57 -0600, PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote:

    On 12/3/2017 6:24 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:25:18 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" <none@present.com>
    wrote:

    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no business >>>> being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took up >>> the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Ayup. Much like Southern Babtists in the deep south. Came on the
    Mayflower and changed to Babtists shortly after.

    Totally wrong... Iberia and Sicily were taken by Muslim Conquest.

    Iberia and Sicily are Babtist? And they were delivered on the
    Mayflower to Barcelona?



    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians to >>>> placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your brain.

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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Mon Dec 4 02:07:39 2017
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    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:11:40 -0600, PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote:

    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?  Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't >>>> invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took >>>> up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia
    and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real History. >>>>
    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians >>>>> to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your
    brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his dick >>> with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these gentle >>> Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    Much of what is called Europe were of Celtic religious belief. The Scots/Irish held it the longest....it was farthest from Rome.




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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Mon Dec 4 07:42:30 2017
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    On 12/04/2017 03:07 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    Much of what is called Europe were of Celtic religious belief. The Scots/Irish held it the longest....it was farthest from Rome.

    And the expanding Germanic tribes. If the Celts of the third century
    were around they would be bitching about the influx of Teutons ruining
    their civilization.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Mon Dec 4 07:40:16 2017
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    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't >>>> invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took >>>> up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia
    and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real
    History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians >>>>> to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your
    brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his dick >>> with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these gentle >>> Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria
    that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts
    were formed during the La Tène. At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman
    empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns pushed
    them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and Bretagne.

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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Dec 4 09:10:16 2017
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    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:42:30 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/04/2017 03:07 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    Much of what is called Europe were of Celtic religious belief. The
    Scots/Irish held it the longest....it was farthest from Rome.

    And the expanding Germanic tribes. If the Celts of the third century
    were around they would be bitching about the influx of Teutons ruining
    their civilization.


    The Teutons were Celtic as well.

    Remember..it was only a religion...not a race.



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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Dec 4 09:11:06 2017
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    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:40:16 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't >>>>> invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took >>>>> up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real
    History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians >>>>>> to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his dick >>>> with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were >>>> over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these gentle >>>> Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria
    that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts
    were formed during the La Tčne. At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman >empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns pushed
    them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and Bretagne.

    Well researched!!

    Bravo!!


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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Mon Dec 4 15:10:50 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/04/2017 10:10 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:42:30 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/04/2017 03:07 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    Much of what is called Europe were of Celtic religious belief. The
    Scots/Irish held it the longest....it was farthest from Rome.

    And the expanding Germanic tribes. If the Celts of the third century
    were around they would be bitching about the influx of Teutons ruining
    their civilization.


    The Teutons were Celtic as well.

    Remember..it was only a religion...not a race.

    There were also linguistic and cultural differences. This is a detailed account:

    http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianGermanics.htm

    There are a lot of Just So stories but there are also some interesting
    genetic observations. The Y chromosome haplogroup I1-M253 is thought to
    have originated in Europe and today is most prevalent in the
    Scandinavian countries. R1b is more prevalent in western Europe, and R1a
    in eastern Europe. That does seem to fit in with the theory of a Gothic homeland in southern Sweden and Jutland from which the tribes spread
    into the rest of Europe.

    The Vikings got around as did I1 but looking at the map of present day concentrations it moved out from the north. How that fits in with the
    Aesir and Vanir legends is guesswork.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Dec 4 23:12:51 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/4/2017 8:40 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?  Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't >>>>> invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who
    took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real
    History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the
    civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his
    dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were >>>> over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these
    gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria
    that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts
    were formed during the La Tène.  At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns pushed
    them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and Bretagne.

    All of that is a given. But!!!! That was long before the 12 or 13th
    Century. The Real damage was done after WWII. The Balkans are always contentious. Or did you forget WWI? and earlier? Also a small percentage
    of Scots/Irish were Druidic and died out pretty fast among a no nonsense population.




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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Mon Dec 4 23:07:09 2017
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    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/4/2017 4:07 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:11:40 -0600, PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote:

    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper"  wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be?  Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't >>>>> invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took >>>>> up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real History. >>>>>
    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the civilians >>>>>> to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his dick >>>> with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and were >>>> over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these gentle >>>> Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    Much of what is called Europe were of Celtic religious belief. The Scots/Irish held it the longest....it was farthest from Rome.

    State the years and you will have proven my point.




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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Tue Dec 5 09:38:49 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/04/2017 10:12 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/4/2017 8:40 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no
    business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia
    aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who >>>>>> took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real
    History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the
    civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his
    dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and
    were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these
    gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity.

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria
    that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts
    were formed during the La Tène. At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman
    empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns
    pushed them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and
    Bretagne.

    All of that is a given. But!!!! That was long before the 12 or 13th
    Century. The Real damage was done after WWII. The Balkans are always contentious. Or did you forget WWI? and earlier? Also a small percentage
    of Scots/Irish were Druidic and died out pretty fast among a no nonsense population.


    What a glorious non sequitur. To refresh your memory:

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    Were the Bosnians not originally Celts? Were they not polytheistic?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEt2XdN_TbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixg9Xdiyvks

    Serbs play Celtic music. QED

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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Dec 5 10:56:27 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:38:49 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/04/2017 10:12 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/4/2017 8:40 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no >>>>>>>> business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia
    aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who >>>>>>> took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real
    History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the
    civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his >>>>>> dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and >>>>>> were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these
    gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity. >>>>>
    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria
    that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts
    were formed during the La Tčne. At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman
    empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns
    pushed them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and
    Bretagne.

    All of that is a given. But!!!! That was long before the 12 or 13th
    Century. The Real damage was done after WWII. The Balkans are always
    contentious. Or did you forget WWI? and earlier? Also a small percentage
    of Scots/Irish were Druidic and died out pretty fast among a no nonsense
    population.


    What a glorious non sequitur. To refresh your memory:

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    Were the Bosnians not originally Celts? Were they not polytheistic?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEt2XdN_TbQ >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixg9Xdiyvks

    Serbs play Celtic music. QED

    Germans too!!

    One of my favorite videos btw....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNNmZFhCvH4


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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Dec 5 12:25:45 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:38:49 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/04/2017 10:12 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/4/2017 8:40 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no >>>>>>>> business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia
    aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who >>>>>>> took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real
    History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the
    civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his >>>>>> dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and >>>>>> were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these
    gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity. >>>>>
    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria
    that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts
    were formed during the La Tčne. At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman
    empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns
    pushed them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and
    Bretagne.

    All of that is a given. But!!!! That was long before the 12 or 13th
    Century. The Real damage was done after WWII. The Balkans are always
    contentious. Or did you forget WWI? and earlier? Also a small percentage
    of Scots/Irish were Druidic and died out pretty fast among a no nonsense
    population.


    What a glorious non sequitur. To refresh your memory:

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    Were the Bosnians not originally Celts? Were they not polytheistic?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEt2XdN_TbQ >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixg9Xdiyvks

    Serbs play Celtic music. QED


    videos on my play list...

    Great harp rock..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPb20fK0R94

    Great Cello Rock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfGggAGITwg

    Rock Electric Violin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvipPYFebWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrutzRWXkKs

    Electric Indian Flute
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93wGaGFUnTs

    War music...several hours of the best....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMQ8sSvqphg&list=RDLMQ8sSvqphg#t=94


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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Tue Dec 5 18:02:26 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/05/2017 11:56 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:38:49 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/04/2017 10:12 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/4/2017 8:40 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me...

    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no >>>>>>>>> business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia >>>>>>>> aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who >>>>>>>> took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>>>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real >>>>>>> History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the >>>>>>>>> civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his >>>>>>> dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and >>>>>>> were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these >>>>>>> gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity. >>>>>>
    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria
    that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts >>>> were formed during the La Tčne. At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman
    empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns
    pushed them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and
    Bretagne.

    All of that is a given. But!!!! That was long before the 12 or 13th
    Century. The Real damage was done after WWII. The Balkans are always
    contentious. Or did you forget WWI? and earlier? Also a small percentage >>> of Scots/Irish were Druidic and died out pretty fast among a no nonsense >>> population.


    What a glorious non sequitur. To refresh your memory:

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    Were the Bosnians not originally Celts? Were they not polytheistic?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEt2XdN_TbQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixg9Xdiyvks

    Serbs play Celtic music. QED

    Germans too!!

    One of my favorite videos btw....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNNmZFhCvH4

    The man knows his way around the uilleann pipes, that's for sure. Life's
    too short for me too mess with them -- I'll stick to the Irish flute and
    tin whistle. He even throws in a little of what looks looks a low D
    whistle too.

    Nightwish are Finns, btw. Now there's a completely different linguistic, cultural, and genetic group. Ukko is the functional equivalent of Donar
    but not too much else of the Kalevala lines up with the Norse/Germanic
    texts. The Finns managed to hold out to the 13th century before the
    Northern Crusades got to them.

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  • From Gunner Asch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Dec 5 17:48:40 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:02:26 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/05/2017 11:56 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:38:49 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 12/04/2017 10:12 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/4/2017 8:40 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/03/2017 11:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    On 12/3/2017 6:27 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:36:51 -0600, Leper <Leper@MolokaiColony.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 12/1/2017 7:25 AM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Leper" wrote in message news:ovqpf7$pdb$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>>>>>
    So when do they start arresting and trying Muslims that had no >>>>>>>>>> business being there in the first place?

    And which Muslims would they be? Because the Muslims in Bosnia >>>>>>>>> aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who >>>>>>>>> took
    up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years. >>>>>>>>
    They were ousted you idiot. I suppose you think the Muzzies own Iberia >>>>>>>> and Sicily also. You are such an Ignoramus when it comes to real >>>>>>>> History.

    Maybe Billy Bob Klinton should be tried also for bombing the >>>>>>>>>> civilians
    to placate his favorite Muslims?

    "Leper" is an appropriate name ... pity that the rot has reached your >>>>>>>>> brain.

    Actually it is representative of what a man can get if you suck his >>>>>>>> dick
    with your diseased mouth. The original Bosnians were Christian and >>>>>>>> were
    over run for that trait alone. Butchered and slaughtered by these >>>>>>>> gentle
    Muzzie thugs. Now fuck off before you display all of your stupidity. >>>>>>>
    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    The Celts are usually associated with the Halstatt culture in Austria >>>>> that spread throughout most of Europe. The theory is the Insular Celts >>>>> were formed during the La Tčne. At the height of the expansion the
    Celts crossed the Alpines and kicked Roman ass (long before the Roman >>>>> empire). The Völkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes and the Huns
    pushed them out of Europe, leaving them in the British Isles and
    Bretagne.

    All of that is a given. But!!!! That was long before the 12 or 13th
    Century. The Real damage was done after WWII. The Balkans are always
    contentious. Or did you forget WWI? and earlier? Also a small percentage >>>> of Scots/Irish were Druidic and died out pretty fast among a no nonsense >>>> population.


    What a glorious non sequitur. To refresh your memory:

    Actually..the origianal Bosnian religion was Celtic polytheism.

    Scots/Irish ? Nope...But they were pagans 1000 years and more ago.

    Were the Bosnians not originally Celts? Were they not polytheistic?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEt2XdN_TbQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixg9Xdiyvks

    Serbs play Celtic music. QED

    Germans too!!

    One of my favorite videos btw....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNNmZFhCvH4

    The man knows his way around the uilleann pipes, that's for sure. Life's
    too short for me too mess with them -- I'll stick to the Irish flute and
    tin whistle. He even throws in a little of what looks looks a low D
    whistle too.

    Nightwish are Finns, btw. Now there's a completely different linguistic, >cultural, and genetic group. Ukko is the functional equivalent of Donar
    but not too much else of the Kalevala lines up with the Norse/Germanic
    texts. The Finns managed to hold out to the 13th century before the
    Northern Crusades got to them.

    Lähes kaikki, mutta ei kaikki suomalaiset muunnettu, vanha uskonto on
    vielä olemassa.


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  • From Winston_Smith@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Tue Dec 5 20:33:36 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:25:18 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" wrote:

    Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't
    invaders, or descendants of invaders, but original inhabitants who took up >the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Willingly? Or given the choice of convert or die?

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Gunner Asch on Tue Dec 5 20:40:14 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/05/2017 06:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
    Lähes kaikki, mutta ei kaikki suomalaiset muunnettu, vanha uskonto on
    vielä olemassa.

    Not all of us western Europeans bought into the White Christ either
    although the Christians did their best. They failed badly on the
    upcoming Jul season and the main event in the Spring.

    Russell's 'The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity' details the
    little tweaks it took to sell a mid-eastern religion. Murphy's 'Tree of Salvation: Yggdrasil and the Cross in the North' is more concerned with
    the physical artifacts. Heathen symbolism has the strangest way of
    winding up in church design, religious art, crosses and so forth.

    I was curious about the Arrow Cross on the guitar player's jacket. Maybe
    just a kool patch he found someplace...

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  • From M.I.Wakefield@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 5 22:57:31 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    "Winston_Smith" wrote in message news:m6pe2d1vtkl40j8584uti63r3uupugbbl9@4ax.com...

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:25:18 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" wrote:

    Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't invaders, or descendants of
    invaders, but original inhabitants who took up the religion during the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Willingly? Or given the choice of convert or die?

    Willingly, apparently.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

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  • From Winston_Smith@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Tue Dec 5 20:37:01 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:18:57 -0600, PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote:

    Totally wrong... Iberia and Sicily were taken by Muslim Conquest.

    Were Iberia and Sicily part of Bosnia at the time?

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  • From Honey Wagon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 6 20:56:45 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 05 Dec 2017, "M.I.Wakefield" <none@present.com> posted some news:p07prf$enn$1@dont-email.me:

    "Winston_Smith" wrote in message news:m6pe2d1vtkl40j8584uti63r3uupugbbl9@4ax.com...

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:25:18 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" wrote:

    Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't invaders, or descendants of
    invaders, but original inhabitants who took up the religion during
    the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Willingly? Or given the choice of convert or die?

    Willingly, apparently.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

    There's a difference. Learn it.

    Dodik warns about "Islamization" of Bosnia

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2013&mm=11&dd=01&nav_id=88205

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  • From M.I.Wakefield@21:1/5 to Honey Wagon on Wed Dec 6 18:07:58 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    "Honey Wagon" wrote in message news:XnsA84383C869F651B77E@0.0.0.1...

    Dodik warns about "Islamization" of Bosnia

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2013&mm=11&dd=01&nav_id=88205

    These are the people who ran a campaign of genocide against their
    neighbours; I'm going to ignore them, and you probably should too.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 6 18:38:34 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/5/2017 9:37 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:18:57 -0600, PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote:

    Totally wrong... Iberia and Sicily were taken by Muslim Conquest.

    Were Iberia and Sicily part of Bosnia at the time?

    If it blows up your skirt and makes you happy...We can claim that.
    Otherwise no! And Bosnia was not part of Scotland or Ireland either.



    --
    It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
    the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
    ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Honey Wagon on Wed Dec 6 18:41:33 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/6/2017 2:56 PM, Honey Wagon wrote:
    On 05 Dec 2017, "M.I.Wakefield" <none@present.com> posted some news:p07prf$enn$1@dont-email.me:

    "Winston_Smith" wrote in message
    news:m6pe2d1vtkl40j8584uti63r3uupugbbl9@4ax.com...

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:25:18 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" wrote:

    Because the Muslims in Bosnia aren't invaders, or descendants of
    invaders, but original inhabitants who took up the religion during
    the Ottoman era, which lasted about 400 years.

    Willingly? Or given the choice of convert or die?

    Willingly, apparently.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

    There's a difference. Learn it.

    Dodik warns about "Islamization" of Bosnia

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2013&mm=11&dd=01&nav_id=88205

    Here is part of the clear text:

    Dodik warns about "Islamization" of Bosnia

    Work is underway in Bosnia to "Islamize" its society, says Milorad
    Dodik, the president of the Serb entity in that country, the RS.
    Source: Blic Friday, November 1, 2013 | 12:50

    There are serious projects to bring in between 300,000 and 500,000 Arabs
    to Bosnia "from the Islamic world," he told the Belgrade-based daily Blic.

    "There is an exact plan and the lowest class (of society) would arrive
    from the Arab world," Dodik asserted. He said that "the project of
    Islamization of Bosnia-Herzegovina" was led by Bakir Izetbegović, the
    Bosniak member of the country's presidency.

    "Kuwait alone has paid for 30,000 apartments in Sarajevo, and that's
    100,000 people," Dodik said, adding that he was "not surprised by the statements made by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan that
    'Kosovo and Turkey, and Turkey Kosovo'."

    "When he was in Sarajevo he said that that Sarajevo was Turkey, and
    Turkey Sarajevo. When we communicated this to the former Serbian
    leadership, they just looked at us silently. Well, we have been battling
    Turkey and its policies for five years. Now, everything is being
    revealed. Until recently there was no understanding when it comes to
    this, not even in Serbia," Dodik was quoted as saying.

    The RS president added that he was "regularly in contact" with Serbian
    Deputy PM Aleksandar Vučić in order to "exchange views on all important issues."

    "Certainly in the past there have been some things, and then we sat down
    and cleared up these things. They haven't been gentle with Milorad Dodik
    in the past, either. As responsible people, we think we should work
    together for the benefit of both countries, and that is what we are
    doing. We do it in a manner that is of higher quality than in the past,"
    said Dodik.



    --
    It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
    the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
    ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Wed Dec 6 18:45:13 2017
    XPost: alt.politics, sac.politics, alt.survival
    XPost: soc.retirement

    On 12/6/2017 5:07 PM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Honey Wagon"  wrote in message news:XnsA84383C869F651B77E@0.0.0.1...

    Dodik warns about "Islamization" of Bosnia

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2013&mm=11&dd=01&nav_id=88205

    These are the people who ran a campaign of genocide against their
    neighbours; I'm going to ignore them, and you probably should too.

    Well old Sot: That so-called genocide was the other way around after
    WWII and the Creeping and galloping Islamic hoards do not plan on
    stopping in Bosnia. We need the Mongols(Temporarily) back to put these
    asshole and you in their place

    Read this again:

    Dodik warns about "Islamization" of Bosnia

    Work is underway in Bosnia to "Islamize" its society, says Milorad
    Dodik, the president of the Serb entity in that country, the RS.
    Source: Blic Friday, November 1, 2013 | 12:50

    There are serious projects to bring in between 300,000 and 500,000 Arabs
    to Bosnia "from the Islamic world," he told the Belgrade-based daily Blic.

    "There is an exact plan and the lowest class (of society) would arrive
    from the Arab world," Dodik asserted. He said that "the project of
    Islamization of Bosnia-Herzegovina" was led by Bakir Izetbegović, the
    Bosniak member of the country's presidency.

    "Kuwait alone has paid for 30,000 apartments in Sarajevo, and that's
    100,000 people," Dodik said, adding that he was "not surprised by the statements made by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan that
    'Kosovo and Turkey, and Turkey Kosovo'."

    "When he was in Sarajevo he said that that Sarajevo was Turkey, and
    Turkey Sarajevo. When we communicated this to the former Serbian
    leadership, they just looked at us silently. Well, we have been battling
    Turkey and its policies for five years. Now, everything is being
    revealed. Until recently there was no understanding when it comes to
    this, not even in Serbia," Dodik was quoted as saying.

    The RS president added that he was "regularly in contact" with Serbian
    Deputy PM Aleksandar Vučić in order to "exchange views on all important issues."

    "Certainly in the past there have been some things, and then we sat down
    and cleared up these things. They haven't been gentle with Milorad Dodik
    in the past, either. As responsible people, we think we should work
    together for the benefit of both countries, and that is what we are
    doing. We do it in a manner that is of higher quality than in the past,"
    said Dodik.


    --
    It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
    the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
    ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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