• "How could peace (as described in Isa 2:4) come true?"

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 26 10:13:16 2024
    title: Jesus Said What the True Messiah Will Never Say!
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io3jlRJDdHA
    source: Rabbi Tovia Singer

    Someone¹ wrote a comment (western idolator):

    How could peace (as described in Isa 2:4) come true?
    (…)
    1. The Messiah could take away the free will of mankind and command
    all of us to be peaceful.
    2. The Messiah could kill all evil people and/or forcefully suppress
    every action that could disturb the peace.
    (…)
    3. The Messiah could demand everybody to be peaceful at any cost
    and everybody will follow him voluntarily.
    (…)
    4. The Messiah could separate the good persons who love peace
    voluntarily at any cost from the evil persons who don’t and
    prohibit access of the evil ones to the peaceful people.

    End quote.

    You ascribe god powers to 'moshiach', but all power is with heaven,
    HKB'H, and not with humans. If the Creator decides to take away the
    free will of mankind to choose war or peace, good or evil, is perhaps
    what you meant. The solution on this front I theorize: if you wanted
    good people only on Earth, but free people at the same time, you can
    allow for a time to allow everyone to make their own choices, without
    knowing who would in the end live or die, be happy or not. Then when
    you have enough good people, you kill everyone else. Free will is then preserved, and all people are good. Good people do not want to be evil,
    but regard evil as stupidity, or a youthful mistake maybe. Good people
    _want_ to be good, just like evil people want to be evil. This is how
    the free will issue can be solved, but I now wrote to "kill" but it is
    easier than that. HKB'H can also just wait until bad people have died,
    or even everyone who is not good, and then never send them back to Earth,
    or even terminate their soul. How do we know who is being born ? This
    is not a power we have, but it is an all encompassing power. Heaven can
    control the whole world, just by determining who will be born. It is
    that simple. We would never even see anything, except that eventually
    everyone is good. I guess there is a problem with if you have _enough_
    good people to fill all the babies, but that's so technical an issue,
    and we really don't know anything. The point is, this is a principle
    which can already change the whole world to peace, and you don't even
    need any 'moshiach' for it.

    Then there is the real world human version of peace (I mean, the world
    we know). I think you make a bit of a simple calculation about what peace
    and war is, and what are the causes. People think that the causes are the
    lust for loot, but is that still true ? How many people in the USA Army
    have joined it, because they wanted to loot the Museums of Baghdad, Iraq
    ? Probably not many. On the other hand, the Germans wanted "Lebensraum"
    and slaves, I'll give you that, but why did that come about ? Economic
    crisis of 1924 (hyperinflation), 1929 the Great Depression. Before that:
    World War 1, which ended with labor Revolutions and complete overthrow
    of Governments. I think at least, World War 1 was a war to suppress
    labor. If you are not from Europe, you might relate less to this issue,
    but remember the war was here in our areas. Labor organizations where
    powerful. Why where they powerful: because labor was abused by the owners
    of the factories, the financiers, the bankers. Why could they do that?
    Because the labor came from originally working as servants to farmers,
    but they became obsolete due to the mechanization of farming. What is
    the point of it all, to give this history: one important cause of war,
    is that the ruling class became a filthy rich Plutocratic Oligarchy who
    where parasites upon their people, impoverishing the masses until the
    point of open rebellion. To the point where people hate their lives
    so much, they preferred to fight the gangs of power even if it would
    kill them, and so they did. The super rich know this, and this is one
    big reason they organize wars. It is to burn off excess slaves, and to
    keep the Nation under control.

    There are also other reasons, such as the maintenance of evil on Earth as
    such. How is all this caused then, why do the rich become so evil ? It is because of bad economics. Bad economics tears Nations apart, masses will
    be poor, and the worst people will become super rich. Bad people have
    all the power, and that is a recipe for war. This is happening all the
    time, probably everywhere or almost everywhere. These bad people also
    have a lot to fear from peace and long term peace, because they know
    what they did and what they are. They need to keep the pot boiling, and
    maybe they can get a Tyranny out of it, so that they can just ... will,
    kill all the Jews, basically. Kill everyone who might call for Justice,
    so that they may rule a thousand years of darkness (or just another day).

    How does the Redemption of Israel fix these issues ? I don't know if
    it can fix *all* issues in this regards, but the Torah has a correct
    economic system, where everyone has their land. This is very important
    for an economy. It also remains important for the poor to not become too
    poor, and the rich to not become too rich. If Israel gives the example,
    and the other Nations see it, the other Nations may also fix their
    economies. This could reduce the power of an evil Plutocracy greatly,
    or even entirely remove them. Now you don't have masses of landless
    people without jobs wanting Revolution who get send off to die in some
    invented war, but land owners who are working on their small businesses,
    and some of them are making larger businesses. Not everyone will succeed,
    but a lot of the pressure is taken off.

    There is also another facet to this, which is that technology is
    increasing rapidly, and this is making the bombs far too big. We
    won already, the animals can't touch us anymore. We won, we can stop
    fightng. Animals fight to stay fit, but humans don't fight anymore with
    their hands and teeth, but our power is from our creativity. Creativity is damaged by wars (contrary to what some army propaganda might claim), or
    let's say: useful creativity and the total of creativity and technology,
    is damaged by war, not helped. Eventually if we go on with war with our
    level of technology, we will wipe ourselves out, or worse. Dangerous
    forms of Tyranny become possible.

    It may be that a coming war and Tyranny may be so bad, as to drive
    this point home, and that after such a suffering, the world will be so
    longing for a solution, that finally the Jewish people will return to
    the Torah. A remnant of them will return, the rest will apparently be
    lost forever. A remainder returns, and the rest of the world may be so
    tired from the wars and the evils, they too will choose peace and say:
    _*We will hear, and we will do.*_ (Speedily, in our days ...)

    Notes
    1. I do not attribute these comments here, because sometimes it upsets
    people to see their own names reproduced somewhere that they did not
    expect that to happen, and where they do not have editorial control
    anymore over what they said. However in such cases I would like to
    say to such people, that you should realize that you are publishing
    for all to see, and that you should take enough care to stand by
    what you have written. In any case, it is usually not so hard to
    find the exact source, although google sencorship activities are
    pervasive. Incidentally my comment was also deleted it seems, by
    Google.
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