A. Filip, <news:anfi+fwiteqf62f-g3g3@wp.eu>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
At the post-war Nuremberg trials the Waffen-SS was
condemned as a criminal organisation due to its
connection to the Nazi Party and involvement in numerous
war crimes. Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the
rights afforded to veterans who had served in the Heer
(army), Luftwaffe (air force) or Kriegsmarine (navy). An
exception was made for Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in
after 1943, who were exempted because of their
involuntary servitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion
German occupation authorities in Latvia started
conscripting military age men. Draftees were given a
choice between serving in the Waffen-SS Legions, serving
as (German Wehrmacht) auxiliaries, or being sent to a
slave labour camp in Germany. Those who tried to avoid
one of those options were arrested and sent to
concentration camps.[10] As a result, only 15-20% of the
soldiers serving in the legion were actual
volunteers.[6]
If they crave to manifest a pride of their Waffen-SS-ness today
voluntary then the reference to involuntary conscription is irrelevant regardless of whether it was really involuntary or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
At the post-war Nuremberg trials the Waffen-SS was
condemned as a criminal organisation due to its
connection to the Nazi Party and involvement in numerous
war crimes. Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the
rights afforded to veterans who had served in the Heer
(army), Luftwaffe (air force) or Kriegsmarine (navy). An
exception was made for Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in
after 1943, who were exempted because of their
involuntary servitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion
German occupation authorities in Latvia started
conscripting military age men. Draftees were given a
choice between serving in the Waffen-SS Legions, serving
as (German Wehrmacht) auxiliaries, or being sent to a
slave labour camp in Germany. Those who tried to avoid
one of those options were arrested and sent to
concentration camps.[10] As a result, only 15-20% of the
soldiers serving in the legion were actual
volunteers.[6]
"Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
A. Filip, <news:anfi+fwiteqf62f-g3g3@wp.eu>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
At the post-war Nuremberg trials the Waffen-SS was
condemned as a criminal organisation due to its
connection to the Nazi Party and involvement in numerous
war crimes. Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the
rights afforded to veterans who had served in the Heer
(army), Luftwaffe (air force) or Kriegsmarine (navy). An
exception was made for Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in
after 1943, who were exempted because of their
involuntary servitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion
German occupation authorities in Latvia started
conscripting military age men. Draftees were given a
choice between serving in the Waffen-SS Legions, serving
as (German Wehrmacht) auxiliaries, or being sent to a
slave labour camp in Germany. Those who tried to avoid
one of those options were arrested and sent to
concentration camps.[10] As a result, only 15-20% of the
soldiers serving in the legion were actual
volunteers.[6]
If they crave to manifest a pride of their
Waffen-SS-ness today voluntary then the reference to
involuntary conscription is irrelevant regardless of
whether it was really involuntary or not.
It is irrelevant *for you* .
It is quite important for
me, even if it is not the most important for judging
"manifesting a pride of their Waffen-SS-ness _today_ ".
Soviet/Russian "take over" in 1940 seems to make
difference *for many Latvians*. Their "sitting point" is
different, is not it?
A. Filip, <news:anfi+y9biroiuyf-g3h4@wp.eu>
"Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
A. Filip, <news:anfi+fwiteqf62f-g3g3@wp.eu>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
At the post-war Nuremberg trials the Waffen-SS was
condemned as a criminal organisation due to its
connection to the Nazi Party and involvement in numerous
war crimes. Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the
rights afforded to veterans who had served in the Heer
(army), Luftwaffe (air force) or Kriegsmarine (navy). An
exception was made for Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in
after 1943, who were exempted because of their
involuntary servitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion
German occupation authorities in Latvia started
conscripting military age men. Draftees were given a
choice between serving in the Waffen-SS Legions, serving
as (German Wehrmacht) auxiliaries, or being sent to a
slave labour camp in Germany. Those who tried to avoid
one of those options were arrested and sent to
concentration camps.[10] As a result, only 15-20% of the
soldiers serving in the legion were actual
volunteers.[6]
If they crave to manifest a pride of their
Waffen-SS-ness today voluntary then the reference to
involuntary conscription is irrelevant regardless of
whether it was really involuntary or not.
It is irrelevant *for you* .
No, it's just logically irrelevant.
It is quite important for
me, even if it is not the most important for judging
"manifesting a pride of their Waffen-SS-ness _today_ ".
Soviet/Russian "take over" in 1940 seems to make
difference *for many Latvians*. Their "sitting point" is
different, is not it?
You seem to not quite understand what you want.
"Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
A. Filip, <news:anfi+y9biroiuyf-g3h4@wp.eu>
"Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
A. Filip, <news:anfi+fwiteqf62f-g3g3@wp.eu>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
At the post-war Nuremberg trials the Waffen-SS was
condemned as a criminal organisation due to its
connection to the Nazi Party and involvement in
numerous war crimes. Waffen-SS veterans were denied
many of the rights afforded to veterans who had
served in the Heer (army), Luftwaffe (air force) or
Kriegsmarine (navy). An exception was made for
Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in after 1943, who were
exempted because of their involuntary servitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion
German occupation authorities in Latvia started
conscripting military age men. Draftees were given a
choice between serving in the Waffen-SS Legions,
serving as (German Wehrmacht) auxiliaries, or being
sent to a slave labour camp in Germany. Those who
tried to avoid one of those options were arrested and
sent to concentration camps.[10] As a result, only
15-20% of the soldiers serving in the legion were
actual volunteers.[6]
If they crave to manifest a pride of their
Waffen-SS-ness today voluntary then the reference to
involuntary conscription is irrelevant regardless of
whether it was really involuntary or not.
It is irrelevant *for you* .
No, it's just logically irrelevant.
It is quite important for
me, even if it is not the most important for judging
"manifesting a pride of their Waffen-SS-ness _today_ ".
Soviet/Russian "take over" in 1940 seems to make
difference *for many Latvians*. Their "sitting point"
is different, is not it?
You seem to not quite understand what you want.
I merely wanted to show that "supporting Russian/Putin
stance" is not _always_ unquestionably bad. Do you want
me to see my _huge_ mistake? ;-)
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