• Of Degrees and Mojo Envy- response to Charles Maduka (JD)!

    From goziri543@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Iselle Obikpani on Thu Nov 22 16:56:53 2018
    On Friday, December 21, 2001 at 2:29:40 PM UTC-5, Iselle Obikpani wrote:
    Charles Maduka, J.D, (or Esq),

    For you to come here and FALSELY assert that a "JD" is
    the equivalence of a "Ph.D" shows not only an acute
    level of wickedness in you. It also shows that you are
    a very disingeneous person. For you to insult Ph.D
    holders on this forum by equating it with a JD is the
    lowest thing you could do to your sanity. It is very
    nauseating to here someone (a failed attorney for that
    matter) to shamelessly lie that a JD is comparable to
    a "Ph.D." Only an Igbo man will lie this way. No
    wonder, other Nigerians do not take us seriously.
    You were here when the Dean of a reputable law


    The writer of this article seems to have so much HATE in his heart. Why? Are there not professional body

    in charge of accreditations? Why do we allow HATE to consume our minds? What is the writer's goal for

    writing this? Anyone would think that its the business of Federal register to foresee illegalities Not an

    individual. Unanimous.




    school in this country resolved that question. He
    pointed out that there is no comparison between a Ph.D
    and a JD, and that it was like comparing "apples" and
    "oranges." As he indicated and as you well know, a
    Ph.D involves a much more higher level of academic
    rigour, course work, and dissertation. None of this is
    involved in a JD. To get a JD, you only need to
    complete about 30-40 pages of written case work beyond
    the regular bachelors, and which is basically done
    within a month !!
    Charles Maduka, you are the only person in this
    world who would attempt to compare a JD with a "Ph.D"
    or "doctorate," and for you coming from Amichi, I am
    not surprised. Why are you denying the information
    provided by Bolaji Aluko? It was not his personal
    information and he only reported it as it was cited in
    the George Washington University Law School website.
    Why don't you check out that website and see what it
    says about JDs? Are you afraid you would be
    disappointed in your false ego? Do you think that you
    can simply run away from this true fact by attacking
    Aluko's personality? Your lousy trick will not work
    here.
    Yes, the name "Juris Doctor" may be confusing,
    but it is a known fact that it never translates into a
    "doctorate" degree. Academic professors have always
    made it a point to affirm the crucial difference
    between a lesser law degree and the quite rigorous
    academic demands of a doctorate. JDs are addressed as
    "Esq" or as "Attorney." Almost 90% of the US congress
    are JDs, but they all know that to even attempt to
    address themselves as "drs" will incure a heavy amount
    of opprobrium from their professional colleagues and
    the wider academic community. They dont.
    Charles, there are simple facts that I will like
    to point out again. A JD does not in any shape of form
    entitle you to a "doctorate." You are being quite
    dishonest if you address yourself as such, even if you
    go to Nigeria. The last time you were in Nigeria, you
    made it a point that the people you meet view and
    address you as a "dr." You are impersonating what you
    are not, and the guilt remains with you in the back of
    your head as a constant reminder. Charles Maduka, you
    are not a "dr," and you should not dubiously address
    yourself as such. You cannot make your own rules and
    live by it alone. If you want to be considered as a
    "Dr," then go and acquires a "doctorate."
    But if you chose to continue in your hidden
    fallacy, then all we can do is to "laugh" at you in
    silence, and to let you make a fool of yourself
    anytime you address yourself as "dr." As for Ken
    Okorie, he already knows that he does not have a
    "doctorate" degree, he cannot address himself as a
    "Dr," no matter how hard he tries to lie,cheat,
    deceive, and conflate issues. I will simply leave him
    to dwell in his self-imposed agony. If he wants to be
    taken seriously, he should go back to school and get
    an LL.D, or perhaps a "Ph.D" in Sacred Literature
    (whatever that means or wherever it is done). No one
    can just come up here and lie their way through
    without merit.

    Shame on you, Charles Maduka (JD), for teaching your
    kids how to lie and cheat without achieving anything
    of merit.

    Obi.

    Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:01:37 -0800
    From: Charles U. Maduka <zuzugbe1@attbi.com>
    Reply-To: igbo_forum@yahoogroups.com
    To: igbo_forum@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [IGBO_FORUM] Re: Of Degrees and Mojo
    Envy- response to Ugorji
    and Obi (fwd)

    Mazi Obi,
    I hold a Juris Doctor (JD) from Texas. I do agree
    that Igbo people are more
    eager to append a title by their name including JD
    or Dr. May be it is our
    culture or tradition, whichever one applies. Ken
    Okorie may answer this
    question, tradition or culture. I must caution you
    that Aluko is not an
    authority on this issue and he can never be.

    In 1984, one Ojay Grace, another JD in Houston
    petitioned the Attorney
    General of Texas on the issue for an opinion. I
    will
    try to secure a copy of
    that opinion for you. I am sure Ojay saved it.
    According to the then
    Attorney General, Mattox, JD is equivalent to Ph.D
    and any JD holder may
    append the Dr. to his or her name. Unfortunately,
    such is not the practice
    among Americans and hence anyone that does so in
    America will get queries
    like, "what kind of medicine do you practice?"

    If you believe that an American JD is the same as
    a
    Masters Degree, you need
    to read one. May be you don't know the difference
    between a JD and a
    Nigerian barrister. There is a world of difference
    and I can not begin to
    educate you on that.

    There are some that make conscious efforts to
    demand
    that they be addressed
    as Dr. We should be mindful of anybody who will
    not
    attend or answer to a
    call because they are not addressed the way they
    want to be addressed. Try
    to address a member of Nigerian House without
    using
    the word Honorable or a
    Governor without the Excellency. This one cuts
    across ethnic boundaries. The
    paid aides will make sure you pay for such miscue.

    I hope I am not sensing a Ph.D in you. Call me
    whatever you want, I will
    answer you and do my best. Dr. will not get you a
    penny more. A JD calling
    himself a Dr. is better than the one procured
    through correspondence. After
    all, is the name not Juris Doctor? Why has the
    Education Department not
    changed the name? Why have the Universities
    continued to use it knowing that
    people get confused about it? That was what
    prompted
    Ojay Grace to petition
    the Texas Attorney General in 1984. My friend
    lawyers are a hated bunch and
    that program will not be changed from what it is
    because of you and Aluko.

    Ojay, if you are logged on this forum, pick it up
    from here.


    Charles U. Maduka

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    Subject: [IGBO_FORUM] Re: Of Degrees and Mojo
    Envy-
    response to Ugorji and
    Obi (fwd)



    Collins O' Kehie, a.k.a, Chidindu,

    You lie through your teeth!!
    Where have you been? We have all gone through
    this
    road before and this matter was long settled.
    Why
    do
    you want to spew cassava water on a sleeping
    cat?

    It is indeed very shameful that a failed lawyer
    of
    your calibre would stoop so low to embrace lies
    and
    fraud.
    There is no law school in this country that
    considers
    a JD a terminal degree or a "doctorate." Shame
    on
    those
    attorneys in Dallas and Houston who have
    perfected
    the
    art of deceit by clowning around with a "title"
    they
    did not earn. Please read the mail below and you
    will
    see the information provided to this net on this
    matter
    (from George Washington University Law School),
    provided by Bolaji Aluko. After reading that,
    and
    if
    you still believe in your criminal mind that a
    "JD" is
    a "doctorate," then you need to go to an asylum
    to
    seek help.

    I am sorry that if by divulging this, I may end
    up
    ressurecting old wounds, thereby deflatiung some
    once
    bloated egos. But if the "truth" must be told,
    it
    has
    to be told even for a thousand times. We have
    gone
    through this before, and even the Dean of a
    reputable
    law school in this country pointed out that it
    was
    sheer "academy dishonesty" and "prosecutable
    fraud"
    for a JD to pass himself off as a "doctorate" or
    even
    as a terminal degree in law. A "terminal" degree
    in
    law is LL.D. Also, if you go through the mail
    below,
    you will find out more on this JD issue. In
    fact,
    many
    law schools in the United States will revoke a
    JD's
    certificate if he is caught impersonating
    himself
    as a
    "doctorate" in law. I know that the criminal
    minds
    of
    some low-life Nigerian lawyers will not allow
    them
    to
    see this reality. It is just titles upon titles,
    no
    matter how crooked it looks. There is no known
    Yoruba
    lawyer or any other ethnic group in Nigeria (at
    least
    that I know) who is a JD but also passes himself
    off
    as a "dr." Only some dubious Igbo 419ers do so.
    They
    will be stopped.

    I find it hard to believe that some Igbos like
    Collins
    O' Kehie (Chidindu) would not be content with
    the
    truth, but instead, prefer to dwell in the world
    of
    deceit, lies, cheats, and evil. Yet he calls
    himself a

    "senior" attorney --without moral and decent
    scrupples.

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